[cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007
Thanks for the kind words bazza - payment's coming ;) heh. We have around 70,000+ employees here at Microsoft world wide, and so i'm bound to get on a few of their nerves :) I think I know whom the folks in question were and yeah we don't get a long (welcome to the office politics). Basically if you think I'm punchy towards Adobe via the public forum(s) you should see what i'm like internally... (they've all learnt fast I have a unique way and let him be). I want Silverlight, WPF etc all to be better, and we aren't done by any stretch. In the process, a few toes / ego's get stepped on and they can cry about it at dinner tables @ competitor events in front of customers (which is poor form) or they can build a bridge and get over it :) either way the folks with whom I do interact / care about are the *actual* decision makers of the products. Anywho, suprised I'm the topic of a lunch conversation half away around the world? What was Sean Corfields signature again? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive - Margaret Atwood On 10/5/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and a little OT side-note, I was sitting with a bunch of Microsoft guys during lunch one day and the topic of Scott Barnes came up. Didn't seem to like him very much. at least he's made an impression on them - which is true all the way up to Scott Guthrie. Harry M. Miller would be the first person to agree that the only bad press coverage is none at all... actually this is a benefit to Microsoft - if you'll allow me to go thru the thinking... I know Barnes, worked with the guy - he haunts me around every corner, being in the same city 'n' all If Barnes is on-form, he'll be stiring the bejesus out of people, just to get people thinking - getting mossy. Microsoft has so many holes that a good bit of shaking could wake them up to smell the roses. Like? sounds like an old-boy's network disapproving of someone from outside because they're not like them. Someone hired Barnes knowing full well what he's like. It's not hard to find his incredibly acidic old blog posts, especially since I was sitting right next to him - going thru the same experiences - watching him document them. And he's *still* there in a MS chair... Nah, Barnes (as a concept) is a cunning plan, Baldric. At the very least it's entertainment... -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007
Well, to tell you the truth the Microsoft guys seemed like a bunch of a-holes. But yeah, there you have it you're famous. :) -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 1:02 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007 Thanks for the kind words bazza - payment's coming ;) heh. We have around 70,000+ employees here at Microsoft world wide, and so i'm bound to get on a few of their nerves :) I think I know whom the folks in question were and yeah we don't get a long (welcome to the office politics). Basically if you think I'm punchy towards Adobe via the public forum(s) you should see what i'm like internally... (they've all learnt fast I have a unique way and let him be). I want Silverlight, WPF etc all to be better, and we aren't done by any stretch. In the process, a few toes / ego's get stepped on and they can cry about it at dinner tables @ competitor events in front of customers (which is poor form) or they can build a bridge and get over it :) either way the folks with whom I do interact / care about are the *actual* decision makers of the products. Anywho, suprised I'm the topic of a lunch conversation half away around the world? What was Sean Corfields signature again? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive - Margaret Atwood On 10/5/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and a little OT side-note, I was sitting with a bunch of Microsoft guys during lunch one day and the topic of Scott Barnes came up. Didn't seem to like him very much. at least he's made an impression on them - which is true all the way up to Scott Guthrie. Harry M. Miller would be the first person to agree that the only bad press coverage is none at all... actually this is a benefit to Microsoft - if you'll allow me to go thru the thinking... I know Barnes, worked with the guy - he haunts me around every corner, being in the same city 'n' all If Barnes is on-form, he'll be stiring the bejesus out of people, just to get people thinking - getting mossy. Microsoft has so many holes that a good bit of shaking could wake them up to smell the roses. Like? sounds like an old-boy's network disapproving of someone from outside because they're not like them. Someone hired Barnes knowing full well what he's like. It's not hard to find his incredibly acidic old blog posts, especially since I was sitting right next to him - going thru the same experiences - watching him document them. And he's *still* there in a MS chair... Nah, Barnes (as a concept) is a cunning plan, Baldric. At the very least it's entertainment... -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007
a-holes? Really? :) Leon, I think I was at that fine Adobe provided lunch at MAX. I can suspect the subject matter of our lunch could be bit off-putting and I hope we didn't offend you but it was just good old evanglist talk and it wasn't half as bad as when I'm actually eating with Adobe evanglists too (I'll protect the guilty here by not naming names). We enjoyed your company very much and had we been in the right venue we would have provided a pint or two as well. As for Barnes, I'll let him fill in the rest but I don't think personally there is anyone in the States that has done more to make sure that Barnes loses his cell- phone when he's visting or gets into heaps of trouble both inside and outside of work (in good ways and bad). Perhaps it didn't come across as sarcasm but everyone that you ate with that day more or less loves Barnes, and if folks don't like his methods in MS than they probably don't like mine either. Scott's one of the reasons that working at Microsoft is so much fun and why the RIA space is so exciting. As a profession we're lucky to have him and I don't think it matters a lick that he's pulling a paycheck from Microsoft versus his previous life slinging CF code. It's fun sometimes to pick sides in this whole Adobe/Microsoft thing but the bottomline is that the ecosystem is better served when multiple competitors are working in the same space to drive innovation. Mature companies get this and welcome it (although sometimes they need a kick in the pants )and smart practitioners know it's not the platform or tools that make a great developer but their brains. What makes Scott unique is that he's one of a handfull of people in this space that I think can talk credibly about it as he's immersed himself in both sides. Now perhaps I like Scott so much because I only get to see him a few times a year but be that as it may let's not presume Scott's an island in the world of Microsoft. Nothing could be further from the truth and folks presume that they're excluding themselves from a good source of knowledge about this business. For future reference, if anyone hears me trash talking Shane Morris please understand. I love him too! Those of you that get to SxSW on this list next March, please look me up. Chris Bernard User Experience Evangelist, Microsoft www.designthinkingdigest.com On Oct 7, 5:42 pm, Leon Seremelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, to tell you the truth the Microsoft guys seemed like a bunch of a-holes. But yeah, there you have it you're famous. :) -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 1:02 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007 Thanks for the kind words bazza - payment's coming ;) heh. We have around 70,000+ employees here at Microsoft world wide, and so i'm bound to get on a few of their nerves :) I think I know whom the folks in question were and yeah we don't get a long (welcome to the office politics). Basically if you think I'm punchy towards Adobe via the public forum(s) you should see what i'm like internally... (they've all learnt fast I have a unique way and let him be). I want Silverlight, WPF etc all to be better, and we aren't done by any stretch. In the process, a few toes / ego's get stepped on and they can cry about it at dinner tables @ competitor events in front of customers (which is poor form) or they can build a bridge and get over it :) either way the folks with whom I do interact / care about are the *actual* decision makers of the products. Anywho, suprised I'm the topic of a lunch conversation half away around the world? What was Sean Corfields signature again? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive - Margaret Atwood On 10/5/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and a little OT side-note, I was sitting with a bunch of Microsoft guys during lunch one day and the topic of Scott Barnes came up. Didn't seem to like him very much. at least he's made an impression on them - which is true all the way up to Scott Guthrie. Harry M. Miller would be the first person to agree that the only bad press coverage is none at all... actually this is a benefit to Microsoft - if you'll allow me to go thru the thinking... I know Barnes, worked with the guy - he haunts me around every corner, being in the same city 'n' all If Barnes is on-form, he'll be stiring the bejesus out of people, just to get people thinking - getting mossy. Microsoft has so many holes that a good bit of shaking could wake them up to smell the roses. Like? sounds like an old-boy's network disapproving of someone from outside because they're not like them. Someone hired Barnes knowing full well what he's like. It's not hard to find his incredibly acidic old blog posts, especially since I was sitting right next to him - going thru the same experiences
[cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007
Well, I guess my statement was a bit harsh.. a couple of you were quite nice. Maybe I was put off because you were all Microsoft. ;) -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Bernard Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 2:04 PM To: cfaussie Subject: [cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007 a-holes? Really? :) Leon, I think I was at that fine Adobe provided lunch at MAX. I can suspect the subject matter of our lunch could be bit off-putting and I hope we didn't offend you but it was just good old evanglist talk and it wasn't half as bad as when I'm actually eating with Adobe evanglists too (I'll protect the guilty here by not naming names). We enjoyed your company very much and had we been in the right venue we would have provided a pint or two as well. As for Barnes, I'll let him fill in the rest but I don't think personally there is anyone in the States that has done more to make sure that Barnes loses his cell- phone when he's visting or gets into heaps of trouble both inside and outside of work (in good ways and bad). Perhaps it didn't come across as sarcasm but everyone that you ate with that day more or less loves Barnes, and if folks don't like his methods in MS than they probably don't like mine either. Scott's one of the reasons that working at Microsoft is so much fun and why the RIA space is so exciting. As a profession we're lucky to have him and I don't think it matters a lick that he's pulling a paycheck from Microsoft versus his previous life slinging CF code. It's fun sometimes to pick sides in this whole Adobe/Microsoft thing but the bottomline is that the ecosystem is better served when multiple competitors are working in the same space to drive innovation. Mature companies get this and welcome it (although sometimes they need a kick in the pants )and smart practitioners know it's not the platform or tools that make a great developer but their brains. What makes Scott unique is that he's one of a handfull of people in this space that I think can talk credibly about it as he's immersed himself in both sides. Now perhaps I like Scott so much because I only get to see him a few times a year but be that as it may let's not presume Scott's an island in the world of Microsoft. Nothing could be further from the truth and folks presume that they're excluding themselves from a good source of knowledge about this business. For future reference, if anyone hears me trash talking Shane Morris please understand. I love him too! Those of you that get to SxSW on this list next March, please look me up. Chris Bernard User Experience Evangelist, Microsoft www.designthinkingdigest.com On Oct 7, 5:42 pm, Leon Seremelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, to tell you the truth the Microsoft guys seemed like a bunch of a-holes. But yeah, there you have it you're famous. :) -Original Message- From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 1:02 AM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: [cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007 Thanks for the kind words bazza - payment's coming ;) heh. We have around 70,000+ employees here at Microsoft world wide, and so i'm bound to get on a few of their nerves :) I think I know whom the folks in question were and yeah we don't get a long (welcome to the office politics). Basically if you think I'm punchy towards Adobe via the public forum(s) you should see what i'm like internally... (they've all learnt fast I have a unique way and let him be). I want Silverlight, WPF etc all to be better, and we aren't done by any stretch. In the process, a few toes / ego's get stepped on and they can cry about it at dinner tables @ competitor events in front of customers (which is poor form) or they can build a bridge and get over it :) either way the folks with whom I do interact / care about are the *actual* decision makers of the products. Anywho, suprised I'm the topic of a lunch conversation half away around the world? What was Sean Corfields signature again? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive - Margaret Atwood On 10/5/07, Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and a little OT side-note, I was sitting with a bunch of Microsoft guys during lunch one day and the topic of Scott Barnes came up. Didn't seem to like him very much. at least he's made an impression on them - which is true all the way up to Scott Guthrie. Harry M. Miller would be the first person to agree that the only bad press coverage is none at all... actually this is a benefit to Microsoft - if you'll allow me to go thru the thinking... I know Barnes, worked with the guy - he haunts me around every corner, being in the same city 'n' all If Barnes is on-form, he'll be stiring the bejesus out of people, just to get people thinking - getting mossy. Microsoft has so many holes that a good bit of shaking could wake them up to smell
[cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007
Oh, and a little OT side-note, I was sitting with a bunch of Microsoft guys during lunch one day and the topic of Scott Barnes came up. Didn't seem to like him very much. at least he's made an impression on them - which is true all the way up to Scott Guthrie. Harry M. Miller would be the first person to agree that the only bad press coverage is none at all... actually this is a benefit to Microsoft - if you'll allow me to go thru the thinking... I know Barnes, worked with the guy - he haunts me around every corner, being in the same city 'n' all If Barnes is on-form, he'll be stiring the bejesus out of people, just to get people thinking - getting mossy. Microsoft has so many holes that a good bit of shaking could wake them up to smell the roses. Like? sounds like an old-boy's network disapproving of someone from outside because they're not like them. Someone hired Barnes knowing full well what he's like. It's not hard to find his incredibly acidic old blog posts, especially since I was sitting right next to him - going thru the same experiences - watching him document them. And he's *still* there in a MS chair... Nah, Barnes (as a concept) is a cunning plan, Baldric. At the very least it's entertainment... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007
thanx Chris any details about this Centaur thing? (CF9)? On 10/3/07, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More news from Chicago:- http://sydneyflashplatformdevelopersgroup.blogspot.com/ On 9/29/07, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in Chicago for MAX and I will attempt to blog things of interest. But my first entry starts on a negative note. (see http://sydneyflashplatformdevelopersgroup.blogspot.com/2007/09/experience-design-experience.html) The conference proper starts in less that 40 hours and in 16 hours the pre-event training starts. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007
Barry I think they just showed a demo about generating an AIR app and working online/offline, everything done by ColdFusion. I wonder if they are going to integrate CF9 with Pacifica, it would be awesome. -- João Fernandes www.onflexwithcf.org www.riapt.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007
More news from Chicago:- http://sydneyflashplatformdevelopersgroup.blogspot.com/ On 9/29/07, Chris Velevitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in Chicago for MAX and I will attempt to blog things of interest. But my first entry starts on a negative note. (see http://sydneyflashplatformdevelopersgroup.blogspot.com/2007/09/experience-design-experience.html) The conference proper starts in less that 40 hours and in 16 hours the pre-event training starts. Chris -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au -- Chris Velevitch Manager - Sydney Flash Platform Developers Group m: 0415 469 095 www.flashdev.org.au --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups cfaussie group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
