Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
Amazon doesn't lose your data on restart if you use EBS... Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Paul Kukiel kuki...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Take a look at Rackspace cloud options. I've been looking at them and chatting with Phil and they are also really good value for money and they don't loose your data like Amazon do upon restart. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
Steve, I have to agree with where you are coming from. When you compare physical to virtual, it does seem very expensive to run. But I also understand the benefits that Virtual gives you as well, and I am with you in that I am not sure that for small and I refer to you as small in the space of it all, could justify the cost of Cloud Computing. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Yes paying by the hour is great but when you are using them as production instances which need to be up 24/7 then the paying by the hour doesn't really come into it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
Don't forget to also look into Amazon's 'Reserved Instance' pricing as that is a much more cost effective solution when running instances, especially 24/7. On 09/08/2011 04:21 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: Steve, I have to agree with where you are coming from. When you compare physical to virtual, it does seem very expensive to run. But I also understand the benefits that Virtual gives you as well, and I am with you in that I am not sure that for small and I refer to you as small in the space of it all, could justify the cost of Cloud Computing. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au http://www.andyscott.id.au// Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au mailto:st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: Yes paying by the hour is great but when you are using them as production instances which need to be up 24/7 then the paying by the hour doesn't really come into it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
Sure but its not just simply setup and your database is persistent you need to offload to EBS at intervals or snap shot the instance. Where as rackspace is more like a typical VPS/colo machine just in an elastic environment. I'm just saying this is something to consider when making the move Paul On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon doesn't lose your data on restart if you use EBS... Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Paul Kukiel kuki...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Take a look at Rackspace cloud options. I've been looking at them and chatting with Phil and they are also really good value for money and they don't loose your data like Amazon do upon restart. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Paul Kukiel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
Yeah, to replace an entire hosting setup, it may not be cost effective. But for specific applications, it can make a lot of sense when you look at the wider functionality available. If you are looking at massive dips and spikes in traffic - you can't go past being about to expand and collapse in the cloud (Elastic Load Balancer). If you are going to do massive asynchronous batch processing of data off and on - spot instances make a lot of sense here. You need a CDN - cloudfront makes a lot of sense, building your own would suck Massive MySQL replication - RDS can make a lot of sense (although their performance on mySQL isn't crash hot in my experience). If you want to split up your application into lots of micro boxes that each have their own tasks - SQS and Micro Instances, are awesome. (Trickier to do this on traditional architectures). The list goes on. It's pretty neat set of tools, but if you were to look at it as a straight 'I have a server here, vs I have a server somewhere in the sky', it doesn't necessarily match up. Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Josh Wines j...@joshwines.com wrote: ** Don't forget to also look into Amazon's 'Reserved Instance' pricing as that is a much more cost effective solution when running instances, especially 24/7. On 09/08/2011 04:21 PM, Andrew Scott wrote: Steve, I have to agree with where you are coming from. When you compare physical to virtual, it does seem very expensive to run. But I also understand the benefits that Virtual gives you as well, and I am with you in that I am not sure that for small and I refer to you as small in the space of it all, could justify the cost of Cloud Computing. -- Regards, Andrew Scott WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ Google+: http://plus.google.com/108193156965451149543 On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.auwrote: Yes paying by the hour is great but when you are using them as production instances which need to be up 24/7 then the paying by the hour doesn't really come into it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
Well, you can use RDS or Oracle offerings. But if you have an EBS based AMI, what is the issue there? It's persistent between restarts in my experience (I tend to only host websites on them, not DBs) I rebooted our stage server yesterday, and it came back just fine with everything on it. So? Colour me confused? Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Paul Kukiel kuki...@gmail.com wrote: Sure but its not just simply setup and your database is persistent you need to offload to EBS at intervals or snap shot the instance. Where as rackspace is more like a typical VPS/colo machine just in an elastic environment. I'm just saying this is something to consider when making the move Paul On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Amazon doesn't lose your data on restart if you use EBS... Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Paul Kukiel kuki...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Take a look at Rackspace cloud options. I've been looking at them and chatting with Phil and they are also really good value for money and they don't loose your data like Amazon do upon restart. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Paul Kukiel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Re: Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
No Issue its just different. Ie you can just install SQL server, put data in the database, shut down the instance fire it back up again the next day and expect the data to be there. At rackspace it does work like this however. Paul. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.com wrote: Well, you can use RDS or Oracle offerings. But if you have an EBS based AMI, what is the issue there? It's persistent between restarts in my experience (I tend to only host websites on them, not DBs) I rebooted our stage server yesterday, and it came back just fine with everything on it. So? Colour me confused? Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Paul Kukiel kuki...@gmail.com wrote: Sure but its not just simply setup and your database is persistent you need to offload to EBS at intervals or snap shot the instance. Where as rackspace is more like a typical VPS/colo machine just in an elastic environment. I'm just saying this is something to consider when making the move Paul On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Mark Mandel mark.man...@gmail.comwrote: Amazon doesn't lose your data on restart if you use EBS... Mark On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Paul Kukiel kuki...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Take a look at Rackspace cloud options. I've been looking at them and chatting with Phil and they are also really good value for money and they don't loose your data like Amazon do upon restart. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Paul Kukiel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex - Nov 17, 18 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au 2 Devs from Down Under Podcast http://www.2ddu.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- Paul Kukiel -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
Re: [cfaussie] Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Steve Onnis st...@cfcentral.com.au wrote: I am running windows servers and based on the calculator at http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html is will cost between $450 and $500 per month per instance to host, plus an extra $50ish for data. Could you provide a bit more detail on how you arrived at those numbers? I suspect you're assuming a much larger instance than you really need. The real key with EC2 is figuring out a minimal baseline to deal with your quiet time and then scaling up when you need it. The cloud isn't a great replacement for your data center unless your traffic is low by default - where you don't need your full data center - but has spikes which are as high or higher than your data center capability. Where I work, our traffic is seasonal: substantially higher in winter than summer. That means we could scale cloud hosting to our summer traffic and add capability in the winter. We could probably save a boatload of money. Also, if you're comparing managed services to cloud services, the cloud will look attractive - but if you're comparing bare bones VPS or dedicated servers that you fully manage yourself, the cloud will look expensive. Over the last four years, I've run production infrastructure in a combination of cloud, data center, and local servers. Every situation is different but you need to weigh up all the costs (and benefits). -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ World Singles, LLC. -- http://worldsingles.com/ Railo Technologies, Inc. -- http://www.getrailo.com/ Perfection is the enemy of the good. -- Gustave Flaubert, French realist novelist (1821-1880) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
RE: [cfaussie] Amazon EC2 hosting services viability
Adding to all the helpful replies form others on this, I'll add that just last night at the Atlanta CFUG we had a really well-informed speaker, a long-time CFer who has done a lot of work with redeployment of CF and Railo servers to Amazon's cloud offering. I'm hoping to have him present his talk on the Online CFMeetup sometime soon. It was really well-received. In the meantime, Steve, his name is Jeremy Bruck, and he does consulting to help people move to the cloud. I'm sure he'd welcome you reaching out to see how he can help (i...@growstrategy.com). /charlie -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:10 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Amazon EC2 hosting services viability I have been looking at the EC2 services and trying to work out if it is cost effective or not and so far it is coming way short. I am running windows servers and based on the calculator at http://calculator.s3.amazonaws.com/calc5.html is will cost between $450 and $500 per month per instance to host, plus an extra $50ish for data. I have a rack with 7 servers and a few VMs running other services, so based on those numbers, to move my whole network into the cloud it will cost me over $6,000.00 to move my network into the cloud. So i guess the question is, where do the savings come from? Just from bandwith? I appreciate there is the whole on demand elastic side of it but from a cost-benefit perspective, is it really worth it? Has anyone done the move and actually found cost benefits? Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
