Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread Kym Kovan

Hi Brian,

you wrote:

Guys,

Got a session issue with IE 8 but only when its inside a frame set. The
customer wants to put the site in a vanity URL. Its just a frame at 100%
from there site. With IE8 it does not seem to retain session variables
from page to page. I can set some session variables on the first page
and then then use a form to move to the second page. On the second page
the session variables no longer exist. Outside the frameset the site
works fine. The site also work fine in firefox , in both the framed and
unframed site.


It must be a set up in IE8, maybe too secure or something. Try this url 
as its the exact same frameset idea:


http://www.australiancrawlswimmingclub.org.au/

we have hundreds of these little template sites, all work fine. So if 
your IE8 does not work look at that end.



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RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread KNOTT, Brian
I done up some dummy pages.  If you go to http://www.jbk.com.au/test.html it 
will open a frameset, showing you a dump of the session variables and the CFID 
and CFTOKEN.  This is page http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/page1.cfm  .

Page 1
CFID-1098982
CFTOKEN-48951408

If you click on the submit button you are take to page  2 
(http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/page2.cfm  ).  On my version of IE 8, 
and I have tried a few, the CFID and CFTOKEN values have changed, thus so has 
the session variables.

Page2
CFID-1116543
CFTOKEN-68070290

Do you get the same thing.

Brian Knott
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Kym Kovan
Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 9:26 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

Hi Brian,

you wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Got a session issue with IE 8 but only when its inside a frame set. The
> customer wants to put the site in a vanity URL. Its just a frame at 100%
> from there site. With IE8 it does not seem to retain session variables
> from page to page. I can set some session variables on the first page
> and then then use a form to move to the second page. On the second page
> the session variables no longer exist. Outside the frameset the site
> works fine. The site also work fine in firefox , in both the framed and
> unframed site.

It must be a set up in IE8, maybe too secure or something. Try this url
as its the exact same frameset idea:

http://www.australiancrawlswimmingclub.org.au/

we have hundreds of these little template sites, all work fine. So if
your IE8 does not work look at that end.


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RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread KNOTT, Brian
Forgot to add.

The frames work in Firefox.

The session variables work in IE 8 if you go directly to the site 
(http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/page1.cfm )

I think it has something to do with the frame set being form another URL.  If I 
create a frameset on the same server 
(http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/frame.html) then it works.

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Kym Kovan
Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 9:26 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

Hi Brian,

you wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Got a session issue with IE 8 but only when its inside a frame set. The
> customer wants to put the site in a vanity URL. Its just a frame at 100%
> from there site. With IE8 it does not seem to retain session variables
> from page to page. I can set some session variables on the first page
> and then then use a form to move to the second page. On the second page
> the session variables no longer exist. Outside the frameset the site
> works fine. The site also work fine in firefox , in both the framed and
> unframed site.

It must be a set up in IE8, maybe too secure or something. Try this url
as its the exact same frameset idea:

http://www.australiancrawlswimmingclub.org.au/

we have hundreds of these little template sites, all work fine. So if
your IE8 does not work look at that end.


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RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread Steve Onnis
That is classed as cross domain cookies thus your session does not get
retained because the browser does not accept the cookies from the frameset
domain

 



 

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From: KNOTT, Brian [mailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au] 
Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 12:32 PM
To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

 

Forgot to add.

 

The frames work in Firefox.

 

The session variables work in IE 8 if you go directly to the site
(http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/page1.cfm )

 

I think it has something to do with the frame set being form another URL.
If I create a frameset on the same server
(http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/frame.html) then it works.

 

Brian Knott

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Of Kym Kovan

Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 9:26 AM

To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

 

Hi Brian,

 

you wrote:

> Guys,

> 

> Got a session issue with IE 8 but only when its inside a frame set. The

> customer wants to put the site in a vanity URL. Its just a frame at 100%

> from there site. With IE8 it does not seem to retain session variables

> from page to page. I can set some session variables on the first page

> and then then use a form to move to the second page. On the second page

> the session variables no longer exist. Outside the frameset the site

> works fine. The site also work fine in firefox , in both the framed and

> unframed site.

 

It must be a set up in IE8, maybe too secure or something. Try this url

as its the exact same frameset idea:

 

http://www.australiancrawlswimmingclub.org.au/

 

we have hundreds of these little template sites, all work fine. So if

your IE8 does not work look at that end.

 

 

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mbcomms.net.au

 

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Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread MrBuzzy
While this is not exactly related to your problem, there's a pretty good write 
up on sessions here;

http://www.bennadel.com/blog/1536-ColdFusion-Session-Management-And-Asynchronous-Page-Requests.htm
 

And some of the comments are helpful too. 

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On 25/10/2010, at 12:32 PM, "KNOTT, Brian"  wrote:

> Forgot to add.
> 
> The frames work in Firefox.
> 
> The session variables work in IE 8 if you go directly to the site 
> (http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/page1.cfm )
> 
> I think it has something to do with the frame set being form another URL.  If 
> I create a frameset on the same server 
> (http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/frame.html) then it works.
> 
> Brian Knott
> Ph: 07 313 52618 | Ext: 52618 | Mob: 0404 319078
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Kym Kovan
> Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 9:26 AM
> To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> you wrote:
>> Guys,
>> 
>> Got a session issue with IE 8 but only when its inside a frame set. The
>> customer wants to put the site in a vanity URL. Its just a frame at 100%
>> from there site. With IE8 it does not seem to retain session variables
>> from page to page. I can set some session variables on the first page
>> and then then use a form to move to the second page. On the second page
>> the session variables no longer exist. Outside the frameset the site
>> works fine. The site also work fine in firefox , in both the framed and
>> unframed site.
> 
> It must be a set up in IE8, maybe too secure or something. Try this url
> as its the exact same frameset idea:
> 
> http://www.australiancrawlswimmingclub.org.au/
> 
> we have hundreds of these little template sites, all work fine. So if
> your IE8 does not work look at that end.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Kym Kovan
> mbcomms.net.au
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RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread KNOTT, Brian
Is there a way around this?

Brian Knott
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From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Steve Onnis
Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 11:48 AM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8


That is classed as cross domain cookies thus your session does not get retained 
because the browser does not accept the cookies from the frameset domain



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From: KNOTT, Brian [mailto:brian.kn...@suncorp.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 12:32 PM
To: 'cfaussie@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8



Forgot to add.



The frames work in Firefox.



The session variables work in IE 8 if you go directly to the site 
(http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/page1.cfm )



I think it has something to do with the frame set being form another URL.  If I 
create a frameset on the same server 
(http://www.fx4you.info/australia/test/frame.html) then it works.



Brian Knott

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Sent: Monday, 25 October 2010 9:26 AM

To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8



Hi Brian,



you wrote:

> Guys,

>

> Got a session issue with IE 8 but only when its inside a frame set. The

> customer wants to put the site in a vanity URL. Its just a frame at 100%

> from there site. With IE8 it does not seem to retain session variables

> from page to page. I can set some session variables on the first page

> and then then use a form to move to the second page. On the second page

> the session variables no longer exist. Outside the frameset the site

> works fine. The site also work fine in firefox , in both the framed and

> unframed site.



It must be a set up in IE8, maybe too secure or something. Try this url

as its the exact same frameset idea:



http://www.australiancrawlswimmingclub.org.au/



we have hundreds of these little template sites, all work fine. So if

your IE8 does not work look at that end.





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Kym Kovan

mbcomms.net.au



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Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread Kym Kovan

On 25/10/2010 14:07, KNOTT, Brian wrote:

Is there a way around this?


There must be as it doesn't happen on the clubsonline sites. I will 
check with their developers and see what they did.




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RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread KNOTT, Brian
That would be great.  Thanks Kym

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On 25/10/2010 14:07, KNOTT, Brian wrote:
> Is there a way around this?

There must be as it doesn't happen on the clubsonline sites. I will
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RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread Steve Onnis
I notice they have their frameset outside of the head tag. Does that make a
different?

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That would be great.  Thanks Kym

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On 25/10/2010 14:07, KNOTT, Brian wrote:
> Is there a way around this?

There must be as it doesn't happen on the clubsonline sites. I will
check with their developers and see what they did.



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RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread Steve Onnis
Also where have you got the cookies for the session being stored? Client?
database?

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That would be great.  Thanks Kym

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On 25/10/2010 14:07, KNOTT, Brian wrote:
> Is there a way around this?

There must be as it doesn't happen on the clubsonline sites. I will
check with their developers and see what they did.



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Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-24 Thread Kym Kovan

On 25/10/2010 15:41, KNOTT, Brian wrote:

That would be great.  Thanks Kym


and the reply was mainly unprintable about Microsoft :-)

Its all to do with click-jacking and the IE8 security now does not allow 
X-site stuff on almost anything so legit frameset stuff is no longer. 
Apparently the clubsonline stuff does not use sessions very much so they 
worked around it until they had time to fix. Guess who just got 
volunteered to sort it out! :-)


http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/archive/2010/03/30/combating-clickjacking-with-x-frame-options.aspx

and

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2009/01/27/ie8-security-part-vii-clickjacking-defenses.aspx


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RE: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-25 Thread KNOTT, Brian
Found a way to fix this.  If I pass the CFID and CFTOKEN on the URL then it is 
able to keep the session variables.



I did think these parameters where pass on the URL anyway, but not from inside 
this framset.



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Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

On 25/10/2010 15:41, KNOTT, Brian wrote:
> That would be great.  Thanks Kym

and the reply was mainly unprintable about Microsoft :-)

Its all to do with click-jacking and the IE8 security now does not allow
X-site stuff on almost anything so legit frameset stuff is no longer.
Apparently the clubsonline stuff does not use sessions very much so they
worked around it until they had time to fix. Guess who just got
volunteered to sort it out! :-)

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ieinternals/archive/2010/03/30/combating-clickjacking-with-x-frame-options.aspx

and

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2009/01/27/ie8-security-part-vii-clickjacking-defenses.aspx


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Re: [cfaussie] Sessions problem with IE8

2010-10-25 Thread Kym Kovan

On 26/10/2010 12:47, KNOTT, Brian wrote:

Found a way to fix this.  If I pass the CFID and CFTOKEN on the URL then it is 
able to keep the session variables.



I did think these parameters where pass on the URL anyway, but not from inside 
this framset.



Good timing! I was about to post to the List the way top handle it, 
which I should have remembered yesterday, oh well.


This is what URLSessionFormat() is for. Wrap your form post url in it 
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