[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-17 Thread George Lu
Darren,

Thanks for your advice. Actually my boss was quite interested to this thread but he insisted your guys are senior Cold Fusion developers and asked me to seek advice from independent players.
George

On 17/10/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Barry,I don't think kittens class as wildlife.I think the Australian environment would greatly benefit from vast
quantities of kittens being shipped out of Australia.I have visions of vast herds of Aussie school children combing alleys,backyards and bushland for any unguarded kittens and earning pocketmoney (and valuable export dollars) by shipping them to, according to
this page:http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittensctab=1geo=alldate=allNew Zealand, or even the UK.Google does make the world a happier place!
George,I'm hoping you can provide your Boss with a shortened version of thisthread pointing out just how unreliable the Google Trends tool is forbasing such an important business decision. He needs to realise that
these results do not indicate pages written in these languages. Itseems to be just the number of times those specific words (and they canbe way out of context too) are used in pages that Google has indexed.
Darren Tracey
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-17 Thread Dale Fraser








To get independent advice is hard.



You need to find someone who knows what both .NET
and CF are but dont use either.



Which probably means asking a Java or PHP person.



They will probably both say .NET for OO reasons, but
thats just a guess.



You should sit down and write some simple program in
CF  ASP.NET and print out the code (including the hidden code behind stuff
in .NET) and see which one he would rather pay someone to write.



Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au














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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion
trend?







Darren,











Thanks for your advice. Actually my boss was quite interested to this
thread but he insisted your guys are senior Cold Fusion developers and asked me to
seek advice from independent players. 

George











On 17/10/06, Darren
Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: 


Barry,

I don't think kittens class as wildlife.
I think the Australian environment would greatly benefit from vast 
quantities of kittens being shipped out of Australia.

I have visions of vast herds of Aussie school children combing alleys,
backyards and bushland for any unguarded kittens and earning pocket
money (and valuable export dollars) by shipping them to, according to 
this page:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittensctab=1geo=alldate=all
New Zealand, or even the UK.
Google does make the world a happier place! 

George,
I'm hoping you can provide your Boss with a shortened version of this
thread pointing out just how unreliable the Google Trends tool is for
basing such an important business decision. He needs to realise that 
these results do not indicate pages written in these languages. It
seems to be just the number of times those specific words (and they can
be way out of context too) are used in pages that Google has indexed.

Darren Tracey









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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-17 Thread George Lu
:(
On 18/10/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 but he insisted your guys are senior Cold Fusion developersheaven help his impression of us, then
On 10/18/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren, Thanks for your advice. Actually my boss was quite interested to this thread
 but he insisted your guys are senior Cold Fusion developers and asked me to seek advice from independent players. George On 17/10/06, Darren Tracey 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Barry,   I don't think kittens class as wildlife.  I think the Australian environment would greatly benefit from vast  quantities of kittens being shipped out of Australia.
   I have visions of vast herds of Aussie school children combing alleys,  backyards and bushland for any unguarded kittens and earning pocket  money (and valuable export dollars) by shipping them to, according to
  this page:  http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittensctab=1geo=alldate=all  New Zealand, or even the UK.
  Google does make the world a happier place!   George,  I'm hoping you can provide your Boss with a shortened version of this  thread pointing out just how unreliable the Google Trends tool is for
  basing such an important business decision. He needs to realise that  these results do not indicate pages written in these languages. It  seems to be just the number of times those specific words (and they can
  be way out of context too) are used in pages that Google has indexed.   Darren Tracey   
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-17 Thread George Lu
Thanks Dale. I'll try it although I've never written ASP.NET.
On 18/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



To get independent advice is hard.

You need to find someone who knows what both .NET and CF are but don't use either.

Which probably means asking a Java or PHP person.

They will probably both say .NET for OO reasons, but that's just a guess.

You should sit down and write some simple program in CF  
ASP.NET and print out the code (including the hidden code behind stuff in .NET) and see which one he would rather pay someone to write.

RegardsDale Fraser
http://dale.fraser.id.au






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Darren,




Thanks for your advice. Actually my boss was quite interested to this thread but he insisted your guys are 
senior Cold Fusion developers and asked me to seek advice from independent players. George



On 17/10/06, Darren Tracey 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Barry,I don't think kittens class as wildlife.I think the Australian environment would greatly benefit from vast 
quantities of kittens being shipped out of Australia.I have visions of vast herds of Aussie school children combing alleys,backyards and bushland for any unguarded kittens and earning pocketmoney (and valuable export dollars) by shipping them to, according to 
this page:http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittensctab=1geo=alldate=all
New Zealand, or even the UK.Google does make the world a happier place! George,I'm hoping you can provide your Boss with a shortened version of thisthread pointing out just how unreliable the Google Trends tool is for
basing such an important business decision. He needs to realise that these results do not indicate pages written in these languages. Itseems to be just the number of times those specific words (and they can
be way out of context too) are used in pages that Google has indexed.Darren Tracey

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-17 Thread Seona Bellamy
Do you know anyone who can? (Not putting up my hand here, I'd just like to point out, because I can't.) If you could write the CF version and then pass it off to a sympathetic friend, maybe that would help you get your two versions?
Just a thought...On 18/10/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Dale. I'll try it although I've never written ASP.NET.
On 18/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



You should sit down and write some simple program in CF  

ASP.NET and print out the code (including the hidden code behind stuff in .NET) and see which one he would rather pay someone to write.


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Scott








The trends by Google seem to be based on
search patterns, my conclusion and its a guess that more Coldfusion developers
dont need to search fro coldfusion problems because of the support network.



1) Coldfusion is still successful, and is getting into more large
scale sites the problem is that CF is being used more for intranets that will
not be picked up google or any search engine. With people developing the likes
of Coldspring (Java spring in CF) then you get the idea that it is moving in
huge bounds, or even with ORMs like Reactor, CFHibernate and Mark Mandels
Transfer gives CF even more power.

2) It hasnt fallen behind, so I am not sure where you get these
figures from. If you listen to the likes of Sean Corfield it is moving ahead in
leaps and bounds.

3) Every scripting language has made significant leaps and bounds,
CFMX7 offered more buck for your money with gateways etc, which ASP.Net has but
you need to write your own code to do this. The introduction of reports in cf
to name a few of the leaps CF has made.

4) Yes there are very few good developers, because with people like
your boss who cant see the good it is no wonder fewer developers are left.





Now these are my opinions, and although I
agree that CF has dropped a little. Its support is strong, and the technology
is just getting stronger. We are mainly a java house here, but we still do CF
and my Boss has come from the CF world and if Adobe where to adopt the same technique
with CF as they did with flex2 then he will not hesitate to use CF more.











Senior Coldfusion Developer

Aegeon Pty. Ltd.

www.aegeon.com.au

Phone:+613 8676 4223

Mobile: 0404 998 273













From:
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Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006
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Subject: [cfaussie] ColdFusion
trend?







My boss asked me to get on ASP.NET. I
asked him why. He's given mefollowing reasons:











-





One indication of popularity is the trend of searches that are made on
google:





http://www.google.com/trends?q=ColdFusionctab=0geo=alldate=all

http://www.google.com/trends?q=ASP.NETctab=0geo=alldate=all


In short
the following 

* Was a
very successful language with large-scale sites in the early days 
* Has fallen behind in recent years 
* Other technologies like ASP.NET have made
significant strides in recent years 
* Very few good programmers available 

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What do
you think?

George








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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Barry Beattie

 * Very few good programmers available

on this point, ASP.NET does not a good programmer make. in fact I'd
argue that some parts of ASP.NET actually support bad habits, if you
compare against Java best practices.

lots of CF good programmers are  good programmers origionally from
other languages - who seem to have no trouble picking CF up and doing
well, esp if they come with some Java background. I know of at least
one place that has

Managers have a habit of pideon-holeing people.
he's a CF programmer
she's a Java programmer

instead of
he's a CF programmer
she's a Java programmer needing a bit of CF experiance to get up to
speed but will bring a new perspective to development practices.

can anyone suggest a free poll? I wouldn't mind doing a quick Vox Poll
on some questions:

 - how many languages did you seriously use before comming to
ColdFusion (Pascal doesn't count unless it was object Pascal/Delphi,
HTML or SQL doesn't count but Javascript does)

(1) ColdFusion was my first main language
(2) I learnt another programming language first (not Pascal)
(3) I learnt two other languages before comming to ColdFusion
(4) I learnt 3-5 other languages before comming to ColdFusion but I'm
not old enough to be classified as reverent status as indicated in
Answer 5
(5) I have the experiance of many programming languages under my belt
over many years and ColdFusion is only one of them







On 10/17/06, George Lu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My boss asked me to get on ASP.NET. I asked him why. He's given me following
 reasons:

 -
 One indication of popularity is the trend of searches that are made on
 google:


 http://www.google.com/trends?q=ColdFusionctab=0geo=alldate=all
 http://www.google.com/trends?q=ASP.NETctab=0geo=alldate=all

 In short the following

 * Was a very successful language with large-scale sites in the early days
 * Has fallen behind in recent years
 * Other technologies like ASP.NET have made significant strides in recent
 years
 * Very few good programmers available

 --

 What do you think?

 George
  


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Mark Mandel

Where is the

6) @m $up3r 733+ C0lfU$!n [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm waiting for that one...before I even consider anwering any questions

(and then I'm going to pick number 4)

Mark

On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Barry,

 I think 98% of us are going to answer number 5.


 Senior Coldfusion Developer
 Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
 www.aegeon.com.au
 Phone: +613  8676 4223
 Mobile: 0404 998 273



 



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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Barry Beattie

ho ho ho

yeah, well, it was just a quick'n'dirty idea to try and make the point
that there's a large number of ColdFusion programmers who weren't born
that way

in fact you could do a lot worse than hiring a Java or VB programmer
and re-training them in CF... new blood as it were.

Bottom line: I don't buy the Can't find good CF programmers  -
there's lots of good CF'ers wrapped up in other skins waiting to
break out...
...like butterflies...


(PS: don't use snappoll.com - it's crap. I broke it with a spare
apostrophie... any better suggestions?)

On 10/17/06, Mark Mandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Where is the

 6) @m $up3r 733+ C0lfU$!n [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I'm waiting for that one...before I even consider anwering any questions

 (and then I'm going to pick number 4)

 Mark

 On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Barry,
 
  I think 98% of us are going to answer number 5.
 
 
  Senior Coldfusion Developer
  Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
  www.aegeon.com.au
  Phone: +613  8676 4223
  Mobile: 0404 998 273
 
 
 
  
 


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread cfgroupie

OR option (7) I'm still learning ColdFusion but my boss wants me to
learn .NET

I'll choose option (1) thank you very much.

Jeremy


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Blair McKenzie
I agree. I came to my CF job out of uni with no experience with it and found it to be the easiest language I'd ever seen (cfquery - sweet). A couple of weeks later I was, not an expert, but competent enough to be developing a new website solo. The learning curve in CF is so smooth that anyone with programming experience can pick it up easily.
BlairOn 10/17/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ho ho hoyeah, well, it was just a quick'n'dirty idea to try and make the pointthat there's a large number of ColdFusion programmers who weren't bornthat wayin fact you could do a lot worse than hiring a Java or VB programmer
and re-training them in CF... new blood as it were.Bottom line: I don't buy the Can't find good CF programmers-there's lots of good CF'ers wrapped up in other skins waiting to
break out..like butterflies...(PS: don't use snappoll.com - it's crap. I broke it with a spareapostrophie... any better suggestions?)On 10/17/06, Mark Mandel 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is the 6) @m $up3r 733+ C0lfU$!n [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm waiting for that one...before I even consider anwering any questions
 (and then I'm going to pick number 4) Mark On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Barry,   I think 98% of us are going to answer number 5.Senior Coldfusion Developer  Aegeon Pty. Ltd.  
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Dale Fraser








As I said the graphs are rubbish.



Based on the graph asp.net existed before
Coldfusion.



Regards

Dale Fraser











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trend?





we are small fry
http://www.google.com/trends?q=PHP%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+javactab=1geo=AUdate=all


put me down for (5)  (6)



On 10/17/06, Blair
McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

I agree. I came to my CF job out of uni with no experience with it and
found it to be the easiest language I'd ever seen (cfquery - sweet). A
couple of weeks later I was, not an expert, but competent enough to be
developing a new website solo. The learning curve in CF is so smooth that
anyone with programming experience can pick it up easily. 

Blair







On 10/17/06, Barry
Beattie 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


ho ho ho

yeah, well, it was just a quick'n'dirty idea to try and make the point
that there's a large number of ColdFusion programmers who weren't born
that way

in fact you could do a lot worse than hiring a Java or VB programmer 
and re-training them in CF... new blood as it were.

Bottom line: I don't buy the Can't find good CF programmers-
there's lots of good CF'ers wrapped up in other skins waiting to
break out...
...like butterflies...


(PS: don't use snappoll.com -
it's crap. I broke it with a spare
apostrophie... any better suggestions?)

On 10/17/06, Mark Mandel  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Where is the

 6) @m $up3r 733+ C0lfU$!n [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?

 I'm waiting for that one...before I even consider anwering any questions 

 (and then I'm going to pick number 4)

 Mark

 On 10/17/06, Andrew Scott  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Barry,
 
  I think 98% of us are going to answer number 5.
 
 
  Senior Coldfusion Developer
  Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
  www.aegeon.com.au
  Phone: +6138676 4223
  Mobile:
0404 998 273
 
 
 
  
 


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Chris Velevitch

On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+javactab=1geo=AUdate=all
 all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and
 eBay instead.

Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1geo=AUdate=all

Chris
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Dale Fraser

If you look at the number references you will realise that the words are NOT
programming specific.

So when searching for flash, lots of this will be flash memory and flash
camera related.

Java also is a Country and benefits from this one.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=jsp%2C+asp%2C+coldfusion%2C+phpctab=1geo=AU
date=all

Overall all interest in web programming is dying and we should all seriously
consider our futures. I think I'd like to open a Pizza shop.

Regards
Dale Fraser



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On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja
vactab=1geo=AUdate=all
 all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and
 eBay instead.

Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1
geo=AUdate=all

Chris
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Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Darren Tracey

If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these
'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too.

Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still
cool though)
I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I
next need to convince someone of.
As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending
much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing.

Darren Tracey


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Chris Velevitch

Become a politician. Here are some good books for the politically
minded ;-) 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-1876436-2467216?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=how+to+lie+with+statisticsGo.x=7Go.y=11Go=Go


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread George Lu
>From the graph, you can see ASP.NET is very popular or more search in India...
On 17/10/06, Dale Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you look at the number references you will realise that the words are NOTprogramming specific.
So when searching for flash, lots of this will be flash memory and flashcamera related.Java also is a Country and benefits from this one.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=jsp%2C+asp%2C+coldfusion%2C+phpctab=1geo=AUdate=allOverall all interest in web programming is dying and we should all seriouslyconsider our futures. I think I'd like to open a Pizza shop.
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vactab=1geo=AUdate=all all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and eBay instead.Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-)
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Mark Mandel

Well.. actually.. you are right..

http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outsourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all

Mark

On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these
 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too.

 Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still
 cool though)
 I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I
 next need to convince someone of.
 As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending
 much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing.

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Dale Fraser

This is fun I could do this all day.

This one made me cancel the Pizza shop, seems that Coldfusion is set for a
much larger customer base just based on being in the Adobe product suite.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=allaire%2C+macromedia%2C+adobectab=0geo=all
date=all

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Well.. actually.. you are right..

http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs
ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all

Mark

On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these
 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too.

 Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still
 cool though)
 I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I
 next need to convince someone of.
 As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending
 much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing.

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss

Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe

We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we?

Those trend graphs are wack!
You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results.

But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax.



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On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja
vactab=1geo=AUdate=all
 all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and
 eBay instead.

Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1
geo=AUdate=all

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Steve Onnis

http://www.google.com/trends?q=ford%2Choldenctab=0geo=alldate=all

looks like ford is the winner in Australia, only just though

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Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe

We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we?

Those trend graphs are wack!
You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results.

But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax.



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On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja
vactab=1geo=AUdate=all
 all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and
 eBay instead.

Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1
geo=AUdate=all

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Steve Onnis

WHOO HOO

http://www.google.com/trends?q=mac%2Cpcctab=1geo=alldate=all

And PC wins!

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Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe

We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we?

Those trend graphs are wack!
You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results.

But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax.



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On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja
vactab=1geo=AUdate=all
 all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and
 eBay instead.

Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1
geo=AUdate=all

Chris
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Steve Onnis

The jury is out on this one

http://www.google.com/trends?q=internet+explorer%2C+firefoxctab=1geo=alld
ate=all


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Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe

We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we?

Those trend graphs are wack!
You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results.

But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax.



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On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja
vactab=1geo=AUdate=all
 all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and
 eBay instead.

Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1
geo=AUdate=all

Chris
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss

Disclaimer:::
Mac book pro chews any pc based notebook :)

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WHOO HOO

http://www.google.com/trends?q=mac%2Cpcctab=1geo=alldate=all

And PC wins!

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Flash dominates over ALL! Hehe

We are talking about Dwayne 'Flash' Wade from the Miami Heat arnet we?

Those trend graphs are wack!
You would need to create mad exclusion statements to get accurate results.

But still in the spirit of the moment my favourite has to be flash vs ajax.



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Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?


On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=google%2C+ebay%2C+coldfusion%2C+asp.net%2C+ja
vactab=1geo=AUdate=all
 all web development is stagnating and we should all just use Google and
 eBay instead.

Maybe so, but look at how Flash dominates ;-)
http://www.google.com/trends?q=flash%2C+asp.net%2C+java%2C+coldfusionctab=1
geo=AUdate=all

Chris
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss

Man what is this world coming to:
Kittens thrown in frying pan in NY
Kittens Mailed To Vermont With Brush Trimmer
Kittens Survive Two-Day Journey In Box
Australian Business man makes millions from kitten export
business... hehe

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Well.. actually.. you are right..

http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs
ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all

Mark

On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these
 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too.

 Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still
 cool though)
 I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I
 next need to convince someone of.
 As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending
 much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing.

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss

So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...?
Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise.

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Well.. actually.. you are right..

http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs
ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all

Mark

On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these
 'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too.

 Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still
 cool though)
 I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I
 next need to convince someone of.
 As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending
 much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing.

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss


So what are you saying Andrew, we should be exporting pussy...?
Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise.

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I enjoy pussies :-)
 
 
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273
 

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So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...?
Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise.



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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Scott

No leave all pussies here, find something else to export.

 
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So what are you saying Andrew, we should be exporting pussy...?
Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise.



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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Scott

I enjoy pussies :-)
 
 
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Phone: +613  8676 4223
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So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...?
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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Barry Beattie

 find something else to export.

how about off-topic (and off colour posts)? there seems to be no
shortage of them...


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 No leave all pussies here, find something else to export.


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 So what are you saying Andrew, we should be exporting pussy...?
 Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise.



 


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Andrew Scott

LOL

 
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 find something else to export.

how about off-topic (and off colour posts)? there seems to be no
shortage of them...



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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Barry Beattie

So George... does this help?

that your boss should stop worrying about platforms, ColdFusion or
whatever and get into smuggling wildlife out of the country?

I'm glad we can all gang together and come up with such a worthwhile
solution for you.

Enjoy!




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 So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...?
 Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise.

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 Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 PM
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 Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?


 Well.. actually.. you are right..

 http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs
 ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all

 Mark

 On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these
  'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too.
 
  Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still
  cool though)
  I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I
  next need to convince someone of.
  As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending
  much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing.
 
  Darren Tracey
 
 
  
 


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Bjorn Schultheiss

Yeah good point!
Funny thread..

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No leave all pussies here, find something else to export.

 
Senior Coldfusion Developer
Aegeon Pty. Ltd.
www.aegeon.com.au
Phone: +613  8676 4223
Mobile: 0404 998 273
 

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So what are you saying Andrew, we should be exporting pussy...?
Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise.




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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread George Lu
Thank so much Barry and all other people in this thread. It does very help. Now I'm confident with CF. I've already passed your answers and this thread to my boss.
On 17/10/06, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So George... does this help?that your boss should stop worrying about platforms, ColdFusion or
whatever and get into smuggling wildlife out of the country?I'm glad we can all gang together and come up with such a worthwhilesolution for you.Enjoy!On 10/17/06, Bjorn Schultheiss 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what are you saying Mark, we should be exporting kittens...? Hmmm, i'll see what i can organise.
 -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel
 Sent: Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend? Well.. actually.. you are right..
 http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittens%2C+Coldfusion%2C+OO%2C+off+shore+outs ourcingctab=0geo=alldate=all
 Mark On 10/17/06, Darren Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   If you look at this one, you'll see that we should all get into these
  'jobs' things. They seem quite popular too.   Google Trends. What a silly and fundamentally useless thing. (Its still  cool though)  I'll have great fun using this to justify whatever bizarre scheme I
  next need to convince someone of.  As you can see here, Google shows that kittens are currently trending  much higher than either OO developement or off shore outsourcing.
   Darren Tracey  -- E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: 
www.compoundtheory.com 

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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Darren Tracey

Barry,

I don't think kittens class as wildlife.
I think the Australian environment would greatly benefit from vast
quantities of kittens being shipped out of Australia.

I have visions of vast herds of Aussie school children combing alleys,
backyards and bushland for any unguarded kittens and earning pocket
money (and valuable export dollars) by shipping them to, according to
this page:
 http://www.google.com/trends?q=kittensctab=1geo=alldate=all
New Zealand, or even the UK.
Google does make the world a happier place!

George,
I'm hoping you can provide your Boss with a shortened version of this
thread pointing out just how unreliable the Google Trends tool is for
basing such an important business decision. He needs to realise that
these results do not indicate pages written in these languages. It
seems to be just the number of times those specific words (and they can
be way out of context too) are used in pages that Google has indexed.

Darren Tracey


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[cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion trend?

2006-10-16 Thread Darren Tracey

George

Of course, if he is still hell bent on following the .net path based on
what was in Google Trends, then show him the kitten thing and say
goodbye to your days as a web developer.
If you are going to be handling kittens in bulk, I would suggest
invesing in some of those stainless steel link chain mesh gloves that
butchers use, possible even a full length arm version.
Other shipping ideas are available here:
 www.bonsaikitten.com

Darren Tracey


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