Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart

[christophe albrech]

Hey Charlie,

Instead of having a just list of things, have you considered making it a
little app where developers can comment and rate each item like the review
system on amazon? Maybe even a rating system like ebay with 3-5 rows of
star (price, ease of use, responsiveness...) That might give it a bit more
traction, especially if you can order items by category and rating. Fuck
dude, make it a mobile app ;-)

Don't go thinking people don't appreciate your efforts buddy, I'm sure
everyone on here's either watched some of your recorded preso, or clicked
on a link on cf411 (which is a poor name I think, because no one outside of
the US would have a goddamn idea what 411 refers to, let alone remember
it). do you have google analytics on it, so you can see who goes there and
how often?

Cheers,

Tof

P.S.: Sorry about all the swearing. This is Oz, that's what we do :-D



On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:30 AM, charlie arehart  wrote:

> Thanks, Brett. That’s an…interesting…way to look at it. :-) I suppose I
> see that benefit.
>
> And if at least others did mention it when such questions came up, I’d be
> happy to see that. Otherwise it seems I’m usually the only one (on this and
> other lists), even when I wait a couple of days to see if anyone else does.
> That’s a bit disheartening—and may even make some think that no one else
> knows or cares about it. I appreciate your (and Peter’s) kind regards then
> all the more.
>
> As for your appreciating that you hear from others offering alternatives
> when someone asks if there are any, I’ll note this: certainly if someone
> asks folks to share their experience working with alternatives (not just
> “what are alternatives”), then that’s when it makes sense for folks to
> share individual alternatives, with added opinion, since I don’t offer that
> on the category lists.
>
> But when someone just asks, “what are alternatives for x”, it would just
> be nice to see someone point out (in addition to any they may favor) that
> “you can find more alternatives in that category at cf411.com”. :-) Not
> everyone reads every message in every thread, so I’m sure there are always
> some who would not already know about it. Thanks for letting me vent  for a
> minute, folks. :-)
>
> /charlie
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Brett Payne-Rhodes
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:59 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
>
> ** **
>
> For myself at least there is a huge finge benefit to people NOT going
> directly to CF411.com and that is that I get to hear and learn about these
> really useful tools before I actually need them... Plus I get reminded
> about the site as well.
>
> Thanks for the great resource Charlie. It might not be top-of-mind but it
> is definitely appreciated.
>
> B)
>
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Re: [cfaussie] Re: Convert cf date to milliseconds since the epoch?

[christophe albrech]

At my work, we even have custom ones. When people whinge, we say they
scrunch because frowning makes their face look like a scrunchie (
http://www.fancypocket.sg/images/P/703998P.jpg).

There's also this one girl who scrunches all the time and has massive...
well, you know. We call her Whine-rack.

Tof

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Andrew Myers  wrote:

> I use them interchangeably Charlie.  It even together.  My kids are so
> good at it they 'whinge and whine' all day!
>
> Sent from my mobile
>
> On 16/02/2012, at 2:21 PM, "charlie arehart" 
> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, leave such whining to me. :-) Thinking of my note earlier today.
> > Groan. Sorry 'bout that, folks.
> >
> > Actually, don't you guys say "whinging" anyway? :-)
> >
> > /charlie
> >
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Andrew Myers
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 9:02 PM
> >> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: Convert cf date to milliseconds since the
> >> epoch?
> >>
> >> I think I'll just do what i was initially trying to do and write a
> >> function that creates a Java date and be done with it.
> >>
> >> In fact if I'd have stopped whining and just written the damn thing id
> >> be on to the next problem by now :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On 16/02/2012, at 12:43 PM, "Steve Onnis" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> CreateDate() ?
> >
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RE: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart

[charlie arehart]

Thanks, Christophe. Yes, I have long wanted to improve the CF411 site to be
more than just a long list. I mention that in the 2nd paragraph-meaning, I'm
well aware of the opps for improvement. :-)

"I look to improve this interface over time, adding RSS feeds for when I
add/change items, perhaps enabling comments per tool/resource, etc. We'll
see."

The good news is that this work is in fact underway. Can't say when, but it
will eventually be very different and I hope therefore to be more effective
(I should add to that list, social networking integration to make it easier
for others to share their observations about it to others, etc.) A mobile
app is an interesting idea, sure. Thanks for that. Will be much easier after
a redesign. I also hope to have separate landing pages per category and
tool-which may also help with SEO, as well as to then add better searching.

Thanks for the general encouragement about my resources. 

As for the fact that 411 is not a universal concept, it's a fair point but
I'm not sure I want to rebrand now. I kind of hope that most in the CF world
would at least be familiar with the term, since so much else about CF has
tended to be US-centric (for better or worse). 

As for analytics, honestly, I don't bother with them. I have in the past,
but I suspect like most people, I'd look at it, think, "that's interesting",
and move on, not knowing much I can do with the info. I suppose you're
saying that if I saw that lots of people were visiting, that should give me
some comfort about its reach, and that may well do so. But my point here in
this thread was really about how few people seem to mention it, when the
specific questions of "what are alternatives for x" come up. It just seems
that unless people spread the word, it would remain a domain of the
cognoscenti. :-) 

But back to your original points, yes, perhaps if I improve both the look
and feel, add RSS feeds, make it easier to sharing things on social
networking, etc., that will help make it more visible.

/charlie

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of christophe albrech
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:48 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart

 

Hey Charlie,

Instead of having a just list of things, have you considered making it a
little app where developers can comment and rate each item like the review
system on amazon? Maybe even a rating system like ebay with 3-5 rows of star
(price, ease of use, responsiveness...) That might give it a bit more
traction, especially if you can order items by category and rating. Fuck
dude, make it a mobile app ;-)

Don't go thinking people don't appreciate your efforts buddy, I'm sure
everyone on here's either watched some of your recorded preso, or clicked on
a link on cf411 (which is a poor name I think, because no one outside of the
US would have a goddamn idea what 411 refers to, let alone remember it). do
you have google analytics on it, so you can see who goes there and how
often?

Cheers,

Tof

P.S.: Sorry about all the swearing. This is Oz, that's what we do :-D

 

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[cfaussie] Re: MAD! Melbourne Adobe Developers Meeting Feb 16 2012 StageWebView (AIR), Backbone (JS)

[Dale Fraser]

We are having trouble reliable streaming the pizza, once we resolve
this issue, then we will go live every month.

Until then the only way to get the pizza is to come down to the event.

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[cfaussie] Re: MAD! Melbourne Adobe Developers Meeting Feb 16 2012 StageWebView (AIR), Backbone (JS)

[Rawdyn]

Fair point Dale. Last time I saw someone attempting to stream pizza it
was not pretty.

:P

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RE: [cfaussie] Re: MAD! Melbourne Adobe Developers Meeting Feb 16 2012 StageWebView (AIR), Backbone (JS)

[Steve Onnis]

Take my word for it.  When pizza is streaming, the upstream defiantly looks
a lot different to the downstream


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Fair point Dale. Last time I saw someone attempting to stream pizza it was
not pretty.

:P

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[cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[MossyBlog]

Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)

Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it
out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've
acquired over the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what
all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons.

Mach-II? or did i just show my age.

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: MAD! Melbourne Adobe Developers Meeting Feb 16 2012 StageWebView (AIR), Backbone (JS)

[Bill Moniz]

That's due to the massive fragmentation in the process.

On 17 February 2012 12:12, Steve Onnis  wrote:

> Take my word for it.  When pizza is streaming, the upstream defiantly looks
> a lot different to the downstream
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rawdyn [mailto:raw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012 11:43 AM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] Re: MAD! Melbourne Adobe Developers Meeting Feb 16
> 2012
> StageWebView (AIR), Backbone (JS)
>
> Fair point Dale. Last time I saw someone attempting to stream pizza it was
> not pretty.
>
> :P
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Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Andrew Myers]

What languages / frameworks have you been using in the meantime?
Possibly that's worth taking into account.

That aside, FW/1 is definitely worth a look.  http://fw1.riaforge.org/

Regards,
Andrew.

On 4 February 2012 13:55, MossyBlog  wrote:
> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
>
> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it
> out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've
> acquired over the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what
> all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons.
>
> Mach-II? or did i just show my age.
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RE: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Adam Chapman]

Coldfusion on Wheels is my personal fave.. www.cfwheels.org

Inspired by Ruby on Rails..

Regards,
Adam


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Andrew Myers
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012 12:44 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

What languages / frameworks have you been using in the meantime?
Possibly that's worth taking into account.

That aside, FW/1 is definitely worth a look.  http://fw1.riaforge.org/

Regards,
Andrew.

On 4 February 2012 13:55, MossyBlog  wrote:
> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
>
> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it
> out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've
> acquired over the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what
> all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons.
>
> Mach-II? or did i just show my age.
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Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Kai Koenig]

I suppose it depends.

Fusebox, MachII, ColdBox, FW/1 etc… all out there.

My mantra is: Choose a framework that fits to the project, the client and the 
team. There you go. I don't care what the cool kids are using - that might or 
might not be the right thing.

Cheers
Kai

> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
> 
> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it
> out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've
> acquired over the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what
> all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons.
> 
> Mach-II? or did i just show my age.
> 

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Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[AJ Mercer]

>From Mr Arehart's collection
 http://www.carehart.org/cf411/#cffw_app


On 4 February 2012 10:55, MossyBlog  wrote:

> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
>
> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it
> out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've
> acquired over the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what
> all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons.
>
> Mach-II? or did i just show my age.
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Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Zac Spitzer]

Coldbox has great doco

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM, AJ Mercer  wrote:
> From Mr Arehart's collection
>      http://www.carehart.org/cf411/#cffw_app
>
>
> On 4 February 2012 10:55, MossyBlog  wrote:
>>
>> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
>>
>> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it
>> out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've
>> acquired over the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what
>> all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons.
>>
>> Mach-II? or did i just show my age.
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Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Dennis Clark]

As others have said there are plenty of CF frameworks to choose from. One
that hasn't been mentioned yet is FarCry. As a CMS it works well, but one
non-scientific study found a strong correlation between prolonged exposure
to FarCry and excessive use of expletives such as f**k, c**k, and
dogr***er. The study was unable to prove or disprove causation, but
recommends developers exposed to FarCry exercise caution and be on the
lookout for these known symptoms.

Hope that helps,

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On Feb 17, 2012 12:36 PM, "MossyBlog"  wrote:

> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
>
> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it
> out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've
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> all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons.
>
> Mach-II? or did i just show my age.
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Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Zac Spitzer]

does FarCry still revolve around millions of GUID's ?

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Dennis Clark  wrote:
> As others have said there are plenty of CF frameworks to choose from. One
> that hasn't been mentioned yet is FarCry. As a CMS it works well, but one
> non-scientific study found a strong correlation between prolonged exposure
> to FarCry and excessive use of expletives such as f**k, c**k, and dogr***er.
> The study was unable to prove or disprove causation, but recommends
> developers exposed to FarCry exercise caution and be on the lookout for
> these known symptoms.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> -- Dennis
>
> On Feb 17, 2012 12:36 PM, "MossyBlog"  wrote:
>>
>> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
>>
>> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it
>> out again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've
>> acquired over the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what
>> all the cool kids are using with regards to CF after market addons.
>>
>> Mach-II? or did i just show my age.
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RE: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[charlie arehart]

Thank you, AJ. And if it's not clear, that's the URL that gets redirected to
from the easier to use www.cf411.com/cffw_app.  :-)

 

/charlie

 

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>From Mr Arehart's collection

 http://www.carehart.org/cf411/#cffw_app 

 

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RE: [cfaussie] Re: MAD! Melbourne Adobe Developers Meeting Feb 16 2012 StageWebView (AIR), Backbone (JS)

[Dale Fraser]

It means you need more bandwidth. All issues we need to resolve.

 

Regards

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http://learncf.com

http://flexcf.com

 

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2012 StageWebView (AIR), Backbone (JS)

 

That's due to the massive fragmentation in the process.

On 17 February 2012 12:12, Steve Onnis  wrote:

Take my word for it.  When pizza is streaming, the upstream defiantly looks
a lot different to the downstream



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StageWebView (AIR), Backbone (JS)

Fair point Dale. Last time I saw someone attempting to stream pizza it was
not pretty.

:P

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RE: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Dale Fraser]

I'd recommend no framework.

Frameworks are for people who don't know what they are doing :P

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Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)

Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it out
again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've acquired over the
years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what all the cool kids are
using with regards to CF after market addons.

Mach-II? or did i just show my age.

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Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart

[christophe albrech]

Ah ok. Sorry your quote must be from a previous email and I had only read
the latest one.

 As for 411, I understand that it is too late now to rebrand, but I don't
entirely agree with the following assumption:  "I kind of hope that most in
the CF world would at least be familiar with the term". I grew up in
France, have lived in Australia for nearly 10 years, and spend about 1.5
years in the US in the middle. Still, when I read your email yesterday I
had to look up 411. I'll go further, I have no idea what the number is here
either. My phone's got google, so why waste my time talking to someone :-)

Finally, yes that's what I meant with google analytics. Have you also
considered the fact that people don't mention your site because they are
well aware you spend time on various mailing list and are most likely to
chime in anyway?


On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:16 AM, charlie arehart  wrote:

> Thanks, Christophe. Yes, I have long wanted to improve the CF411 site to
> be more than just a long list. I mention that in the 2ndparagraph—meaning, 
> I’m well aware of the opps for improvement. :-)
>

> “I look to improve this interface over time, adding RSS feeds for when I
> add/change items, perhaps enabling comments per tool/resource, etc. We'll
> see.”
>
> The good news is that this work is in fact underway. Can’t say when, but
> it will eventually be very different and I hope therefore to be more
> effective (I should add to that list, social networking integration to make
> it easier for others to share their observations about it to others, etc.)
> A mobile app is an interesting idea, sure. Thanks for that. Will be much
> easier after a redesign. I also hope to have separate landing pages per
> category and tool—which may also help with SEO, as well as to then add
> better searching.
>
> Thanks for the general encouragement about my resources.
>
> As for the fact that 411 is not a universal concept, it’s a fair point but
> I’m not sure I want to rebrand now. I kind of hope that most in the CF
> world would at least be familiar with the term, since so much else about CF
> has tended to be US-centric (for better or worse).
>
> As for analytics, honestly, I don’t bother with them. I have in the past,
> but I suspect like most people, I’d look at it, think, “that’s
> interesting”, and move on, not knowing much I can do with the info. I
> suppose you’re saying that if I saw that lots of people were visiting, that
> should give me some comfort about its reach, and that may well do so. But
> my point here in this thread was really about how few people seem to
> mention it, when the specific questions of “what are alternatives for x”
> come up. It just seems that unless people spread the word, it would remain
> a domain of the cognoscenti. :-)
>
> But back to your original points, yes, perhaps if I improve both the look
> and feel, add RSS feeds, make it easier to sharing things on social
> networking, etc., that will help make it more visible.
>
> /charlie
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *christophe albrech
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2012 4:48 AM
>
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Re: cfchart
>
> ** **
>
> Hey Charlie,
>
>
> Instead of having a just list of things, have you considered making it a
> little app where developers can comment and rate each item like the review
> system on amazon? Maybe even a rating system like ebay with 3-5 rows of
> star (price, ease of use, responsiveness...) That might give it a bit more
> traction, especially if you can order items by category and rating. Fuck
> dude, make it a mobile app ;-)
>
> Don't go thinking people don't appreciate your efforts buddy, I'm sure
> everyone on here's either watched some of your recorded preso, or clicked
> on a link on cf411 (which is a poor name I think, because no one outside of
> the US would have a goddamn idea what 411 refers to, let alone remember
> it). do you have google analytics on it, so you can see who goes there and
> how often?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tof
>
> P.S.: Sorry about all the swearing. This is Oz, that's what we do :-D
>
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Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Mark Mandel]

Thanks Dale.

Apparently I have no idea what I'm doing.

Mark

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Dale Fraser  wrote:

> I'd recommend no framework.
>
> Frameworks are for people who don't know what they are doing :P
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
> http://cfmldocs.com
> http://learncf.com
> http://flexcf.com
>
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> Subject: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.
>
> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
>
> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it out
> again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've acquired over
> the
> years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what all the cool kids are
> using with regards to CF after market addons.
>
> Mach-II? or did i just show my age.
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RE: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Adam Chapman]

@Dale: Frameworks are for people who don't know what they are doing :P

Or for those who invent wheels for fun..

Documentation is overrated too ;)

Regards,
Adam


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I'd recommend no framework.

Frameworks are for people who don't know what they are doing :P

Regards
Dale Fraser

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http://cfmldocs.com
http://learncf.com
http://flexcf.com

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Subject: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)

Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it out again 
feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've acquired over the years. 
That being said, I'm also keen to see what all the cool kids are using with 
regards to CF after market addons.

Mach-II? or did i just show my age.

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Re: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Mark Mandel]

Oh yeah - and what sort of framework?

Model-View-Controller, Dependency Injection, ORM ?

What sort of application? What sort of frameworks are you used to? etc etc.

Mark

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Adam Chapman  wrote:

> @Dale: Frameworks are for people who don't know what they are doing :P
>
> Or for those who invent wheels for fun..
>
> Documentation is overrated too ;)
>
> Regards,
> Adam
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Dale Fraser
> Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012 2:52 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.
>
> I'd recommend no framework.
>
> Frameworks are for people who don't know what they are doing :P
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
> http://cfmldocs.com
> http://learncf.com
> http://flexcf.com
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of MossyBlog
> Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 9:56 PM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] Recommendations for a CF Framework.
>
> Firstly, kudos for sticking it out with CF all these years! :)
>
> Secondly, I'm keen to brush the dust off my old CF skills and try it out
> again feeling more armed in the plethora of languages I've acquired over
> the years. That being said, I'm also keen to see what all the cool kids are
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[cfaussie] Re: Recommendations for a CF Framework.

[Dale Fraser]

Well,

I'm only 1/2 serious however.

Find a framework that has more than 5 developers (so that you know it
will be supported and maintained)
Find one that has been around and used for 5 years (so that you know
it has longevity)
Find one that at least (25% of ColdFusion developers will already
know)

And when you find it let me know, because I'm still looking.

Or pick a popular one that everyone is using today that's been written
by one person and not many people understand

Then train your staff to use it and be prepared to rewrite your
application in 2 years.

Friday rant over (Sorry Peter Tilbrook I stole your job)

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