RE: W2K vs. NT
On 2/9/01, Dave Watts penned: Originally, this thread was about naming downloaded files using "fake" URLs. I don't use Fusebox, so I don't have anything to say about Fusebox style URLs. Using "fake" URLs to name files for downloading purposes doesn't work on NT 4 SP6 or later. Thanks for pointing that out. LOL No it wasn't. It was my thread and it was asking the advantages/disadvantages of W2K vs. NT for my new SQL Server box. It quickly degraded into a discussion on fake urls. :) -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
On my W2Ksp1 box I can use a url like http://derand/derand/cultuur_programma/index.html/Pd/dm/Np/6/Cp/3.html just fine. I mapped .html to be interpreted by CF so maybe that's what you need to do to make this work. - Original Message - From: "Max Paperno" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: RE: W2K vs. NT At 2/8/2001 09:25 PM -0500, you wrote: If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
Dave, -- From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... Is there a way of making that technique work? I.e. can you make IIS evaluate URL from left to right instead of from right to left as its seems to be doing? The only way to make this work, if you're running NT 4 SP6 or Win2K, is to downgrade to NT 4 SP5 or earlier. -- I don't know what all this talk is about fusebox style urls (index.cfm/foo/bar/var/new/x.htm) not working on a Win2k box. We recently were forced (hardware failure) to rebuild one of our servers and decided to upgrade to Win2k. We have numerous sites on this box using the fusebox style urls and haven't had any problems with them whatsoever. One example . . . http://www.emeraldball.com/index.cfm/showsection/contact/page.htm .. . . which is clearly running on win2k: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.emeraldball.com Thanks, Jeff Howden Sr. Web Application Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] AlphaShop Network Services http://www.alphashop.net/ Mobile: 503.804.9938 Voice: 541.681.4078 Fax:541.681.4084 AIM - Active Information Management ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
At 2/8/2001 09:25 PM -0500, you wrote: If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... Is there a way of making that technique work? I.e. can you make IIS evaluate URL from left to right instead of from right to left as its seems to be doing? The only way to make this work, if you're running NT 4 SP6 or Win2K, is to downgrade to NT 4 SP5 or earlier. Actually, just to beat this a little more off-thread-topic, I understand that appending ".cfm" to the URL will make this work again. E.g. some.server.com/index.cfm/some/variables/passed.cfm Can't swear to that. I use the other method to make this work, which is not using IIS ;-) Cheers, -Max ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
You have to read the posting carefully. The problem is with IIS. best, paul At 10:34 PM 2/8/01 -0800, you wrote: Dave, I don't know what all this talk is about fusebox style urls (index.cfm/foo/bar/var/new/x.htm) not working on a Win2k box. We recently were forced (hardware failure) to rebuild one of our servers and decided to upgrade to Win2k. We have numerous sites on this box using the fusebox style urls and haven't had any problems with them whatsoever. ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OT: W2K vs. NT
You can get SQL Server 2000 Enterprise with 25 CALs for $3200 at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/i-market/sqlser20ened.html But, in my opinion, there's no TECHNICAL reason to go SQL2000 rather than SQL7. SQL7 with 10 cals for $1189 at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/dealsoftware/micsqlser70w1.html 20 more CALs for $899 at: http://shop.store.yahoo.com/dealsoftware/sqlser720cli.html best, paul At 12:38 PM 2/7/01 -0500, you wrote: Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... Not true. Our servers running Win2k SP1 work fine with those techniques. The CGI.PATH_INFO works like a charm, however I have herd others say it doesn't work for them. --=@ greg @=-- - Original Message - From: "Zachary Bedell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: RE: W2K vs. NT -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? A little... A lot of the admin stuff is done differently, but you can pick it up pretty quickly. Is 2000 stable? "Like a rock." (Please don't sue me, G.M) I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. You won't need to install defrag w/ Win2k -- it comes with it. Tho a SQL only box shouldn't get fragmented -- SQL Server creates big contiguous files works with in them for everything it does. I doubt your drive would get fragmented at all if it's dedicated SQL. On the whole, I'm fairly certain you'll enjoy Win2k. It's performance is stellar for us. We've only got one box left to upgrade, and it's going soon! Best regards, Zac Bedell -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com Comment: Please use PGP! iQA/AwUBOoGfyKvhLS1aWPxeEQIw1gCeP0VxL8lkF5AColTMfxaCd4nOEfwAni4d STbIz6ubFIVd9OVIbp95Cpek =BpC3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
Advanced Server is not really necessary, get the Server version. Adv Server provides very nice load balancing and clustering but other than that, the regular server version has everything you need. Definately dont put Professional on a server though. jon - Original Message - From: "Michael Buffington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: RE: W2K vs. NT I've found Win 2K to be very stable. I use it for my workstations, as well as a CF/IIS server and a SQL 7.0 server. I've not yet tried it with SQL 2000. You mentioned that you would be using Win2K soley for SQL, but I always feel it's important to mention that if you're ever planning on web serving with Win2K, that you should install the Win2K advanced version. Win2K Pro only allows 10 connections to IIS at a time, Advanced allows unlimited. It's one of those silly microsoft things where they throw in free software that's crippled depending on the license of the OS you purchase. I wouldn't be suprised if they lose the "scientific" mode of the calculator in future, lower-end releases. ;) FYI, I found SQL 2000 Enterprise for $3952 @ PriceComputing.com with free shipping and no tax if you live outside of Wisconsin. http://computing.price.com/prices.htm?ref=mikeid=-2146569074 Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
So what's your commision? - Original Message - From: "Michael Buffington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: RE: W2K vs. NT I've found Win 2K to be very stable. I use it for my workstations, as well as a CF/IIS server and a SQL 7.0 server. I've not yet tried it with SQL 2000. You mentioned that you would be using Win2K soley for SQL, but I always feel it's important to mention that if you're ever planning on web serving with Win2K, that you should install the Win2K advanced version. Win2K Pro only allows 10 connections to IIS at a time, Advanced allows unlimited. It's one of those silly microsoft things where they throw in free software that's crippled depending on the license of the OS you purchase. I wouldn't be suprised if they lose the "scientific" mode of the calculator in future, lower-end releases. ;) FYI, I found SQL 2000 Enterprise for $3952 @ PriceComputing.com with free shipping and no tax if you live outside of Wisconsin. http://computing.price.com/prices.htm?ref=mikeid=-2146569074 Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
You're missing a product level here: "Windows 2000 Server" which is approx. $700 vs. $3200 for "Windows 2000 Advanced Server". "Windows 2000 Pro" is the successor to NT Workstation, which also had the same connection limitations when running IIS. Jim - Original Message - From: "Michael Buffington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: RE: W2K vs. NT I've found Win 2K to be very stable. I use it for my workstations, as well as a CF/IIS server and a SQL 7.0 server. I've not yet tried it with SQL 2000. You mentioned that you would be using Win2K soley for SQL, but I always feel it's important to mention that if you're ever planning on web serving with Win2K, that you should install the Win2K advanced version. Win2K Pro only allows 10 connections to IIS at a time, Advanced allows unlimited. It's one of those silly microsoft things where they throw in free software that's crippled depending on the license of the OS you purchase. I wouldn't be suprised if they lose the "scientific" mode of the calculator in future, lower-end releases. ;) FYI, I found SQL 2000 Enterprise for $3952 @ PriceComputing.com with free shipping and no tax if you live outside of Wisconsin. http://computing.price.com/prices.htm?ref=mikeid=-2146569074 Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
* it's important to mention that if you're ever planning on web serving with * Win2K, that you should install the Win2K advanced version. Win2K Pro only * allows 10 connections to IIS at a time, Advanced allows unlimited. I think that you are confusing Win2k Professional (workstation) with Win2k Server. (Advanced Server is a flavor of Win2K Server with built in clustering and failover as well as support for a larger number of processors). Win2K Server (standard) has unlimited web connections. Jeff Garza Web Developer/Webmaster Spectrum Astro, Inc. 480.892.8200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.spectrumastro.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
On 2/7/01, Greg Wolfinger penned: I have found that Win2k is a lot more stable. Migrating is a bad ideabut any new servers that are using the Wintel solution should run Win2k OK, great. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. Buy.com $4,500 at buy.com. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
On 2/7/01, Zachary Bedell penned: If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... I had problems with my sites on Intermedia when they went to SP6. So did they obviously, because they ended up reinstalling Windows and SP5 soon afterward. When I bought my server I requested they install SP5 and it's treated my well. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
Look out - we've got a runaway!! I've received this message 8 times so far . . . . (along with a bunch of others . . . ) - Original Message - From: "Greg Wolfinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:17 PM Subject: Re: W2K vs. NT I have found that Win2k is a lot more stable. Migrating is a bad ideabut any new servers that are using the Wintel solution should run Win2k FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. Buy.com --=@ greg @=-- - Original Message - From: "Bud" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... Is there a way of making that technique work? I.e. can you make IIS evaluate URL from left to right instead of from right to left as its seems to be doing? Michel Vuijlsteke Netpoint NV ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OT: W2K vs. NT
But, in my opinion, there's no TECHNICAL reason to go SQL2000 rather than
SQL7. SQL7 with 10 cals for $1189 at:
price aside, sql2000 does have these which i find interesting :
- user defined functions
- indexed views
- xml support (includes nifty metadata stuff)
- named log marks (can restore partial db, to a point in time, etc.)
- bigint ("infinite" identity values), table sql variant datatypes
- full text search (many cool new options general improvements!!)
- kerberos security
- text in row (instead of on seperate page)
- 20-40% speed improvement
plus its getting tougher tougher to buy sql server 7 around here...
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RE: W2K vs. NT
My bad. I wasn't familiar with Win2K Server standard, which is much cheaper than Win2K Server Advanced. Thanks for pointing that out. Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Garza, Jeff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: W2K vs. NT * it's important to mention that if you're ever planning on web serving with * Win2K, that you should install the Win2K advanced version. Win2K Pro only * allows 10 connections to IIS at a time, Advanced allows unlimited. I think that you are confusing Win2k Professional (workstation) with Win2k Server. (Advanced Server is a flavor of Win2K Server with built in clustering and failover as well as support for a larger number of processors). Win2K Server (standard) has unlimited web connections. Jeff Garza Web Developer/Webmaster Spectrum Astro, Inc. 480.892.8200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.spectrumastro.com ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
Don't know if it matters much for just one server, but installing the damn thing is a lot quicker/easier. For NT 4 you had to - install the OS - install the Option Pack for IIS, ftp etc. - apply whichever service pack With Win2K - install the OS (includes all the option pack stuff) - apply whichever service pack (can do this handily with windows update if you have a decent connection). -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:39 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
Commision? I didn't realize I was selling anything. Perhaps I didn't make it clear that PriceComputing isn't a reseller. We catalog and track prices on products across hundreds of vendors. I thought it would be relevant to the conversation, since we were discussing prices, to show what we track as the lowest price. I make nothing off the sale, nor does my company. I apologize for any misunderstanding I may have caused. Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Fred T. Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 1:17 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: W2K vs. NT So what's your commision? - Original Message - From: "Michael Buffington" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 2:21 PM Subject: RE: W2K vs. NT I've found Win 2K to be very stable. I use it for my workstations, as well as a CF/IIS server and a SQL 7.0 server. I've not yet tried it with SQL 2000. You mentioned that you would be using Win2K soley for SQL, but I always feel it's important to mention that if you're ever planning on web serving with Win2K, that you should install the Win2K advanced version. Win2K Pro only allows 10 connections to IIS at a time, Advanced allows unlimited. It's one of those silly microsoft things where they throw in free software that's crippled depending on the license of the OS you purchase. I wouldn't be suprised if they lose the "scientific" mode of the calculator in future, lower-end releases. ;) FYI, I found SQL 2000 Enterprise for $3952 @ PriceComputing.com with free shipping and no tax if you live outside of Wisconsin. http://computing.price.com/prices.htm?ref=mikeid=-2146569074 Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... Is there a way of making that technique work? I.e. can you make IIS evaluate URL from left to right instead of from right to left as its seems to be doing? The only way to make this work, if you're running NT 4 SP6 or Win2K, is to downgrade to NT 4 SP5 or earlier. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
OT: W2K vs. NT
Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
I have found that Win2k is a lot more stable. Migrating is a bad ideabut any new servers that are using the Wintel solution should run Win2k FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. Buy.com --=@ greg @=-- - Original Message - From: "Bud" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? A little... A lot of the admin stuff is done differently, but you can pick it up pretty quickly. Is 2000 stable? "Like a rock." (Please don't sue me, G.M) I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! If you're only using SP5 (as opposed to SP6) for your web server, then you might be using the various FuseBox URL faking techniques. Those don't work on NT4 SP6 or Win2k. That's not an issue if this is just a SQL box, but do keep that fact in mind... The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. You won't need to install defrag w/ Win2k -- it comes with it. Tho a SQL only box shouldn't get fragmented -- SQL Server creates big contiguous files works with in them for everything it does. I doubt your drive would get fragmented at all if it's dedicated SQL. On the whole, I'm fairly certain you'll enjoy Win2k. It's performance is stellar for us. We've only got one box left to upgrade, and it's going soon! Best regards, Zac Bedell -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com Comment: Please use PGP! iQA/AwUBOoGfyKvhLS1aWPxeEQIw1gCeP0VxL8lkF5AColTMfxaCd4nOEfwAni4d STbIz6ubFIVd9OVIbp95Cpek =BpC3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: W2K vs. NT
I've found Win 2K to be very stable. I use it for my workstations, as well as a CF/IIS server and a SQL 7.0 server. I've not yet tried it with SQL 2000. You mentioned that you would be using Win2K soley for SQL, but I always feel it's important to mention that if you're ever planning on web serving with Win2K, that you should install the Win2K advanced version. Win2K Pro only allows 10 connections to IIS at a time, Advanced allows unlimited. It's one of those silly microsoft things where they throw in free software that's crippled depending on the license of the OS you purchase. I wouldn't be suprised if they lose the "scientific" mode of the calculator in future, lower-end releases. ;) FYI, I found SQL 2000 Enterprise for $3952 @ PriceComputing.com with free shipping and no tax if you live outside of Wisconsin. http://computing.price.com/prices.htm?ref=mikeid=-2146569074 Michael Buffington [EMAIL PROTECTED] (714) 556-3890 x222 http://www.price.com -Original Message- From: Bud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:39 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: W2K vs. NT
Go to Win2k, In my opinion it's the first decent Microsoft OS. A million times better than NT. jon - Original Message - From: "Bud" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 12:38 PM Subject: OT: W2K vs. NT Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Re: OT: W2K vs. NT
I'm betting that future versions of CF will only support W2K, so think in terms of the future. Personally, I've had few problems with W2K server. -- Billy Cravens HR Web Development, Sabre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bud wrote: Howdy all. I'm about to take the plunge and get my SQL 2000 box. As usual, I'm afraid to blow my nose without input from you guys. LOL Any advantages/disadvantages with NT 4 vs. Win 2000? Please consider I'm a novice when it come to Windows. I've learned enough NT to keep my CF/Web server knocking_woodrunning almost constantly/knocking_wood. Will I have to learn a bunch of new stuff to keep 2000 going? Is 2000 stable? I'm doing pretty good with NT sp5 and don't want to bite off more than I can chew. The SQL machine will be for SQL Server only! The only other software I'd install is some defrag stuff and a client for my Retrospect backup. FYI. I signed up for a biz account with PC Connection and they're going to sell me SQL 2000 with a single Processor license for 4K on the nose. Beats the next best price I could find by 700 bucks. -- Bud Schneehagen - Tropical Web Creations _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ColdFusion Solutions / eCommerce Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.twcreations.com/ 954.721.3452 ~~ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
