Re: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

2010-05-26 Thread Dale Fraser 
I've spent the past 12 years as a CTO including 1 very small company,
1 smallish public company and 1 big public company never had a cold
call from Microsoft at any of them

only people I get cold calls from are overseas offshore your development types

Dale Fraser

On Wednesday, May 26, 2010, Steve Onnis  wrote:
> There is already something on the Adobe site
> (http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/hosting/). God know how you get
> listed there
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kai Koenig [mailto:k...@koeni.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 9:17 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet
>
> Lol, I think what contributes to your situation is that a lot of ColdFusion
> "hosting" happens in-house or on people's own server. That's obviously the
> chicken/egg problem as people go for their own box because they don't know
> there is hosting in the first place.
>
> Maybe it'd be a good idea to push the idea (and options) of CF hosting to
> user groups, i.e. start a site or a simple public google doc or something
> listing all the hosters in ANZ that offer CF and compare plans etc.
>
> Cheers
> Kai
>
> On 26/05/2010, at 7:42 PM, Kym Kovan wrote:
>
>> On 26/05/2010 17:04, Chris Velevitch wrote:
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 16:58, Dale Fraser  wrote:
 Where was CEBit?
>>>
>>> Sydney.
>>
>> And I never got there even though I wanted to, too busy :-(
>>
>> The fact that we are busy tells me that CF is alive and well in Oz, or our
> segment of it at least but I also am aware that our segment is not
> everything.
>>
>> Fiona and I got a bit of a surprise at WebDU, very few people had heard of
> us, very few indeed. It made me realise that you can be going like a train
> and being very good at what you do but if you don't make a noise
> occasionally then you fade from people's awareness and a new generation
> comes along who have never heard of you. You can be the county's most senior
> cfml developers and hosting firm but it counts for nought if no-one has
> heard of you. That is why I am suddenly making a lot of noise rather than
> the once-a-month-or-so squeak that I usually make. We are even considering
> having our own website! Shock Horror! We've never done that properly before
> :-)
>>
>> So stand by for more noise, cfml is going to be heard again!
>>
>>
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>>
>> Kym Kovan
>> mbcomms.net.au
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Re: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

2010-05-24 Thread m...@ampersand.net.au 




I suspect (hope?) they chose a developer based on a lot
of factors, one of the least important being the technology used. I
like to think they would factor in the track record of the company, the
skill of the graphic designer, the information design and so on. Lots
of things.

I think arguing over the technology used is like arguing that Ford is
better than Holden. I try to explain this to clients sometimes if they
ask me why I use ColdFusion, I usually tell them my handy car analogy,
then try to explain that the skill of the driver makes a lot of
difference, and a bad driver in a good car is still a bad driver. To be
fair they often look at me like I am a rambling madman.

At the end of the day if they need a site that is a basic CMS you can
do that in anything, e-commerce can be done in anything - there's no
real point of difference between all these things other than the
perceived skills of the person "driving" it all.


On 25/05/2010 7:31 AM, Dale Fraser wrote:

  Yeah I agree Kai,

Many moons ago Adobe and a company called Firmware here used to promote it a
lot, I used to get a demo pack hit my desk quarterly followed by a sales
call.

One day I tried it, went along to a sales pitch and demo and took along the
CEO, which included Spectra at that time and decided we liked what we saw.

So I can appreciate the allure of a good sales pitch, the fact that Adobe
don't do this type of thing in ANZ and haven't done for a while, ends up
with people moving and few new customers signing up.

With that said, whenever I advertise a position I get a good range of
applicants, so I don't subscribe to the theory that people have moved
because they cant find people.

Regards
Dale Fraser

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http://learncf.com
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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kai Koenig
Sent: Monday, 24 May 2010 10:26 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

1. Ahh, that might have played a role. Typical problem in AU and NZ, seen it
before (in NZ)

New guy in power who regularly meets with his CEO and CIO networks for
lunch/dinner/golf and gets asked why they use that weird ColdFusion product
when .NET is so much better. Lobbying from MSFT is extremely good down here
and strategic lobbying from Adobe for ColdFusion unfortunately doesn't
happen in AU/NZ.

2. It _might_ be that is has nothing to do with each other. Maybe they want
to strategically move towards MSFT infrastructure and run a huge $harepoint
or whatever infrastructure where CF doesn't make that much sense anymore.

Cheers
Kai


  
  
Hi Dale,

They have changed CEO in February, http://bit.ly/jbhificeo

Best regards,
Dmitry.

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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:13 PM
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Subject: RE: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

Interesting,

Anyone know who the IT manager is, I'd love to email him about the factors
that led to the decision. 

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au
http://cfmldocs.com
http://learncf.com
http://flexcf.com

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Sent: Monday, 24 May 2010 4:57 PM
To: cfaussie
Subject: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

Looks like JB-HI is moving to .net


  
  http://www.seek.com.au/job/software-developer/melbourne-east/17358904/72/1/
  
  

Another misinformed IT manager.

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RE: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

2010-05-24 Thread Dale Fraser 
Yeah I agree Kai,

Many moons ago Adobe and a company called Firmware here used to promote it a
lot, I used to get a demo pack hit my desk quarterly followed by a sales
call.

One day I tried it, went along to a sales pitch and demo and took along the
CEO, which included Spectra at that time and decided we liked what we saw.

So I can appreciate the allure of a good sales pitch, the fact that Adobe
don't do this type of thing in ANZ and haven't done for a while, ends up
with people moving and few new customers signing up.

With that said, whenever I advertise a position I get a good range of
applicants, so I don't subscribe to the theory that people have moved
because they cant find people.

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au
http://cfmldocs.com
http://learncf.com
http://flexcf.com

-Original Message-
From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kai Koenig
Sent: Monday, 24 May 2010 10:26 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

1. Ahh, that might have played a role. Typical problem in AU and NZ, seen it
before (in NZ)

New guy in power who regularly meets with his CEO and CIO networks for
lunch/dinner/golf and gets asked why they use that weird ColdFusion product
when .NET is so much better. Lobbying from MSFT is extremely good down here
and strategic lobbying from Adobe for ColdFusion unfortunately doesn't
happen in AU/NZ.

2. It _might_ be that is has nothing to do with each other. Maybe they want
to strategically move towards MSFT infrastructure and run a huge $harepoint
or whatever infrastructure where CF doesn't make that much sense anymore.

Cheers
Kai


> Hi Dale,
> 
> They have changed CEO in February, http://bit.ly/jbhificeo
> 
> Best regards,
> Dmitry.
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Dale Fraser
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:13 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet
> 
> Interesting,
> 
> Anyone know who the IT manager is, I'd love to email him about the factors
> that led to the decision. 
> 
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
> 
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
> http://cfmldocs.com
> http://learncf.com
> http://flexcf.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Dawesi
> Sent: Monday, 24 May 2010 4:57 PM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet
> 
> Looks like JB-HI is moving to .net
>
http://www.seek.com.au/job/software-developer/melbourne-east/17358904/72/1/
> 
> Another misinformed IT manager.
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Re: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

2010-05-24 Thread Kai Koenig 
1. Ahh, that might have played a role. Typical problem in AU and NZ, seen it 
before (in NZ)

New guy in power who regularly meets with his CEO and CIO networks for 
lunch/dinner/golf and gets asked why they use that weird ColdFusion product 
when .NET is so much better. Lobbying from MSFT is extremely good down here and 
strategic lobbying from Adobe for ColdFusion unfortunately doesn't happen in 
AU/NZ.

2. It _might_ be that is has nothing to do with each other. Maybe they want to 
strategically move towards MSFT infrastructure and run a huge $harepoint or 
whatever infrastructure where CF doesn't make that much sense anymore.

Cheers
Kai


> Hi Dale,
> 
> They have changed CEO in February, http://bit.ly/jbhificeo
> 
> Best regards,
> Dmitry.
> 
> ---
> Yakhnov Studio, www.yakhnov.info
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dale Fraser
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:13 PM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet
> 
> Interesting,
> 
> Anyone know who the IT manager is, I'd love to email him about the factors
> that led to the decision. 
> 
> Regards
> Dale Fraser
> 
> http://dale.fraser.id.au
> http://cfmldocs.com
> http://learncf.com
> http://flexcf.com
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Of Dawesi
> Sent: Monday, 24 May 2010 4:57 PM
> To: cfaussie
> Subject: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet
> 
> Looks like JB-HI is moving to .net
> http://www.seek.com.au/job/software-developer/melbourne-east/17358904/72/1/
> 
> Another misinformed IT manager.
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RE: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

2010-05-24 Thread Dmitry Yakhnov 
Hi Dale,

They have changed CEO in February, http://bit.ly/jbhificeo

Best regards,
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Subject: RE: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

Interesting,

Anyone know who the IT manager is, I'd love to email him about the factors
that led to the decision. 

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au
http://cfmldocs.com
http://learncf.com
http://flexcf.com

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Subject: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

Looks like JB-HI is moving to .net
http://www.seek.com.au/job/software-developer/melbourne-east/17358904/72/1/

Another misinformed IT manager.

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RE: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

2010-05-24 Thread Dale Fraser 
Interesting,

Anyone know who the IT manager is, I'd love to email him about the factors
that led to the decision. 

Regards
Dale Fraser

http://dale.fraser.id.au
http://cfmldocs.com
http://learncf.com
http://flexcf.com

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Looks like JB-HI is moving to .net
http://www.seek.com.au/job/software-developer/melbourne-east/17358904/72/1/

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RE: [cfaussie] JB-HI Moving to dotnet

2010-05-24 Thread Andrew Scott 
I don't think it is another misinformed IT Manager at all, he might have no
other choice as the pool of CF developer's is next to none.


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Looks like JB-HI is moving to .net
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