I totally agree, and I think that adding CF licenses on top of all those costs as well as the need to support another product probably does not encourage hosting companies to offer ColdFusion as an option. Perhaps Adobe already do deals for hosting companies but if they don't, that is maybe one small way to encourage growth. Glad you replied because I often have people ask me about ColdFusion hosting in Australia and I struggle to recommend one because my experience with the ones I've had to deal with, including the one that was alluded to earlier (that charges about 4 times as much as everyone else) has not been good.
From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Onnis Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:47 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet I agree with the Hosting point you made though there are a number of hosting companies that do CF hosting that know what they are doing such as myself (NovaHost), and FastHit to name a couple. The issue of being competitive is not an issue of CF, but more an issue of the high cost of setting up and running IT infrastructure in Australia, the main one being the cost of bandwidth within datacentres. To give you an idea, I am in the middle of moving datacentres and the cost per month is a little over 2k for a full rack and some data and thats with no hardware, then the cost of hardware and maintenance of that...its not a cheap exercise. Then adding the cost of software and updates, it gets quite hight _____ From: Cassie Woolley [mailto:cas...@bluerocksoftware.com] Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:39 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet Part of the issue for me has always been hosting. Don't get me wrong, I know there ARE hosts in Australia but I have found it difficult to find competitive and reliable ColdFusion hosting with comparable service levels, including staff that know ColdFusion really well and can support it adequately. Perhaps part of the push needs to be incentives to Australian hosting companies to offer it as well as better training for their staff in how to set it up and support it. Years ago when I worked for WebRaven we pushed to get ColdFusion into the curriculum of one of the universities. I don't know if they have stuck with it. If they are not already, then Adobe needs to find ways to get the next generation trained up in ColdFusion and in Universities and even High Schools is the best place to start with that. From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Mandel Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:25 PM To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Scott <andr...@andyscott.id.au> wrote: but until Adobe come in and push like firmware used to do and promote the product it will not be a serious contender here in Australia. Again, I'll ask the question - HOW? I honestly have no idea how firmware used to push it, I started CF just around the end of firmware, so I missed out on it. To be completely frank, I think IMHO Adobe is listening (they may be slow to move, but they are listening) to what is happening in ANZ, but we're not really giving them a clear message on what exactly we want done other than 'this sucks'. We're being a bit of the quintessential client that is saying 'I don't like it, but keep changing it and I'll tell you when I do', which we all know and love. I mean, we all complained about how hard/painful/etc it was the actually just buy ColdFusion in ANZ, now there are dedicated resellers in the region to help solve that problem. Case in point, we presented a real problem, and a solution was provided. So what could Adobe be doing better? If this question can be answered well, I can put my ACP hat on with something I can actually take to Adobe, and maybe a solution can be reached... or at least, a discussion can be started. Mark -- E: mark.man...@gmail.com T: http://www.twitter.com/neurotic W: www.compoundtheory.com cf.Objective(ANZ) - Nov 18, 19 - Melbourne Australia http://www.cfobjective.com.au Hands-on ColdFusion ORM Training www.ColdFusionOrmTraining.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaus...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.
