[cfaussie] Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?

[Blair McKenzie]

Reminds be of the bit Steven Colbert did - The Word -
Wikiality
.

Blair

On 7/10/07, M@ Bourke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "So ColdFusion is Object Oriented after all,"
>
> LOL democracy doesn't work this way.
> if democracy decided everything we'd be in a doomed world, the earth would
> still be flat, and the stars would be static in place to provide light for
> us
> and great minds would still be getting locked away for 20 years
>
> >
>

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[cfaussie] Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?

[M@ Bourke]

"So ColdFusion is Object Oriented after all,"

LOL democracy doesn't work this way.
if democracy decided everything we'd be in a doomed world, the earth would
still be flat, and the stars would be static in place to provide light for
us
and great minds would still be getting locked away for 20 years

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[cfaussie] Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?

[Dale Fraser]

Not me,

I'm happy with the CF OO feature set, would like Constructors, but can deal
with init method.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dalefraser.blogspot.com



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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Haikal Saadh
Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2007 11:23 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: [cfaussie] Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?


To make a generalisation, does that mean that most of the OO CF want to 
be java programmers?

(And I'm asking as a java dev turned cf dev turned java dev)

Dale Fraser wrote:
> After reading a Blog Entry of Ray Camden, in a general comment, he made
this
> statement.
>
> "CF is not OO. CF should NOT be OO. And lastly, I pray to God that CF
never
> becomes OO."
>
> I didn't agree, I actually think ColdFusion is OO, and thought that view
> especially from Ray was odd, then I thought, well perhaps I have it wrong,
> perhaps CF is not OO and i'm the only one who thinks it is. So I ran a
> Survey, posted to both cftalk and cfaussie.
>
> The results are quite interesting.
>
> 1. Do you consider ColdFusion to be Object Oriented?
> Yes: 66%
> No: 34%
>
> 2. What percentage do you think ColdFusion achieves the ability to code OO
> style.
> 0-20%: 2%
> 20-40%: 4%
> 40-60%: 24%
> 60-80%: 44%
> 80-100%: 26%
>
> 3. Would you like the Adobe ColdFusion team to further develop ColdFusion
OO
> features?
> Yes: 58%
> No: 42%
>
> 4. What is the number one feature missing from ColdFusion from an OO point
> of view?
> None / Pass: 52%
> Overloading: 16%
> Constructors: 10%
> Overriding: 4%
> Interfaces: 4%
> Multiple Inheritance: 2%
> Serialization: 2%
> Other: 10%
>
> That last one was free text, so I combined a lot of dumb answers into None
/
> Pass and lots of single votes into Other. I consider that CF already does
> Overriding, but I left it in the stats and CF8 does Interfaces but I left
it
> in also.
>
> But here is my summary of the survey
>
> Of the people surveyed 66% of people think that ColdFusion is an Object
> Oriented language, 70% of people think that the OO features are between
> 60-100%, just over half 58% of people think more development needs to be
> done and the main two things missing are Overloading and Constructors.
>
> So ColdFusion is Object Oriented after all, I have always thought so and
am
> supported by the numbers, we here code our entire application in a OO way
so
> to me it was a no brainer. You could read deeper that if Adobe just added
> Overloading and Constructors that the CF OO feel would be almost complete
> but then again 52% of people passed on what the main missing feature was.
>
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>   





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[cfaussie] Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?

[Haikal Saadh]

To make a generalisation, does that mean that most of the OO CF want to 
be java programmers?

(And I'm asking as a java dev turned cf dev turned java dev)

Dale Fraser wrote:
> After reading a Blog Entry of Ray Camden, in a general comment, he made this
> statement.
>
> "CF is not OO. CF should NOT be OO. And lastly, I pray to God that CF never
> becomes OO."
>
> I didn't agree, I actually think ColdFusion is OO, and thought that view
> especially from Ray was odd, then I thought, well perhaps I have it wrong,
> perhaps CF is not OO and i'm the only one who thinks it is. So I ran a
> Survey, posted to both cftalk and cfaussie.
>
> The results are quite interesting.
>
> 1. Do you consider ColdFusion to be Object Oriented?
> Yes: 66%
> No: 34%
>
> 2. What percentage do you think ColdFusion achieves the ability to code OO
> style.
> 0-20%: 2%
> 20-40%: 4%
> 40-60%: 24%
> 60-80%: 44%
> 80-100%: 26%
>
> 3. Would you like the Adobe ColdFusion team to further develop ColdFusion OO
> features?
> Yes: 58%
> No: 42%
>
> 4. What is the number one feature missing from ColdFusion from an OO point
> of view?
> None / Pass: 52%
> Overloading: 16%
> Constructors: 10%
> Overriding: 4%
> Interfaces: 4%
> Multiple Inheritance: 2%
> Serialization: 2%
> Other: 10%
>
> That last one was free text, so I combined a lot of dumb answers into None /
> Pass and lots of single votes into Other. I consider that CF already does
> Overriding, but I left it in the stats and CF8 does Interfaces but I left it
> in also.
>
> But here is my summary of the survey
>
> Of the people surveyed 66% of people think that ColdFusion is an Object
> Oriented language, 70% of people think that the OO features are between
> 60-100%, just over half 58% of people think more development needs to be
> done and the main two things missing are Overloading and Constructors.
>
> So ColdFusion is Object Oriented after all, I have always thought so and am
> supported by the numbers, we here code our entire application in a OO way so
> to me it was a no brainer. You could read deeper that if Adobe just added
> Overloading and Constructors that the CF OO feel would be almost complete
> but then again 52% of people passed on what the main missing feature was.
>
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>   


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[cfaussie] Re: SURVEY RESULTS: Is ColdFusion OO?

[Sean Bucklar]

This is an example of why Majority Rule is a really great idea for 
politics. And not so much for other things. With the right survey group, 
I'm sure you could get a majority agreement that Lassie was an 
orangutan. That doesn't make it true.

OO is clearly defined. Armstrong's Quarks give an entirely reasonable 
and general guide to what makes a programming language OO. Cold Fusion 
ain't it.

Maybe you can apply OO concepts to Cold Fusion. Maybe you can classify 
frameworks when combined with custom code and style guides/practice 
reccomendations as an OO environment. But out of the box, CF is not OO. 
Most people who write CF code are NOT producing OO code. And the people 
who are using CF to produce something that you could conceivably argue 
is OO are a minority who almost universally inherited the OO mindset 
from another environment and then plugged the polyformatic peg into a OO 
shaped hole and called it a square.



Dale Fraser wrote:
> After reading a Blog Entry of Ray Camden, in a general comment, he made this
> statement.
>
> "CF is not OO. CF should NOT be OO. And lastly, I pray to God that CF never
> becomes OO."
>
> I didn't agree, I actually think ColdFusion is OO, and thought that view
> especially from Ray was odd, then I thought, well perhaps I have it wrong,
> perhaps CF is not OO and i'm the only one who thinks it is. So I ran a
> Survey, posted to both cftalk and cfaussie.
>
> The results are quite interesting.
>
> 1. Do you consider ColdFusion to be Object Oriented?
> Yes: 66%
> No: 34%
>
> 2. What percentage do you think ColdFusion achieves the ability to code OO
> style.
> 0-20%: 2%
> 20-40%: 4%
> 40-60%: 24%
> 60-80%: 44%
> 80-100%: 26%
>
> 3. Would you like the Adobe ColdFusion team to further develop ColdFusion OO
> features?
> Yes: 58%
> No: 42%
>
> 4. What is the number one feature missing from ColdFusion from an OO point
> of view?
> None / Pass: 52%
> Overloading: 16%
> Constructors: 10%
> Overriding: 4%
> Interfaces: 4%
> Multiple Inheritance: 2%
> Serialization: 2%
> Other: 10%
>
> That last one was free text, so I combined a lot of dumb answers into None /
> Pass and lots of single votes into Other. I consider that CF already does
> Overriding, but I left it in the stats and CF8 does Interfaces but I left it
> in also.
>
> But here is my summary of the survey
>
> Of the people surveyed 66% of people think that ColdFusion is an Object
> Oriented language, 70% of people think that the OO features are between
> 60-100%, just over half 58% of people think more development needs to be
> done and the main two things missing are Overloading and Constructors.
>
> So ColdFusion is Object Oriented after all, I have always thought so and am
> supported by the numbers, we here code our entire application in a OO way so
> to me it was a no brainer. You could read deeper that if Adobe just added
> Overloading and Constructors that the CF OO feel would be almost complete
> but then again 52% of people passed on what the main missing feature was.
>
>
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
>
> http://dalefraser.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>   


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