Re: [Chat] free veggie plants
Hi, Linda, All the veggies have now found garden homes. Cheers, Cathy - Original Message - From: "Linda Forlifer" To: "The Charles Village Chat List" Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [Chat] free veggie plants Hi Cathy, If you still have a green bean seedling, I'd be happy to give it a home in my garden. Linda Cathy Goucher 5/13/2012 4:54 PM >>> Hi, My daughter and I planted more seedlings than we can use for our deck garden. Please let me know if you might be interested in seedlings: (3) pickling-style cukes (ORGANIC Burpee), (7) Summer Squash (Burpee), (6) bush style green beans (Burpee). I could leave them out on the front porch for pickup. Cheers, Cathy Goucher ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/ ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] free veggie plants
Hi, My daughter and I planted more seedlings than we can use for our deck garden. Please let me know if you might be interested in seedlings: (3) pickling-style cukes (ORGANIC Burpee), (7) Summer Squash (Burpee), (6) bush style green beans (Burpee). I could leave them out on the front porch for pickup. Cheers, Cathy Goucher ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
Re: [Chat] Have you heard the news?
Yes, the fire house on 3123 Greenmount reopened after an extensive renovation and currently houses Engine 31 and Medic 3. Truck 7 was also housed there until 2001 when they were permenently closed. The city shudders companies from houses with multiple units so the locals in that neighborhood don't "feel" unprotected. Jason - Original Message - From: "Joshua Fruhlinger" To: "The Charles Village Chat List" Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [Chat] Have you heard the news? More importantly, collectively, Charles Villagers have already sacrificed their safety in recent past with the permanent closures of Truck Co. 7 (formerly at 3123 Greenmount)... Didn't the firehouse at 3123 Greenmount reopen? jf ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/ ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] Have you heard the news?
Hi, everyone, More likely than not, you have heard the woefully brief coverage of the latest round of fire company closings slated for July 1, 2012. THESE CHANGES WILL DIRECTLY AFFECT YOU, YOUR PROPERTIES, AND SAFETY! Among those companies to be closed is Truck 15 located on Montford Avenue (East Baltimore, just north of JHU Medical campus). This will necessitate Engine 33 being PERMANENTLY MOVED to that station house and NO LONGER SERVING THE GREATER CHARLES VILLAGE/BARCLAY/HOMESTEAD areas. While Engine 31 will remain in place, thanks in large part to the wonderful efforts of local politicians, your next closest Engine Company, #33, will be leaving the area. Response times for emergencies- fire and otherwise- WILL GO UP. The current station housing Engine 33, at 25th and Kirk Avenues, will still be open, but will only house a Truck Company #5. So, if you are concerned about the City's continuing efforts to close fire companies, permanently move others, and, overall, to understaff the fire department- YOUR DEFENSE AGAINST FIRES THAT CAN AND DO HAPPEN QUICKLY IN TURN OF THE CENTURY ROWHOMES- than please make some noise and let City Hall- the Mayor and your Councilperson- know how you feel. Yes, we as a family have a personal stake in the matter, with Jason having worked in the BCFD for eighteen years, but, you and your family do, too! During his time in the Department, we have seen A DOZEN companies cut. More importantly, collectively, Charles Villagers have already sacrificed their safety in recent past with the permanent closures of Truck Co. 7 (formerly at 3123 Greenmount), Truck Co. 9 (formerly on Roland Ave. in Hampden) and Engine Co. 19 (formerly at Guilford & Mt.Royal Aves.). Is there another neighborhood in the City that has sacrified so greatly? Not sure, but it begs the question. We pay an awful lot in taxes, but are being asked yet again to sacrifice more safety to the City's budget woes. And the C.V.C.B.D. can't make up for this one folks. Here's more: http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-04-05/news/bs-md-ci-clack-closures-20120405_1_fire-chief-james-clack-fire-companies-fire-stations Thanks for considering making some noise with me, Cathy Goucher 2700 North Calvert St ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
Re: [Chat] Adorable Bull Terrier found!
Hi, again, everyone, We were advised to take him to the SPCA and they scanned his chip and were trying to get in touch with his owner. All should be well. It was quite a sweet adventure. Enjoy the weekend, The Goucher - Original Message - From: judy berlin To: The Charles Village Chat List Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [Chat] Adorable Bull Terrier found! does he look well nourished? if so maybe he has a chip in him. sounds adorable. judy On 03/03/2012 11:50 AM, Goucher wrote: Hi, everyone, A very cute, sweet natured Bull Terrier, approx. 2-4 yrs old, just came bounding in our front door as we opened it, ready to play. He is now chilling out in our high-fenced back"yard" waiting for his family to come pick him up. Please let us know if he is yours: Black and tan with a creamy belly; grey collar; 2-4 yrs old. 2700 North Calvert Street 410-467-2669 Hope to help him get back home today- Cathy and Jason Goucher ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/ -- ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/ ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] Adorable Bull Terrier found!
Hi, everyone, A very cute, sweet natured Bull Terrier, approx. 2-4 yrs old, just came bounding in our front door as we opened it, ready to play. He is now chilling out in our high-fenced back"yard" waiting for his family to come pick him up. Please let us know if he is yours: Black and tan with a creamy belly; grey collar; 2-4 yrs old. 2700 North Calvert Street 410-467-2669 Hope to help him get back home today- Cathy and Jason Goucher___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
Re: [Chat] Clothes donation
We use Vietnam Veterans of America reliably and are now on their periodic call list for donations. They pick up from the porch, even with bags left out of sight from the street, as long as the bags are clearly marked V V A and are left on the porch by 8 am that morning of pickup. 1-800-459-VETS (8387) Cathy Goucher 2700 North Calvert - Original Message - From: Greg Alexander To: Chat Charles Village Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:28 PM Subject: [Chat] Clothes donation Does anyone have any recommendations of how to donate clothes? Tried the shelter on St Paul and they are not interested. Tried Purple Heart and they never came today after we drug out all the boxes last night. Called and they said if they cannot see it from the street they don't stop. As you all know in Charles Village our built-up porches make it impossible to see something from the street unless I put it on the steps where inevitably people would rummage through it. So need an organization that actually knows what they are doing. Greg Alexander Freelance Writer/Editor Editor, Mason-Dixon Arrive 2629 Guilford Avenue Baltimore, MD 21218 410-243-3387 ugagra...@yahoo.com www.gregoryjalexander.com -- ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/ ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] Give Corps featuring Make Studio for their "Big Give" TUESDAY
Greetings, everyone, My non-profit, Make Studio Art Program, for adult artists with disabilities, located in the Station North Arts District, is featured as the "Big Give" TOMORROW- Tuesday, 11/22- at GiveCorps.com (see link below). A super quick sign up and you or a friend can consider making a donation toward a collective effort to "stock the studio" with art materials for 2012. In return, one receives a co-featured local merchant coupon for a generous discount. Make Studio artists and staff are grateful for your considering supporting our creative work and would be equally grateful for your help in sharing this link with others- Happy Thanks GIVING, neighbors!! https://givecorps.com/projects/82-make-studio-stock-the-studio Warmly, Cathy Goucher www.make-studio.org___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
Re: [Chat] private trash collection
Christine is correct, John, a private hauler has been picking up the dumpsters at the back of the apartment bldg for years at between 5 and 6 am. It was super fun to have infants awakened by them routinely ;-D Never knew there were ordinances against this... Cathy - Original Message - From: John Spurrier To: discuss...@charlesvillage.info ; chat@charlesvillage.info Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:41 AM Subject: [Chat] private trash collection Has anyone been disturbed by trash haulers who empty dumpsters early in the morning? The law prohibits the private trash truch from collecting trash and emptying dumpsters before 7:00 am. This morning I confonted the operators of a truck emptying a dumpster behind 2645-47 North Charles Street when I was awakened by the truck before 6:00 am. I am curious how widespread this problem is in Charles Village. John -- ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/ ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] Sweet dog in need of home- can you help?
Hi, all, Passing this on for a work colleague who is seeking a good home for a loved one's dog. Contact info at the bottom. Thanks, Cathy Goucher LOVING HOME NEEDED My name is Marigold. I am a personable and lovable 2 and a half year old 71 lb. beauty: part lab, part American bulldog, part boxer and part pit. I am energetic - I love to go on walks, take long hikes in the woods and play ball. I will bond with you and therefore will not want to share you with other dogs or young children in a home. Cats are OK by me (see below). I like playing with other dogs when I am out. I think that I am a lapdog and will greet you enthusiastically by jumping up to kiss you, but I am very smart and will respond to more training. I am crate trained but when my humans are home, I like to be with them. I have a crate, leashes, dishes, toys and other supplies. My medical records are up to date. My family can't keep me due to their health issues, but they wouldn't take me to a shelter. So now I am living in a kennel and I am very sad because I want to be in a home. If you can give me the attention I need, I would be so happy to be your loving and loyal companion! Please e-mail ndr...@gmail.com or call 443-904-5532 for more information. <><><>___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
Re: [Chat] trees in the 2700 block of Calvert
I agree, their treatment was not good. The young pin oaks, which did not need to be trimmed at all, took a particular beating. However, the bradford pear in front of our house was desperately in need of having its bottom branch removed before it fell off and onto someone, so grateful to see that one trimmed. I sadly can't imagine that proper training is high on the budgeted priority list- not an excuse, just a sad reality. Cathy - Original Message - From: Christine Gray To: pduv...@greaterhomewood.org ; 'Charles Village Discussion List' ; 'The Charles Village Chat List' Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:07 PM Subject: [Chat] trees in the 2700 block of Calvert Was anyone else bothered by the butchering of trees on their block in CV. Yesterday, three city employees were hacking at the tree in the well in front of my house. These people obviously knew/know nothing about tree pruning. After finishing with that one-and removing major limbs-they went to the next and took off every branch except those at the very top. The tree looks comical now, like something out of Dr. Seuss with a top knot. They kept on up the block and across the street. Peter, are these people given any instruction on how to prune a tree? And I don't think December is the time of year to prune. Thank you, Christine Gray -- ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/ ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] UPDATE!!kitty found!!
Rosie is home safe and sound as of 6:15 this evening! She is happily sleeping...likely didn't get much in the past few days on the street. I pass along my deepest gratitude to everyone tonight who sent positive wishes our way and who helped in the search. Most especially, THANK YOU to the Matthews-Hale Family for spotting Rosie in their alley and marching her right on over to us! Charles Village community at its best! With gratitude, The Goucher Family - Original Message - From: Goucher To: The Charles Village Chat List Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: PLEASE pass along: missing kitty!! Hi, everyone- particularly those in the 2700 block areas of Calvert, Guilford, and St. Paul. We just returned from a brief trip to the shore and came home to find our cat, Rosie, (about 3 years old) missing. She has a chip ID implant, so I am hoping someone will pick her up and have her checked. But, if you see her, she is a dark tabby cat with splashes of white on her face, a stubby tail, and a white tummy that sways when she walks. Most concerning to me is that when we adopted her, she had previously been declawed, so she has been an indoor cat! If you have seen her, please let us know. We are very worried. Cathy___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] welcoming spring and the return of the brazen season of prostitution
Hi, all- I know that I have sought advice from the group before about how to proceed with letting the appropriate authorities know of prostitution in front of my house, but I am in needing of reminding about who in the City to contact. Very early this morning, two provocative "women" were on the corner of 27th and Calvert, and one ran screaming up and down 27th around 4 am (it remains unclear as to why). I have called 911 and 311 in the past about the activity, which goes inside (perhaps in one of the rentals next door) during the colder months, but returns to the open air as the weather warms. It is unsettling to say the least and I'd like to get the proper authorities on it ASAP. Thanks for any productive information you might send my way... I am not looking for debate on prostitution, the part it plays in drug or gang activity, etc., just contacts in the City to address the issue, thanks. Cathy Goucher ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] Table of four FREE tickets to a fundraising Gala TONIGHT!!!!!
Good afternoon, all- City Neighbors Charter School, on Raspe Avenue in the Northeast corner of the City close to Overlea, is holding their annual fundraising Gala TONIGHT, 5/2 from 7-9:30. There is live music, light fare, beer and wine, a silent auction, and a 50/50 raffle all to benefit the school. Jason and I already bought tickets and are unable to use four, which is its own table. They are already paid for, all you need to do is go, take money to support the school through the raffle and silent auction items, and have fun! Please let me know if you would be interested in the 4 tickets. First come, first served! For those CV parents investigating charter schools for the future- this would be a super fun way to see what a GREAT school this is!!! Warmly, Cathy and Jason Goucher 410-467-2669___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
[Chat] Target West and The Parkside Restaurant
Hi, everyone- Just wanting to share with folks my recent good experiences at both the new Target in Mondawmin and at The Parkside Restaurant, recently opened on Harford Road. First the Target- been there twice now and the customer service couldn't be better. Stopped in at two different times- once it was quiet, had just opened for the day; the other time, today, it was bustling, but STILL great service and a well-cared for store. Felt very safe (obvious police presence both times), parking was fantastic, particularly compared to the dreadful parking at the Towson Target, and was there in about 10 minutes from home! What an asset to the City! Went with the family to Parkside Restaurant tonight for the first time and sat in the "children's section," where we had a DELICIOUS meal, for a very reasonable price, and watched the kids have a blast in the play area fully stocked with toys, a fun raised platform area, perfect for meal time performances from creative kids, and it was cordoned off so we didn't need worry about escapees while we dined! The manager stopped by the table and welcomed usLOVELY time! Just wanted to share some holiday joy experienced, delightfully, without a trek to a surrounding county! Happy Holidays, everyone, and here's hoping these City gems and those like them remain and prosper in the New Year! Cathy Goucher___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
Re: [Chat] "Blue Mass" at St. John's
Thanks for spreading the word on this to our community, Drew. My husband has attended in years past and said it is a very nice service. Our first responders do a tremendous job in this citywe pray for them and our very own firefighter every day! Cathy, Angus, and Thea Goucher - Original Message - From: Drew Walker To: chat Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:21 PM Subject: [Chat] "Blue Mass" at St. John's Hi all, Tuesday evening, April 22, at 6:30 pm St. John's Church (3009 Greenmount) is hosting the annual Baltimore "Blue Mass," a community-wide service of prayer for police, fire-fighters, and paramedic teams of Baltimore City. Several city officials and members of these units will be in attendance, and there will be a reception following the service to honor their service to the community. (N.B. The church asks that this be a purely religious occasion for offering prayers and support, not political statements.) Whatever your religious affiliation or lack thereof, this service will offer beautiful music and an uplifting spirit for the community in the form of a traditional Episcopal Mass. We'd like to invite the whole community to attend. Please see the attached flier if you are interested and let me know (or contact the church) if you have any questions. Yours, Drew -- ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
Re: [Chat] Assessment notices...nothing like it for rousing New Year cheer
Good morningthanks, gentlemen, for your opening discussion comments. I remain unclear, however, as to how land value alone could have climbed from 30 to 40 K three years ago to 140 K in this latest assessment. Again, Calvert St offers no beautiful water view, quiet cul-de-sac, bucolic vistas, etc.. I did appeal an assessment two cycles ago and won. At the time, in referencing the property worksheet I was sent, I found errors with regard to the number of bathrooms and kitchens assigned to the home, as well as made the case then for the noise and pollution factors impacting my home due to location. Despite the property values having risen in recent years in CV (and, yes, I would imagine the rising assessments as having the potential to negatively impact future home sales in the area), I continue to feel unshaken in my resolve to appeal... Cathy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat@charlesvillage.info ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2008 1:01 AM Subject: Re: [Chat] Assessment notices...nothing like it for rousing New Year cheer According to www.dat.state.md.us, here are all the sales on Abell Avenue (where I live) in 2007: DateAddress Price 10/17/07 3042 ABELL AVE 0 10/10/07 3019 ABELL AVE 275,000 9/25/07 3107 ABELL AVE 280,000 8/20/07 3245 ABELL AVE 275,000 8/17/07 3028 ABELL AVE 264,000 8/16/07 3309 ABELL AVE 283,000 8/16/07 3307 ABELL AVE 174,900 7/25/07 3307 ABELL AVE 140,000 7/23/07 3236 ABELL AVE 268,000 6/14/07 3136 ABELL AVE 235,000 6/12/07 3043 ABELL AVE 281,000 5/8/07 3202 ABELL AVE 0 4/9/07 3205 ABELL AVE 280,000 1/4/07 3006 ABELL AVE 0 Presumably the zeros are refinances. So there were 11 sales, of which eight were above $260,000 My reassessment takes me from $89,720 to $246,080. On the one hand, this is incredible. On the other hand, this is apparently probably less than my house is worth. So it doesn't seem likely that I could successfully appeal the new assesssment. One thing that will be interesting to see is whether the new higher assessments will have a negative effect on sales prices, since new owners pay the full valuation with no 4%-per-year cap. Happy 2008... -Matthew In a message dated 12/31/07 11:12:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our home in Parkville climbed from an actual sale price of $121k in 2002 to appraised value of $198k today, or about 8.5% per year over six years. From its sale in 1992 at $102k to my purchase in 2002 the price of the home raised by only $18,150, or 1.6% per year over ten years. I can't imagine that I would get that much on the open market today (if it were possible to sell at all -- some neighbors have been on the market for over 12 months now), but comparable properties that _have_ sold went for no less than $200k in the last 12 months, so it's hard for me to pull an example from recent local real estate transactions that proves the new valuation is poorly founded. Is it reasonable to protest the increase on the basis that my house is not a better investment vehicle than my 401(k) in the dot com boom? This is housing bubble logic, pure and simple. -- Rob Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://vees.net/ On Dec 31, 2007, at 9:27 PM, JASON GOUCHER wrote: Hi, Fellow Charles Village Homeowners! Anyone else feeling pummeled after receiving their recent Assessment Notices? We received ours today and our new market value is MORE THAN DOUBLED from the previous assessment notice three years ago. Most alarming to me is the land valuation MORE THAN TRIPLING from the previous assessment. I don't know about anyone else's perception, but living on North Calvert Street has not gotten any quieter, cleaner, or less traveled over the past three years. In fact, we are still reeling and dealing with the aftermath of the recent sewer installation that had us enjoying a very large and deep pit on the side of our home for the first quarter of 07. Jason and I are obviously appealing this assessment, but were just wondering what others were thinking or planning to do in response to their most recent valuations/assessments? Despite this most recent affront from the City and State...really, Happy New Year to everyone! Cheers to the Village! Cathy Goucher ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/ = ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo
[Chat] Assessment notices...nothing like it for rousing New Year cheer
Hi, Fellow Charles Village Homeowners! Anyone else feeling pummeled after receiving their recent Assessment Notices? We received ours today and our new market value is MORE THAN DOUBLED from the previous assessment notice three years ago. Most alarming to me is the land valuation MORE THAN TRIPLING from the previous assessment. I don't know about anyone else's perception, but living on North Calvert Street has not gotten any quieter, cleaner, or less traveled over the past three years. In fact, we are still reeling and dealing with the aftermath of the recent sewer installation that had us enjoying a very large and deep pit on the side of our home for the first quarter of 07. Jason and I are obviously appealing this assessment, but were just wondering what others were thinking or planning to do in response to their most recent valuations/assessments? Despite this most recent affront from the City and State...really, Happy New Year to everyone! Cheers to the Village! Cathy Goucher ___ Chat mailing list Chat@charlesvillage.info http://charlesvillage.info/mailman/listinfo/chat_charlesvillage.info archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/chat@charlesvillage.info/
