Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Brett Payne-Rhodes]

Six months ago you could have tempted me to move to Melbourne from Perth.
As it is now however I was tempted to Europe instead, now working in The
Hague - just don't mention the weather... :)

B)


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Dave  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers
> left in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).
>
> We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written
> "enterprise" (ie, complex, framework driven) applications.
>
>
> dave
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RE: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Dale Fraser]

Doesn’t surprise me, I know there are lots using it that I don’t know of.

 

I see lots of cf sites and wonder who is developing this.

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Andrew Scott]

See that is the thing Dale, your experience is different to the next.

I know of 7 companies just in the last 3 years alone, who couldn't get
developers and have emailed me. When I ask them what version they are
using, so I can ask around, I almost fall over backwards when they say
ColdFusion 5.


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RE: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Dale Fraser]

Not sure I agree with that,

 

I haven’t come across any companies using CF5 for a very long time, most are 8 
or 9.

 

Still there are lot of spaghetti applications out there good developers don’t 
want to work on and a lot of spaghetti developers that good companies don’t 
want.

 

cfaussie is more a social group these days, questions are generally saved for 
stackoverflow and the likes.

 

But there really are a lot more companies and people out there, however in 
reality it’s only a fraction of other technologies.

 

PS: If it make you feel any better, finding Ruby On Rails developers isn’t any 
easier.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew Scott
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 12:47 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

 

It has been my experience that those finding it difficult to get developers, 
are themselves using older version of ColdFusion, mainly version 5. And that is 
a problem in itself... Not saying this is that case here, but something to 
consider.

 

And personally the money usually on offer for developing on these systems, is 
like a kick in the teeth for developers.
  




Regards,

Andrew Scott

WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au  /

Google+:    
http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411

 

 

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[cfaussie] Thunder and Splendor Public Betas

[Chris Velevitch]

Coldfusion Thunder (CF11) and Splendor (CF Builder) public betas are
available now on labs[1].


[1] http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/coldfusion/


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Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Lucas]

yep, there are still a few of us around...
the challenge has always been 'which stone to look under'

* Seek and the like are full of the new toys, PHP, Rails and a bit of .net
* The CFUGs of old have long since disappeared.. 

Even CFaussie has seen better days...

but there are a few of us around.

Dave? what specifically are you looking for? I may know a few peeps that 
are kicking around that want a flash back to the 'good old days'

cheers,
Lucas.

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:45:59 AM UTC+11, Mark Mandel wrote:
>
> There you go, shows how much I'm connected these days ;)
>
> Sent from my mobile doohickey
> On 26/02/2014 8:44 AM, "Dale Fraser" > 
> wrote:
>
>> There are heaps,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I personally know 30+ all employed but put an add up on seek and you will 
>> find the ones that aren’t happy.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Dale Fraser
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* cfau...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
>> cfau...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Mark Mandel
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 February 2014 8:43 AM
>> *To:* cfau...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia
>>
>>  
>>
>> I can only think of one off the top my head (not me).  Have you been to a 
>> recent MAD meetup? That's probably your best bet for finding new talent, I 
>> would think.
>>
>> Sent from my mobile doohickey
>>
>> On 26/02/2014 7:48 AM, "Dave" > wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers 
>> left in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).
>>
>>  
>>
>> We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written 
>> "enterprise" (ie, complex, framework driven) applications.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> dave
>>
>>  
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Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Andrew Scott]

It has been my experience that those finding it difficult to get
developers, are themselves using older version of ColdFusion, mainly
version 5. And that is a problem in itself... Not saying this is that case
here, but something to consider.

And personally the money usually on offer for developing on these systems,
is like a kick in the teeth for developers.


Regards,
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RE: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Dale Fraser]

Well said Mike,

 

There are loads of 40+ great web developers out there, so you are not alone.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike K
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 9:04 AM
To: cfaussie
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

 

I'm guessing a lot of us got sick of the daily grind of finding people who
would pay for our skills and went off on our own projects.  I dont look for
contracting work any more - sometimes it comes my way, but I'm just not
interested in talking to whippersnappers who think cos i"m over 40 years old
I must be stupid and incapable of understanding the interweb.   I built my
first web site in 1996,  and I spend about a third of my time learning, just
like everyone else, and I stay up with current techniques, just like
everyone else,   but unlike the whippersnappers, I have a few miles on the
clock and know a bit about how to sell things and communication. 

 

But try telling that to someone aged 25 who is barely out of short pants.
They rate you on what kind of tie you are wearing at the interview, and ask
questions like '.. and where do you see yourself in 5 years?'.   Or the
total stupido- "what do you think is your weakest quality?"(to which I'm
thinking .."Do you want an experienced programmer or dont you?   and for how
long?  months or years?   I'm not looking for a career here - just to do the
job you want done.  When you call a plumber to fix your sink, do you ask him
what his career aspirations are?")

 

That's why I'm not in the market any more.

 

I'm still using ColdFusion a lot, and I'm building some pretty sophisticated
applications, and maintaining some pretty sophisticated web  sites.   I cant
remember the last time I tried to sell anyone on ColdFusion over other
technologies.  Few of my clients care a damn.  They talk about the end
result web site,  not the technology used to build it.

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Mark Mandel mailto:mark.man...@gmail.com> > wrote:

On 26/02/2014 7:48 AM, "Dave" mailto:davidame...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi there,

 

I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers left
in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).

 

We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written "enterprise"
(ie, complex, framework driven) applications.

 

 

dave

 

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Eliseo Dannunzio]

Hi Dave, senior-level CF developer in Sydney… Unfortunately because I have
ties up here I wouldn't be of much use for any jobs in Melbourne...

I'll check my list of contacts and see if any of them may be in Melbourne
and let you know...

Regards, Eliseo

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014, Dave  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers
> left in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).
>
> We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written
> "enterprise" (ie, complex, framework driven) applications.
>
>
> dave
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Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Mike K]

I'm guessing a lot of us got sick of the daily grind of finding people who
would pay for our skills and went off on our own projects.  I dont look for
contracting work any more - sometimes it comes my way, but I'm just not
interested in talking to whippersnappers who think cos i"m over 40 years
old I must be stupid and incapable of understanding the interweb.   I built
my first web site in 1996,  and I spend about a third of my time learning,
just like everyone else, and I stay up with current techniques, just like
everyone else,   but unlike the whippersnappers, I have a few miles on the
clock and know a bit about how to sell things and communication.

But try telling that to someone aged 25 who is barely out of short pants.
 They rate you on what kind of tie you are wearing at the interview, and
ask questions like '.. and where do you see yourself in 5 years?'.   Or the
total stupido- "what do you think is your weakest quality?"(to which
I'm thinking .."Do you want an experienced programmer or dont you?   and
for how long?  months or years?   I'm not looking for a career here - just
to do the job you want done.  When you call a plumber to fix your sink, do
you ask him what his career aspirations are?")

That's why I'm not in the market any more.

I'm still using ColdFusion a lot, and I'm building some pretty
sophisticated applications, and maintaining some pretty sophisticated web
 sites.   I cant remember the last time I tried to sell anyone on
ColdFusion over other technologies.  Few of my clients care a damn.  They
talk about the end result web site,  not the technology used to build it.




On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Mark Mandel  wrote:
>
> On 26/02/2014 7:48 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers
>> left in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).
>>
>> We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written
>> "enterprise" (ie, complex, framework driven) applications.
>>
>>
>> dave
>>
>>
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Windsor, NSW, Australia
Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer
AFP Webworks
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RE: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Dale Fraser]

There are several companies with lots of CF developers in Melbounre

 

CogState

NGA.NET

Thomson Reuters

On The House

IMGSTG

 

And probably lots im unaware of.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 8:46 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

 

There you go, shows how much I'm connected these days ;)

Sent from my mobile doohickey

On 26/02/2014 8:44 AM, "Dale Fraser" mailto:d...@fraser.id.au> > wrote:

There are heaps,

 

I personally know 30+ all employed but put an add up on seek and you will
find the ones that aren't happy.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com  ] On
Behalf Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 8:43 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

 

I can only think of one off the top my head (not me).  Have you been to a
recent MAD meetup? That's probably your best bet for finding new talent, I
would think.

Sent from my mobile doohickey

On 26/02/2014 7:48 AM, "Dave" mailto:davidame...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi there,

 

I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers left
in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).

 

We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written "enterprise"
(ie, complex, framework driven) applications.

 

 

dave

 

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RE: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Mark Mandel]

There you go, shows how much I'm connected these days ;)

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On 26/02/2014 8:44 AM, "Dale Fraser"  wrote:

> There are heaps,
>
>
>
> I personally know 30+ all employed but put an add up on seek and you will
> find the ones that aren't happy.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Dale Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Mark Mandel
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 February 2014 8:43 AM
> *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia
>
>
>
> I can only think of one off the top my head (not me).  Have you been to a
> recent MAD meetup? That's probably your best bet for finding new talent, I
> would think.
>
> Sent from my mobile doohickey
>
> On 26/02/2014 7:48 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
>
>
> I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers
> left in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).
>
>
>
> We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written
> "enterprise" (ie, complex, framework driven) applications.
>
>
>
>
>
> dave
>
>
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RE: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Dale Fraser]

There are heaps,

 

I personally know 30+ all employed but put an add up on seek and you will
find the ones that aren't happy.

 

Regards

Dale Fraser

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2014 8:43 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

 

I can only think of one off the top my head (not me).  Have you been to a
recent MAD meetup? That's probably your best bet for finding new talent, I
would think.

Sent from my mobile doohickey

On 26/02/2014 7:48 AM, "Dave" mailto:davidame...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi there,

 

I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers left
in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).

 

We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written "enterprise"
(ie, complex, framework driven) applications.

 

 

dave

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Mark Mandel]

I can only think of one off the top my head (not me).  Have you been to a
recent MAD meetup? That's probably your best bet for finding new talent, I
would think.

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On 26/02/2014 7:48 AM, "Dave"  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers
> left in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).
>
> We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written
> "enterprise" (ie, complex, framework driven) applications.
>
>
> dave
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[cfaussie] Are there any mid-snr CF devs left in Australia

[Dave]

Hi there,

I was wondering if there are any mid-senior level ColdFusion developers 
left in Australia (specifically, Melbourne).

We are finding is really tough to hire people that have written 
"enterprise" (ie, complex, framework driven) applications.


dave

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