Re: [cfaussie] Daily Rate

[ColdGen Internet Solutions]

So... 15 years at $15 per hour base rate (8 hours per day)? $120 ish per day
seems reasonable even to me! But I'm sold!

Peter Tilbrook
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On 15 March 2011 16:48, Dale Fraser  wrote:

> 15

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RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate

[Dale Fraser]

Seriously?

If you couldn’t find a person for 3 or 4 years you weren't asking in the
right places.

It's not that hard, if you're really looking.

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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Eliseo Dannunzio
Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 2:15 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Daily Rate

Brian,

The way I would calculate a given rate is based off the number of years of
experience...

I usually work it using the following rule:

* If they are completely new to the role, about $20 an hour...

* Every 4 years of experience nets them an extra $15 an hour on top of that.

* And every year above 10 years gets them an extra $5/hr on top of that...

so 12 years of experience nets 20 + 3*15 + 2*5 = 75/hr => ~ 600 a day...
minimum. The over 10 years add on, could be as high as $10 more per hour for
every year of experience above 10 years... so this rate can vary as much as
an extra 10/hr... which only works out to about 680/day... (85/hr)

A "desirable" salary on the other hand, generally is about the hourly rate
expressed in thousands plus about 20%... So a $75/hr position works roughly
well as 75K x 1.2 => 90K salary position... base salary for the sake of
example... Rule of thumb is that as a contractor you're earning roughly
double your rate in thousands in salary per annum... so earning 75/hr is
almost equivalent to earning 150K/year.
Switching to a perm role, and therefore a lower salary equivalent is usually
a big deterrent for most contractors considering a perm role... especially
if it means dropping about 40% of your income...
But as Mark Picker said... the salary packages also include a substantial
amount of annual leave, sick leave, flex time, superannuation, and so on to
make up for a number of these cutbacks.

I'm a contractor myself, and have been for some time, I know that there are
risks to dropping to a perm role, but I personally can't wait to get into a
stable CF Dev role myself once this contract finishes up...

@Mark P,

DET have been trying to fill a CF role over the last few years but have been
unsuccessful? Just out of curiosity, what channels did you go through re
advertising the role? There's a number of us developers out there, I'm
surprised you had difficulties??

~ Eliseo

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:15 PM, KNOTT, Brian 
wrote:
> Guys what’s the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer.  
> Short term project.
>
>
>
> Brian Knott | Budget and Forecast Specialist | Group Budget, Planning  
> & Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp
>
> Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078
>
> GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George 
> St
>
> brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au

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Re: [cfaussie] Daily Rate

[Eliseo Dannunzio]

Brian,

The way I would calculate a given rate is based off the number of
years of experience...

I usually work it using the following rule:

* If they are completely new to the role, about $20 an hour...

* Every 4 years of experience nets them an extra $15 an hour on top of that.

* And every year above 10 years gets them an extra $5/hr on top of that...

so 12 years of experience nets 20 + 3*15 + 2*5 = 75/hr => ~ 600 a
day... minimum. The over 10 years add on, could be as high as $10 more
per hour for every year of experience above 10 years... so this rate
can vary as much as an extra 10/hr... which only works out to about
680/day... (85/hr)

A "desirable" salary on the other hand, generally is about the hourly
rate expressed in thousands plus about 20%... So a $75/hr position
works roughly well as 75K x 1.2 => 90K salary position... base salary
for the sake of example... Rule of thumb is that as a contractor
you're earning roughly double your rate in thousands in salary per
annum... so earning 75/hr is almost equivalent to earning 150K/year.
Switching to a perm role, and therefore a lower salary equivalent is
usually a big deterrent for most contractors considering a perm
role... especially if it means dropping about 40% of your income...
But as Mark Picker said... the salary packages also include a
substantial amount of annual leave, sick leave, flex time,
superannuation, and so on to make up for a number of these cutbacks.

I'm a contractor myself, and have been for some time, I know that
there are risks to dropping to a perm role, but I personally can't
wait to get into a stable CF Dev role myself once this contract
finishes up...

@Mark P,

DET have been trying to fill a CF role over the last few years but
have been unsuccessful? Just out of curiosity, what channels did you
go through re advertising the role? There's a number of us developers
out there, I'm surprised you had difficulties??

~ Eliseo

On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 12:15 PM, KNOTT, Brian
 wrote:
> Guys what’s the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer.  Short
> term project.
>
>
>
> Brian Knott | Budget and Forecast Specialist | Group Budget, Planning  &
> Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp
>
> Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078
>
> GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George St
>
> brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Daily Rate

[Simon Haddon]

I am surprised you couldn't find someone. There are enough of us around.
Maybe we are all just busy.

On 15 March 2011 14:07, Mark Picker  wrote:

> As Brian said short term I took it as meaning contractor rate, not
> salary.
>
> If it helps, we pay full time staff a salary that works out at around
> $330 gross per day.  Then add 5 weeks annual leave, 14 sick days, flex
> time, super etc.
>
> CF skills aren't a must (but we would rate skilled CF developers
> higher than non skilled) but staff would need to have some type of
> development background.
>
> Good luck finding someone Brian.  We tried filling a CF position for
> over 3 years (or maybe 4??) and recently had to remove the position as
> we couldn't fill it.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
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[cfaussie] Re: Daily Rate

[Mark Picker]

As Brian said short term I took it as meaning contractor rate, not
salary.

If it helps, we pay full time staff a salary that works out at around
$330 gross per day.  Then add 5 weeks annual leave, 14 sick days, flex
time, super etc.

CF skills aren't a must (but we would rate skilled CF developers
higher than non skilled) but staff would need to have some type of
development background.

Good luck finding someone Brian.  We tried filling a CF position for
over 3 years (or maybe 4??) and recently had to remove the position as
we couldn't fill it.

Cheers
Mark

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RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate

[Mark Ireland]

Wouldnt they get a salary and not a rate?

The salary for juniors seems to be going down, down down. . ..

From: st...@cfcentral.com.au
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:43:56 +1100



As a contractor maybe. No way you would expect that in an employed position  
From: Mark Ireland [mailto:markinc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:57 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate $500 a day for a juniorFrom: 
brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:15:05 +1000
Subject: [cfaussie] Daily RateGuys what’s the current daily rate for an 
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RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate

[Steve Onnis]

As a contractor maybe. No way you would expect that in an employed position 

 

From: Mark Ireland [mailto:markinc...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 12 March 2011 11:57 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Daily Rate

 

$500 a day for a junior

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From: brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:15:05 +1000
Subject: [cfaussie] Daily Rate

Guys what's the current daily rate for an experienced CF developer.  Short
term project.

 

Brian Knott |
 Budget and Forecast Specialist |
Group Budget, Planning  & Forecasting | Group Finance | Suncorp

Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078 

GPO Box 1453 Brisbane QLD 4001 | Level 29, Brisbane Square, 266 George St

  brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au

 

 

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