[cfaussie] Re: Whats so bad about the tag syntax?
On 5/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Two things wrong with Tag based code.
1. Other developers when they see ColdFusion code hate it and immediately
dismiss it as not a real language
I hate those clowns, not because I am a Coldfusion Disciple but simply
because they appear to be Techno-Religious fanatics who spend more
time stroking their own egos and worth because they know some
higher-level language rather then focusing on the problem at hand.
There are no such things as an un-real language, a language does a
multititude of things for various contexts, so anyone who rants that
trash are simply techno-cowards who are only two evolution cycles
above being classed as a monkey.
2. You need to write about double the amount of code every time
cfloop index=i from=1 to=10
/cfloop
for (i=1; i=10; i++) {
}
See the differences in the amount of characters typed in this simple
example.
Depends on your context of use and more importantly your IDE. At times
the cfloop does seem verbose, but i actually prefer the cfloop via
editors like Dreamweaver as they appear to be faster. I used to sit in
the ecma space quite a lot so fingers to keyboard, i'd pump out the
for() approach faster... yet when in Dreamweaver it would seem faster
via tag based. I say that as my mindset was so used to rightclick,
tabbing and data entry in a monkey see monkey do type mode of attack -
ie it's pretty much the same concept of how Green Screen terminal
users process day to day tasks yet in such a rapid manner.
I've read a research paper on the power of macros and keyboard
interaction, i'll see if i can google it and resurrect it, as it was
quite an interesting read.
On a side note, I do appreciate the schema approach to defining
machine instructions on various workflows of different types. In FLEX
you can flip in and out of the Tag based approach aswell as the ECMA
approach. This is somewhat useful as while the ECMA approach is still
my preferred for component development (feels more controllable) - yet
- the tag based approach is also equally more suited to structure and
high level layout approach.
Furthermore, having tag based approach also feels natural in terms of
defining ones own language. At times we live in a semantic-u-topia
whereby we have tags that have a fairly defined universal meaning to
appease the die-hard verb geeks. Yet at times they don't make sense to
the average person.
If you will, you have a CFLOOP approach to looping over and index from
1 to X. Now typically the motions of setting this up seems
traditionally 1 to #variable#. So it could be argued that in order to
have a more defined and happy approach one could simply go CFITERATE
to=#variable# then on the off chance you do want to mix things up or
adjust the defaults (index=i or from=1) you can have that option.. but
they basically become optional attributes.
Thats the power you have with the tag based approach in coldfusion and
flex, you can extend them and make your own language.
Point: They are just tools, use them to suite your needs not live and
die by them and feel they are simply yet another constraint on your
development cycle(s).
Regards
Dale Fraser
From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Patrick Branley
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006 09:10 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Whats so bad about the tag syntax ? was: where have all
the cf developers gone ?
I have to say i dont mind using the tag-based syntax for writing code. I
would argue rather than making CF script ECMA compliant they should make the
tag-based syntax XML valid! Who wants to write in the ugly Perl-like syntax
of Php ? And its not so much writing it as it is reading other people's code
who dont know how to comment correctly.
CF is not the only tag-based language out there. .NET has custom tags java
has taglibs. They are a good way of writing simple logic as part of a
tag-based page.
What i think is missing from CF (and can someone confirm this is possible
with JRun / CF Enterprise ) is a way of writing java objects and deploying
them to the server on the fly just as you would write a CFC ? If so, then
its just a matter of providing some Java APIs to the existing CF
functions/tags in a java syntax (which would already exist id say, but just
arent documented)
If all of that was available then the workflow would be like this:
1. CFM pages with tag-based syntax for presenting HTML content.
2. POJO's for where you would currently use CFC's (but with the advantage of
them being instantly deployable, rather than code-complie-deploy)
Pat
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[cfaussie] Re: Whats so bad about the tag syntax?
now i
know what the sound of beating a dead horse sounds like
-Original Message-From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Patrick
BranleySent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:14 AMTo:
cfaussie@googlegroups.comSubject: [cfaussie] Re: Whats so bad about
the tag syntax?
On 5/11/06, Scott
Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On
5/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: Two things wrong with Tag based code.
1. Other developers when they see ColdFusion code hate it and immediately
dismiss it as not a real languageI hate those clowns, not
because I am a Coldfusion Disciple but simplybecause they appear to be
Techno-Religious fanatics who spend moretime stroking their own egos and
worth because they know some "higher-level" language rather then
focusing on the problem at hand.There are no such things as an
"un-real" language, a language does amultititude of things for various
contexts, so anyone who rants that trash are simply techno-cowards who
are only two evolution cyclesabove being classed as a monkey.
True that. These are the same clowns that come up with products
like C++ server pages. http://www.micronovae.com/default_csp.htmlI
have a hard enough time trying to get pages to work cross browser let alone
worring about pointer referencing and memory managment.
2. You need to write about double the amount of code every time
cfloop index="i" from="1" to="10"
/cfloop for (i=1; i=10; i++) {
} See the differences in the amount of characters
typed in this simple example.Depends on your context of use
and more importantly your IDE. At timesthe cfloop does seem verbose, but
i actually prefer the cfloop viaeditors like Dreamweaver as they appear
to be faster. I used to sit in the ecma space quite a lot so fingers to
keyboard, i'd pump out thefor() approach faster... yet when in
Dreamweaver it would seem fastervia tag based. I say that as my mindset
was so used to rightclick,tabbing and data entry in a monkey see monkey
do type mode of attack - ie it's pretty much the same concept of how
"Green Screen" terminalusers process day to day tasks yet in such a
rapid manner.I've read a research paper on the power of macros and
keyboardinteraction, i'll see if i can google it and resurrect it, as it
was quite an interesting read.On a side note, I do appreciate
the schema approach to definingmachine instructions on various workflows
of different types. In FLEXyou can flip in and out of the Tag based
approach aswell as the ECMA approach. This is somewhat useful as while
the ECMA approach is stillmy preferred for component development (feels
more controllable) - yet- the tag based approach is also equally more
suited to structure andhigh level layout approach.Furthermore,
having tag based approach also feels natural in terms ofdefining ones
own language. At times we live in a semantic-u-topiawhereby we have tags
that have a fairly defined universal meaning to appease the die-hard
verb geeks. Yet at times they don't make sense tothe average
person.If you will, you have a CFLOOP approach to looping over and
index from1 to X. Now typically the motions of setting this up seems
traditionally 1 to #variable#. So it could be argued that in order
tohave a more defined and "happy" approach one could simply go
CFITERATEto="#variable#" then on the off chance you do want to mix
things up or adjust the defaults (index=i or from=1) you can have that
option.. butthey basically become "optional" attributes.Thats
the power you have with the tag based approach in coldfusion andflex,
you can extend them and make your own language. Point: They are just
tools, use them to suite your needs not live anddie by them and feel
they are simply yet another constraint on yourdevelopment
cycle(s). Regards Dale Fraser
From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
[mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Patrick Branley Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2006
09:10 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Whats so bad about the tag syntax ? was: where have all
the cf developers gone ? I have to say i dont mind
using the tag-based syntax for writing code. I would argue rather
than making CF script ECMA compliant they should make the tag-based
syntax XML valid! Who wants to write in the ugly Perl-like syntax
of Php ? And its not so much writing it as it is reading other people's
code who dont know how to comment correctly. CF is
not the only tag-based language out there. .NET has custom tags java
has taglibs. They are a good way of writing simple logic as part of
a tag-based page. What i think is missing from CF
(and can someone
[cfaussie] Re: CSS Editor for Eclipse
That's great.. thanks -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Friday, 12 May 2006 12:32 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: CSS Editor for Eclipse I just use the WTP for Eclipse. http://download.eclipse.org/webtools/downloads/ Part of it is a CSS editor. Mark On 5/12/06, Joel Cass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I know it's a bit off topic but the dead horse is starting to smell. I apologise for any misunderstanding but there is no difference, except in appearance. I regret even mentioning the performance argument now. Does anyone know if there's a good CSS editor out there for CFEclipse? It would be good to have something a little more integrated as I am running an external CSS editor (TopStyle) and it really doesn't work too well with CVS and everything else. Joel -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: www.compoundtheory.com ICQ: 3094740 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Webservices playing with the data
Hi guys,
Not sure how to explain this. So I'll try to make this as simple as
possible for me. I have a web service that is called and we pass a
query to it. Now in that web service query we have descriptions. Now
here is the issue;
If the description has funny characters such as (I think ascii
characters) it will fail the webservice from sending over the data. I
notice this inparticular when you copy and paste from either MS Word or
from the web.
Below is a snapshot of the error. I believe this is an issue with web
services and the way it reads and writes the xml but I'm unsure. Anyone
have an issue like this. I might just add that when I save it to the
database directly it works perfectly
Here is the fault returned when invoking the web service operation:
AxisFault
faultCode:
{http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/}Server.userException
faultSubcode:
faultString: coldfusion.xml.rpc.CFCInvocationException:
[coldfusion.tagext.sql.QueryTag$DatabaseQueryException : Error
Executing Database Query.][java.sql.SQLException :
[Macromedia][SQLServer JDBC Driver][SQLServer]Unclosed quotation mark
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faultActor:
faultNode:
faultDetail:
{http://xml.apache.org/axis/}stackTrace:coldfusion.xml.rpc.CFCInvocationException:
[coldfusion.tagext.sql.QueryTag$DatabaseQueryException : Error
Executing Database Query.][java.sql.SQLException :
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