[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew Scott wrote: > However, if someone wishes to get CF running on Vista now and spend the > heartache that Adobe are going to do eventually that's all fine. After all > it is their time that they are using up to have this play. Ah well, consider the heartache spent, got it working nicely here now. Mark or I can post some results if there is any interest ;) Breif notes here: http://forums.iis.net/thread/1334484.aspx --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Ok I did say correct me if I am wrong, and you did do that:-) What I got confused with was the road map said business and made the assumption of the server being released first. I think that is interesting that businesses will get Vista before the average folk, wonder what marketing strategy M$ have there? All beta software is good to have a play with sooner than later, but in all reality unless you have the time to sit down and play and play and play then its not something a company like Adobe/Macromedia would do, as stated because it is beta and things could change, I know for one I would not waste time in developing my next release on a beta version, and waste my money to recode the changes because the RC changed the way things worked. It's just common sense, from a business perspective and we can't change that. However, if someone wishes to get CF running on Vista now and spend the heartache that Adobe are going to do eventually that's all fine. After all it is their time that they are using up to have this play. My comments earlier are based on the fact that I installed Vista as a VM, and as a separate boot option because it as a VM I can just delete the files if I have too, and as separate boot option I still have the ability to go back to a normal development environment. In no way was I being funny, or having a go at Mark, except to be realistic in his expectations. I went through the same thing when M$ sql server 2005 was in beta, and to this day the native adobe DB drivers still do not support Sql server 2005 as I stated. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Its not negative Its great to see people who have the time to do this stuff and find out what works and what doesn't. Its a benefit to everyone -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Justin Carter Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:47 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista? Andrew Scott wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong but I did read that the server version of Vista > would be released before the workstation version. Vista will be out at least 6 months before Windows Server 2007 (currently slated as 2H 2007), and Vista's IIS7 won't be a "crippled" version at all as far as I know. I find it very interesting playing with IIS7 sooner rather than later, and I'm already liking the product in it's current beta form, even though I haven't got CF working with it yet. Just because you guys don't have time or don't want to look at IIS7 yet doesn't mean it's a bad idea. If you're happy to have other people do the work for you then thats fine. But how about keeping this thread on topic? i.e. discussing getting it working, not ragging out on people who are at least willing to give it a go. The negative comments don't help at all so you're just wasting your time replying... Haven't you got work to do? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew Scott wrote: > Correct me if I am wrong but I did read that the server version of Vista > would be released before the workstation version. Vista will be out at least 6 months before Windows Server 2007 (currently slated as 2H 2007), and Vista's IIS7 won't be a "crippled" version at all as far as I know. I find it very interesting playing with IIS7 sooner rather than later, and I'm already liking the product in it's current beta form, even though I haven't got CF working with it yet. Just because you guys don't have time or don't want to look at IIS7 yet doesn't mean it's a bad idea. If you're happy to have other people do the work for you then thats fine. But how about keeping this thread on topic? i.e. discussing getting it working, not ragging out on people who are at least willing to give it a go. The negative comments don't help at all so you're just wasting your time replying... Haven't you got work to do? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Steve, Correct me if I am wrong but I did read that the server version of Vista would be released before the workstation version. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
That said Why would they even bother putting effort into getting it to work on a desktop machine. It is server software after all. Until a new windows server OS comes out, I would not be holding my breath for Adobe to be doing any work to get the installer to work on Vista. Unless your planing on putting a server in your rack with vista running on it? Steve -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Andrew Scott Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:02 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista? Mark, Ok your points are valid, and serious I mean that you would be more aware that as Windows Vista is in Beta it is best not to even try to get this to work, but hey if you do that's good. My experience with Macromedia/adobe is simple at best, I know that they still do not have a native SQL 2005 driver for CF as yet, and how long has that now been out? And the only way to connect to SQL Server 2005 is to use M$ JDBC drivers and use the other option when connection to the database. Unless I am missing something here:-) Now with that history out of the way, and I would be the same if it was me too when it comes to CF, Beta software means that things can and will change, but when it reaches Release Candidate then that becomes a different story because at that point it will only be bug fixes only, M$ have worked this way all there Windows history and all developers do not tend to be serious about software for Vista until this stage, not that they aren't looking into it, but it will not be as serious as you might think. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Mark, Ok your points are valid, and serious I mean that you would be more aware that as Windows Vista is in Beta it is best not to even try to get this to work, but hey if you do that's good. My experience with Macromedia/adobe is simple at best, I know that they still do not have a native SQL 2005 driver for CF as yet, and how long has that now been out? And the only way to connect to SQL Server 2005 is to use M$ JDBC drivers and use the other option when connection to the database. Unless I am missing something here:-) Now with that history out of the way, and I would be the same if it was me too when it comes to CF, Beta software means that things can and will change, but when it reaches Release Candidate then that becomes a different story because at that point it will only be bug fixes only, M$ have worked this way all there Windows history and all developers do not tend to be serious about software for Vista until this stage, not that they aren't looking into it, but it will not be as serious as you might think. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
>From experience the ColdFusion team is slow to respond to such issues. Give it another 6 months before relying on them for an update :) Sounds like the installer is not compatible with Vista. You could try: a) Installing it on a non-vista machine then transferring files and reg keys over (dodgy) b) J2EE deployment - creating a package from a working copy and installing it on a J2EE server c) Looking up issues with new Vista dlls/mfcs and try to find a workaround It's pretty normal for CF only to work on 50% of installations anyway (from my "unusual" experiences) - even if the installer works you might have to spend hours stuffing around with config files to get it working as it should. Yes I am getting cynical.. Now if I can only remember where I put that free copy of Visual studio.. Joel By the way I think it's great that you're trying this out and telling us about it. At least it saves the rest of us a bit of time and trouble. Sharing is caring, after all. -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:39 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista? Andrew, Ok so let me get this straight. What your implying is: a)Because I'm trying to do something new/different, I'm not a serious developer (despite holding that position for the last 8 1/2 years) b)I didn't use VS/VPC/VMware etc, so I failed to take the smartest route. Despite already doing this and finding that video performance was woeful if running remotely. I didn't see the point in mentioning this as it had nothing to do with my original post. I do agree with some of the comments you make, like "developers don't have that much time". But I'm sure I'm not the first developer to get sick of/frustrated with what they are doing and so find something else to do as a distraction. Or have a day off work and still use one of their work notebooks at home to play with beta software. I do find it hard to believe that despite Vista only being 6 months (give or take a few months) away, that no one at Adobe/MM has ever tried installing CF on Vista. I'm not saying your wrong, just that it is a worry if that is the case. As I have already found tonight, the comments elsewhere on the net about the x86 version of the installer not being able to ever complete on Vista (with or without errors) is completely untrue. I've found that by dropping the settings back on the installer exe to only run in 256 colour mode, and disable themes etc, that the installer will now run all the way through (and without any errors). This is exactly the same bug the installer had when remotely installing on Server 2003 when it first came out. Doesn't require a patch/updater as long as people are aware of what the issue is. That said, I do agree that installing CF with IIS7 with definitely require a patch (or more than likely, completely new installer) before it is attempted by anyone not willing/able to get their hands dirty. Have a good night/morning. Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew, Ok so let me get this straight. What your implying is: a)Because I'm trying to do something new/different, I'm not a serious developer (despite holding that position for the last 8 1/2 years) b)I didn't use VS/VPC/VMware etc, so I failed to take the smartest route. Despite already doing this and finding that video performance was woeful if running remotely. I didn't see the point in mentioning this as it had nothing to do with my original post. I do agree with some of the comments you make, like "developers don't have that much time". But I'm sure I'm not the first developer to get sick of/frustrated with what they are doing and so find something else to do as a distraction. Or have a day off work and still use one of their work notebooks at home to play with beta software. I do find it hard to believe that despite Vista only being 6 months (give or take a few months) away, that no one at Adobe/MM has ever tried installing CF on Vista. I'm not saying your wrong, just that it is a worry if that is the case. As I have already found tonight, the comments elsewhere on the net about the x86 version of the installer not being able to ever complete on Vista (with or without errors) is completely untrue. I've found that by dropping the settings back on the installer exe to only run in 256 colour mode, and disable themes etc, that the installer will now run all the way through (and without any errors). This is exactly the same bug the installer had when remotely installing on Server 2003 when it first came out. Doesn't require a patch/updater as long as people are aware of what the issue is. That said, I do agree that installing CF with IIS7 with definitely require a patch (or more than likely, completely new installer) before it is attempted by anyone not willing/able to get their hands dirty. Have a good night/morning. Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew Scott wrote: > That depends on which side of the fence your sitting on now isn't it? > > Senior Coldfusion Developer > Aegeon Pty. Ltd. > www.aegeon.com.au > Phone: +613 8676 4223 > Mobile: 0404 998 273 Ummm, no, it's probably more likely to depend on which side of the bed you got out of this morning. Have a nice evening. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
That depends on which side of the fence your sitting on now isn't it? Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew Scott wrote: > I have Vista running at home as a Virtual Machine on one workstation and > using a boot manager on another, that is the smartest thing to have done in > the first place. Installing Vista on a spare notebook isn't "smart"? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Mark, Because most serious developers wouldn't be doing what you are trying to do anyway, but good luck in your endeavours. I have Vista running at home as a Virtual Machine on one workstation and using a boot manager on another, that is the smartest thing to have done in the first place. Also as I stated in another post, Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe have never tested it on newer versions of IIS, but if it was apache or the inbuilt CF web server then that is a different story. When windows 2003 Server was released CF did not run on that until Macromedia released a patch or an update to CF, this will be the same here as IIS7.0 was totally different to IIS6.0 as IIS6.0 was to IIS5.0. I was neither being funny nor having a dig at you, just that normally developers don't have that much time to do what you're doing. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Then I suggest contacting Adobe, I have beta tested many version of CF since 4.0 and I can tell you this that it is clear that the installer will not work under Vista, now the best bet would be to try to unpack it manually and get it going, but then you have the problem of the connectors not working under Vista. History has shown that unless a manufacturer releases an update nearly everything is broken as far as software goes for Vista and until it is a release candidate then really you shouldn't even be trying something like this. Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Hi Andrew, I'm still not sure if your reply was you just being funny or a genuine swipe at me. No where in my post did I mention this machine was a production machine or for that matter, my own workstation. It's on one of my notebooks. I'm well aware of the dangers of using beta (or god help me, alpha) versions of software. I'm also aware of the lack of support from the software manufactures, hence the reason for posting on this group. I just wanted to know if anyone else had any luck. Since posting, I've managed to get the multiserver version running well, but that isn't what I wanted (I'm playing with the 3.1 release of FarCry and want the IIRF ISAPI filter installed). I have gotten IIS7 to the point of directing cfm, cfc etc requests to a new ColdFusion module I created (pointing to the jrun dll) but can't get the service to start (have created the service using the CFservicecontroller app). Have reset permissions, checked config and licence details. Regardless of that, I think I'm starting to get close. I realise that I could just reformat this machine and use a different O/S version, but the whole point of the exercise was to see if it was possible as no one else seems to have it working. I guess it’s like sleeping with a virgin, there’s something about being the first Regards, Mark Picker Internet Developer - External Business Systems http://www.wit.tafensw.edu.au/ Regional ICT Unit TAFE NSW - Western Institute Direct Line : (02) 6885 7538 Institute Office : (02) 6885 7522 Fax Number : (02) 6884 3610 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Andrew Scott wrote: > Mark, > > This is why they call it beta software. Vista is a completely different > operating system compared to the previous versions of windows. And having > said that, things like ZeroG installers etc will need to release newer > versions for Vista, but as Vista is around 6-10 months away from release > don't expect any support for something that is still in beta. > > Oh, did I mention that Vista is Beta and it always states do not use as a > primary workstation of something you need to rely on, but of course you read > all the TOS, and beta notes didn't you? Beta software is also there to be tested. Mark is clearly asking if anyone has had some success installing CFMX7 on Vista, not complaining that it doesn't work... If someone has got it working I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate a small post to this list, myself included. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista?
Mark, This is why they call it beta software. Vista is a completely different operating system compared to the previous versions of windows. And having said that, things like ZeroG installers etc will need to release newer versions for Vista, but as Vista is around 6-10 months away from release don't expect any support for something that is still in beta. Oh, did I mention that Vista is Beta and it always states do not use as a primary workstation of something you need to rely on, but of course you read all the TOS, and beta notes didn't you? Senior Coldfusion Developer Aegeon Pty. Ltd. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 11:08 AM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Anyone got CFMX7 to install on Vista? Hi, I'm quickly losing my hair trying to get CFMX7 installed on Vista Beta 2 (Build 5456). Has anyone managed to do this? The installer looks a little screwy (boxes around options etc aren't drawn correctly) but still works as expected up till the last step after it confirms all the selected options. It goes to start the actual install of files, waits for 10 or so seconds and then just closes. No errors, no log files, no event logs - nothing! I've uninstalled all applications, 3rd party drivers etc so it's back to a fresh install of Vista, but still have the same problem. Have tried different types of installs (built-in web server, IIS, plus Jrun option, tried with RDS on and off etc) with the same end result. Also made sure to run the installer as an Administrator, but still no luck. Anyone have ideas? Just about had enough and ready to format and reinstall XP or Server 2003. Regards, Mark Picker --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
