OT: onsite CF training recommendations
I have recently started a new job with a great company. Some of my team members have come up through the ranks of the company and we would like to get them some solid CF foundation training. We prefer on site. If any of you have had good experiences with a training outfit, please send me their info off list. Thanks!! ~~ Stephenie Hamilton UPS World Wide Logistics Internation Shipment Resolution Application Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=t:4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm?link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Training Recommendations
I've taken a few courses at Learning Tree .. not web developer stuff but Windows 2000 networking/security ... and man, they blitz through the info and you can only absorb a small piece... my impression is they assume a higher level of knowledge than what they're advertised prereq's say.. I'm looking into on-line courses thru University of Maryland for similar stuff ... to go at a slower more effective pace -Original Message- From: Kamie Curfman [mailto:kbcurfman@;yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 12:18 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Training Recommendations My company currently is taking training requests for next year. I've been working with CF and SQL Server for over three years now and although I could always stand to improve in these areas, I'm also looking to branch out. In particular, I think I need to get my feet wet in Java and XML. I don't have an OO background and, thus, was eyeing the Java for Web Developers classes being offered by Figleaf and Hal Helms. For the XML stuff I've been looking mostly at Learning Tree. Any other thoughts out there? I live/work in the DC area and I think my company would prefer local training (they didn't buy the whole "I need to go to Vegas" for Hal's upcoming class). I just spoke with a Figleaf person and have a sense of what they offer. Anything else I should consider? Thanks in advance. Kamie = Kamie Curfman, Web Developer, FGM Inc. 45245 Business Court, Suite 400 Dulles, VA 20166 http://www.fgm.com __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Training Recommendations
My company currently is taking training requests for next year. I've been working with CF and SQL Server for over three years now and although I could always stand to improve in these areas, I'm also looking to branch out. In particular, I think I need to get my feet wet in Java and XML. I don't have an OO background and, thus, was eyeing the Java for Web Developers classes being offered by Figleaf and Hal Helms. For the XML stuff I've been looking mostly at Learning Tree. Any other thoughts out there? I live/work in the DC area and I think my company would prefer local training (they didn't buy the whole "I need to go to Vegas" for Hal's upcoming class). I just spoke with a Figleaf person and have a sense of what they offer. Anything else I should consider? Thanks in advance. Kamie = Kamie Curfman, Web Developer, FGM Inc. 45245 Business Court, Suite 400 Dulles, VA 20166 http://www.fgm.com __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: SOT: Training Recommendations
Hi, ColdFusiontraining.com has a one week class that sounds like it would be exactly what you are looking for. It's called Advanced Development with SQL Server, Oracle, & ColdFusion 5. I've been considering taking it myself (Although I'll probably end up using that money for some self-indulgent reason). Also check your local colleges and you'll probably find a database design class as part of their Computer Science / Information Technology majors. Usually this is a high level course, but as a professional (I.E. someone who gets paid to do stuff like this ) you may be able to sneak in without taking the 4 semesters of pre-requisites. I heard it said (Perhaps on this list? ) that good database skills were more important for ColdFusion development than knowing CFML. At 03:04 PM 09/05/2001 -0700, you wrote: >Hi All - > >I'm hoping someone can recommend some ColdFusion training that focuses >on a variety of topics at the database level, especially including: > > * Database Design Techniques > * Implementing Stored Procedures > * Designing and Using Triggers > * Joins > >I started using ColdFusion on a very casual, teach-myself-as-I-go basis >back when CF3 was the latest and greatest. I am very confident with my >ColdFusion specific skills, but continue to find that my SQL skills (or >lack of) are holding me back. I get especially confused with joins, and >moment I prefer to use the old ANSI 88?? style joins. However, when I >need to do any complex nested joins, I find myself relying on Access's >query builder because I absolutely can't figure out how to write them by >hand. I also have very little knowledge about stored procedures, >triggers, indexes, etc. I've been able to gather that stored procedures >and triggers can make a world of difference performance-wise, and I feel >as-if I'm providing a a great disservice to my customers by not knowing >how to properly evaluate when I should be using implementing >stored-procedures, triggers or whatever. > >Overall, I want to improve my database design and SQL skills, but I want >the information I learn to be delivered in a way so that it's always >relating back to ColdFusion. > >Any suggestions? > >Jay Sudowski >- >Handy Networks LLC >TEL: 877-70-HANDY >FAX: 888-300-2FAX >URL: www.handynetworks.com >- >Providing reseller and dedicated Windows 2000 web hosting solutions. > ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: Training Recommendations
Just take a look at the course itinerary for our Advanced Development with SQL Server, Oracle, and ColdFusion 5 class. There is no other course on earth like it, I promise you. It is EXACTLY what you want. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Productivity Enhancement, Inc. http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 770-446-8866 - Original Message - From: "Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:04 PM Subject: SOT: Training Recommendations > Hi All - > > I'm hoping someone can recommend some ColdFusion training that focuses > on a variety of topics at the database level, especially including: > > * Database Design Techniques > * Implementing Stored Procedures > * Designing and Using Triggers > * Joins > > I started using ColdFusion on a very casual, teach-myself-as-I-go basis > back when CF3 was the latest and greatest. I am very confident with my > ColdFusion specific skills, but continue to find that my SQL skills (or > lack of) are holding me back. I get especially confused with joins, and > moment I prefer to use the old ANSI 88?? style joins. However, when I > need to do any complex nested joins, I find myself relying on Access's > query builder because I absolutely can't figure out how to write them by > hand. I also have very little knowledge about stored procedures, > triggers, indexes, etc. I've been able to gather that stored procedures > and triggers can make a world of difference performance-wise, and I feel > as-if I'm providing a a great disservice to my customers by not knowing > how to properly evaluate when I should be using implementing > stored-procedures, triggers or whatever. > > Overall, I want to improve my database design and SQL skills, but I want > the information I learn to be delivered in a way so that it's always > relating back to ColdFusion. > > Any suggestions? > > Jay Sudowski > - > Handy Networks LLC > TEL: 877-70-HANDY > FAX: 888-300-2FAX > URL: www.handynetworks.com > - > Providing reseller and dedicated Windows 2000 web hosting solutions. > > > ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Training Recommendations
You might check out www.coldfusiontraining.com Adam's got several pretty intensive database classes listed. -Cameron Cameron Childress elliptIQ Inc. p.770.460.1035.232 f.770.460.0963 -- http://www.neighborware.com America's Leading Community Network Software > -Original Message- > From: Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:04 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: SOT: Training Recommendations > > > Hi All - > > I'm hoping someone can recommend some ColdFusion training that focuses > on a variety of topics at the database level, especially including: > > * Database Design Techniques > * Implementing Stored Procedures > * Designing and Using Triggers > * Joins > > I started using ColdFusion on a very casual, teach-myself-as-I-go basis > back when CF3 was the latest and greatest. I am very confident with my > ColdFusion specific skills, but continue to find that my SQL skills (or > lack of) are holding me back. I get especially confused with joins, and > moment I prefer to use the old ANSI 88?? style joins. However, when I > need to do any complex nested joins, I find myself relying on Access's > query builder because I absolutely can't figure out how to write them by > hand. I also have very little knowledge about stored procedures, > triggers, indexes, etc. I've been able to gather that stored procedures > and triggers can make a world of difference performance-wise, and I feel > as-if I'm providing a a great disservice to my customers by not knowing > how to properly evaluate when I should be using implementing > stored-procedures, triggers or whatever. > > Overall, I want to improve my database design and SQL skills, but I want > the information I learn to be delivered in a way so that it's always > relating back to ColdFusion. > > Any suggestions? > > Jay Sudowski > - > Handy Networks LLC > TEL: 877-70-HANDY > FAX: 888-300-2FAX > URL: www.handynetworks.com > - > Providing reseller and dedicated Windows 2000 web hosting solutions. > ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Training Recommendations
Hi Jay, I took a class called Implementing a Database on MS SQL 7.0 with Productivity Point Intl (www.propoint.com). It covered everything you're looking for, and you get to keep the lesson binder. It does not related back to ColdFusion, but I think it's important to learn the ins and outs of SQL and Enterprise Manager apart from ColdFusion as well, since it's usually most efficient to do as much of the database work as possible via views and stored procedures rather than in the ColdFusion code. Marianne Daye Programmer/Analyst Information Delivery Systems (IDS) http://ids.rti.org (919) 541-8031 -Original Message- From: Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Training Recommendations Hi All - I'm hoping someone can recommend some ColdFusion training that focuses on a variety of topics at the database level, especially including: * Database Design Techniques * Implementing Stored Procedures * Designing and Using Triggers * Joins I started using ColdFusion on a very casual, teach-myself-as-I-go basis back when CF3 was the latest and greatest. I am very confident with my ColdFusion specific skills, but continue to find that my SQL skills (or lack of) are holding me back. I get especially confused with joins, and moment I prefer to use the old ANSI 88?? style joins. However, when I need to do any complex nested joins, I find myself relying on Access's query builder because I absolutely can't figure out how to write them by hand. I also have very little knowledge about stored procedures, triggers, indexes, etc. I've been able to gather that stored procedures and triggers can make a world of difference performance-wise, and I feel as-if I'm providing a a great disservice to my customers by not knowing how to properly evaluate when I should be using implementing stored-procedures, triggers or whatever. Overall, I want to improve my database design and SQL skills, but I want the information I learn to be delivered in a way so that it's always relating back to ColdFusion. Any suggestions? Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC TEL: 877-70-HANDY FAX: 888-300-2FAX URL: www.handynetworks.com - Providing reseller and dedicated Windows 2000 web hosting solutions. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Training Recommendations
Bit of a misnomer: what you need has nothing to do with ColdFusion - you need advanced database training. Maybe that'll help your search. I know you want it to "relate back to ColdFusion". However, change your mindset a bit - your database is separate tier, not "part" of ColdFusion. As such, look for dedicated database training. About the only thing that will vary by language is calling stored procedures - and that's 15 minutes and a reference on your own. Besides, there's far more "database" than "using databases with ColdFusion" training out there. --- Billy Cravens Web Development, EDS [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Training Recommendations Hi All - I'm hoping someone can recommend some ColdFusion training that focuses on a variety of topics at the database level, especially including: * Database Design Techniques * Implementing Stored Procedures * Designing and Using Triggers * Joins I started using ColdFusion on a very casual, teach-myself-as-I-go basis back when CF3 was the latest and greatest. I am very confident with my ColdFusion specific skills, but continue to find that my SQL skills (or lack of) are holding me back. I get especially confused with joins, and moment I prefer to use the old ANSI 88?? style joins. However, when I need to do any complex nested joins, I find myself relying on Access's query builder because I absolutely can't figure out how to write them by hand. I also have very little knowledge about stored procedures, triggers, indexes, etc. I've been able to gather that stored procedures and triggers can make a world of difference performance-wise, and I feel as-if I'm providing a a great disservice to my customers by not knowing how to properly evaluate when I should be using implementing stored-procedures, triggers or whatever. Overall, I want to improve my database design and SQL skills, but I want the information I learn to be delivered in a way so that it's always relating back to ColdFusion. Any suggestions? Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC TEL: 877-70-HANDY FAX: 888-300-2FAX URL: www.handynetworks.com - Providing reseller and dedicated Windows 2000 web hosting solutions. ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Training Recommendations
> I'm hoping someone can recommend some ColdFusion training that > focuses on a variety of topics at the database level, especially > including: > > * Database Design Techniques > * Implementing Stored Procedures > * Designing and Using Triggers > * Joins > > I started using ColdFusion on a very casual, teach-myself-as-I-go > basis back when CF3 was the latest and greatest. I am very confident > with my ColdFusion specific skills, but continue to find that my SQL > skills (or lack of) are holding me back. I get especially confused > with joins, and moment I prefer to use the old ANSI 88?? style joins. > However, when I need to do any complex nested joins, I find myself > relying on Access's query builder because I absolutely can't figure > out how to write them by hand. I also have very little knowledge about > stored procedures, triggers, indexes, etc. I've been able to gather > that stored procedures and triggers can make a world of difference > performance-wise, and I feel as-if I'm providing a a great disservice > to my customers by not knowing how to properly evaluate when I should > be using implementing stored-procedures, triggers or whatever. > > Overall, I want to improve my database design and SQL skills, > but I want the information I learn to be delivered in a way so that > it's always relating back to ColdFusion. > > Any suggestions? I've got a couple of suggestions. First, Macromedia now offers an introductory SQL course called, appropriately enough, "Fast Track to SQL". The course doesn't specifically have much to do with ColdFusion, but everything within the course is relevant to building CF applications. Fortunately, there's not all that much you do differently within a CF app when it comes to database design and SQL. As for the course itself, it was created by Fig Leaf Software for Macromedia. I think that it does a good job of covering the basics of SQL, and have taught the class a few times and been satisfied with the basic course materials. http://www.allaire.com/handlers/index.cfm?ID=20695&method=full Second, if you want something beyond SQL, I know that Adam Churvis offers a CF class which covers SQL Server and Oracle as well. I don't know the details, but I've heard good things about his classes, and I think highly of him and his skills myself. However, this is an advanced class, so you might want to learn basic SQL stuff (things like ANSI-92 explicit JOIN syntax) first. http://www.coldfusiontraining.com/ Finally, no matter what decision you come to about taking courses, I strongly recommend that you learn as much SQL and database design theory as you can - frankly, it's more important than knowing CF, even for CF developers, in my opinion! It's essential that you learn as much as you can about this topic, if you want to be a competent database application developer. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 ~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Training Recommendations
About a year and a half ago, I took the official Microsoft course, "Implementing a Database With SQL Server 7.0" and found that course to be very helpful. The course covers everything you mentioned below. You'll have to check around your area to see if there are any Microsoft training sites near you. I can't remember how much it cost, but it was about 3 or 4 days long. I know Oracle has some courses as well. Mark -Original Message- From: Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 6:04 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SOT: Training Recommendations Hi All - I'm hoping someone can recommend some ColdFusion training that focuses on a variety of topics at the database level, especially including: * Database Design Techniques * Implementing Stored Procedures * Designing and Using Triggers * Joins I started using ColdFusion on a very casual, teach-myself-as-I-go basis back when CF3 was the latest and greatest. I am very confident with my ColdFusion specific skills, but continue to find that my SQL skills (or lack of) are holding me back. I get especially confused with joins, and moment I prefer to use the old ANSI 88?? style joins. However, when I need to do any complex nested joins, I find myself relying on Access's query builder because I absolutely can't figure out how to write them by hand. I also have very little knowledge about stored procedures, triggers, indexes, etc. I've been able to gather that stored procedures and triggers can make a world of difference performance-wise, and I feel as-if I'm providing a a great disservice to my customers by not knowing how to properly evaluate when I should be using implementing stored-procedures, triggers or whatever. Overall, I want to improve my database design and SQL skills, but I want the information I learn to be delivered in a way so that it's always relating back to ColdFusion. Any suggestions? Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC TEL: 877-70-HANDY FAX: 888-300-2FAX URL: www.handynetworks.com - Providing reseller and dedicated Windows 2000 web hosting solutions. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
SOT: Training Recommendations
Hi All - I'm hoping someone can recommend some ColdFusion training that focuses on a variety of topics at the database level, especially including: * Database Design Techniques * Implementing Stored Procedures * Designing and Using Triggers * Joins I started using ColdFusion on a very casual, teach-myself-as-I-go basis back when CF3 was the latest and greatest. I am very confident with my ColdFusion specific skills, but continue to find that my SQL skills (or lack of) are holding me back. I get especially confused with joins, and moment I prefer to use the old ANSI 88?? style joins. However, when I need to do any complex nested joins, I find myself relying on Access's query builder because I absolutely can't figure out how to write them by hand. I also have very little knowledge about stored procedures, triggers, indexes, etc. I've been able to gather that stored procedures and triggers can make a world of difference performance-wise, and I feel as-if I'm providing a a great disservice to my customers by not knowing how to properly evaluate when I should be using implementing stored-procedures, triggers or whatever. Overall, I want to improve my database design and SQL skills, but I want the information I learn to be delivered in a way so that it's always relating back to ColdFusion. Any suggestions? Jay Sudowski - Handy Networks LLC TEL: 877-70-HANDY FAX: 888-300-2FAX URL: www.handynetworks.com - Providing reseller and dedicated Windows 2000 web hosting solutions. ~~ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
