I totally agree, and I think that adding CF licenses on top of all those
costs as well as the need to support another product probably does not
encourage hosting companies to offer ColdFusion as an option.  Perhaps Adobe
already do deals for hosting companies but if they don't, that is maybe one
small way to encourage growth. Glad you replied because I often have people
ask me about ColdFusion hosting in Australia and I struggle to recommend one
because my experience with the ones I've had to deal with, including the one
that was alluded to earlier (that charges about 4 times as much as everyone
else) has not been good.

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Onnis
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:47 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: SPAM-LOW: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

 

I agree with the Hosting point you made though there are a number of hosting
companies that do CF hosting that know what they are doing such as myself
(NovaHost), and FastHit to name a couple.  The issue of being competitive is
not an issue of CF, but more an issue of the high cost of setting up and
running IT infrastructure in Australia, the main one being the cost of
bandwidth within datacentres.  To give you an idea, I am in the middle of
moving datacentres and the cost per month is a little over 2k for a full
rack and some data and thats with no hardware, then the cost of hardware and
maintenance of that...its not a cheap exercise. Then adding the cost of
software and updates, it gets quite hight

 

  _____  

From: Cassie Woolley [mailto:cas...@bluerocksoftware.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:39 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

Part of the issue for me has always been hosting.  Don't get me wrong, I
know there ARE hosts in Australia but I have found it difficult to find
competitive and reliable ColdFusion hosting with comparable service levels,
including staff that know ColdFusion really well and can support it
adequately.  Perhaps part of the push needs to be incentives to Australian
hosting companies to offer it as well as better training for their staff in
how to set it up and support it.

 

Years ago when I worked for WebRaven we pushed to get ColdFusion into the
curriculum of one of the universities.  I don't know if they have stuck with
it. If they are not already, then Adobe needs to find ways to get the next
generation trained up in ColdFusion and in Universities and even High
Schools is the best place to start with that. 

 

From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaus...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark Mandel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2010 1:25 PM
To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [cfaussie] Re: JB-HI Moving to dotnet

 

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Andrew Scott <andr...@andyscott.id.au>
wrote:

but until Adobe come in and push like firmware used to do and promote the
product it will not be a serious contender here in Australia.


Again, I'll ask the question - HOW?

I honestly have no idea how firmware used to push it, I started CF just
around the end of firmware, so I missed out on it.

To be completely frank, I think IMHO Adobe is listening (they may be slow to
move, but they are listening) to what is happening in ANZ, but we're not
really giving them a clear message on what exactly we want done other than
'this sucks'.

We're being a bit of the quintessential client that is saying 'I don't like
it, but keep changing it and I'll tell you when I do', which we all know and
love.

I mean, we all complained about how hard/painful/etc it was the actually
just buy ColdFusion in ANZ, now there are dedicated resellers in the region
to help solve that problem.  Case in point, we presented a real problem, and
a solution was provided.

So what could Adobe be doing better?  If this question can be answered well,
I can put my ACP hat on with something I can actually take to Adobe, and
maybe a solution can be reached... or at least, a discussion can be started.

Mark

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