Re: [freenet-chat] Hammity ham ham
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 09:32:42AM -0400, Timm Murray wrote: Thoughts? Comments? Flame-fest? I found this page which explains things in (a little) more detail. http://www.twelvestar.com/Sourceworks/Tesla%20Radiant%20Energy.html This one is about Tesla's system for broadcasting free power to the masses, but I think the principles must be similar. I have a feeling that to get any distance you would need absurdly high potentials... Sounds a promising system though - I can't see how discharging energy into the ground could be objected to by even the wierdest government. -- Leo Howell M5AKW freenet:MSK@SSK@2vz8xnhEJyJOlBVNfBEOWaohQFEQAgE/freesite// PGP signature
[freenet-chat] Is sourceforge severely firewalled?
Hi, I've compiled a prog from my user account on sourceforge, but it doesn't seem to run. Works ok on my own system. It occurred to me that sourceforge might not be allowing outgoing FCP connections (port 8082). Anyone know what the deal is here? Cheers David
[freenet-chat] cardiac shadow
could anybody please tell me the causes of obliteration of rt cardiac shadow on cxr and the most common of these in india anticipatingly thankful drsandy _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:17:12AM +1200, David McNab wrote: Can someone please recommend the best Linux or Linuces for Freenet, and in general. (intel platform). Both Debian and Redhat have few problems, you just install a JDK (I prefer IBM's although it isn't OpenSource), and off you go. Generally, Debian gives you more control, but Redhat is easier for the newbie. Ian. PGP signature
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
The Freenet package is part of Debian now Holy shit - what a coup! - Original Message - From: Mr.Bad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux? IC == Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IC Generally, Debian gives you more control, but Redhat is easier IC for the newbie. That's changing all the time, though. The Freenet package is part of Debian now, and can be installed using this command: apt-get install freenet Which, like, how can that get easier? ~Mr. Bad -- ~ Mr. Bad [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ freenet:MSK@SSK@u1AntQcZ81Y4c2tJKd1M87cZvPoQAge/pigdog+journal// Statements like this give the impression that this article was written by a madman in a drug induced rage -- Ben Franklin ~ ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:39:05AM +1200, David McNab wrote: The Freenet package is part of Debian now Holy shit - what a coup! Not forgetting of course that Debian can be installed directly from Freenet, thanks to EOF. -- Leo Howell M5AKW freenet:MSK@SSK@2vz8xnhEJyJOlBVNfBEOWaohQFEQAgE/freesite// PGP signature
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
David McNab ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The Freenet package is part of Debian now Version 0.3.8.1. The newest version of Freenet isn't packaged yet. Holy shit - what a coup! jekyll:~$ apt-cache search . | wc 7058 56338 378800 Debian GNU/Linux (unstable). Over 7000 packages and growing. And most of them even work. ;-) (2 of those 7058 are opera and opera-static, which aren't part of Debian, so they don't count. But other than that, I've got nothing nonstandard in sources.list except for non-free.) On the other hand, you said you had trouble with Mandrake 8 and kernel drivers. If this is the case, you'll probably have even more trouble with Debian -- the installation is not as polished as Mandrake's, and the stable Debian has fairly old versions of the kernel and XFree86 by some people's standards. (Hint: if you think a Pentium II is obsolete technology, or if you expect your 2-week-old video card to be supported by X out of the box, or if you rely on tools like YaST or linuxconf, you're going to be frustrated by Debian.) -- Greg Wooledge | Truth belongs to everybody. [EMAIL PROTECTED] |- The Red Hot Chili Peppers http://wooledge.org/~greg/ | PGP signature
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
On 6 May 2001, Mr.Bad wrote: The Freenet package is part of Debian now, and can be installed using this command: apt-get install freenet Which, like, how can that get easier? My Pure Concept Linux system is way easier. I simply *think* about having an anonymous, uncensorable network andhey, I just liberated all the purely conceptual people from their purely conceptual oppressive governments! -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
My Pure Concept Linux system is way easier. I simply *think* about having an anonymous, uncensorable network andhey, I just liberated all the purely conceptual people from their purely conceptual oppressive governments! Oh dear :[ And meanwhile, a Chinese dissident being tortured in prison for publishing pro-democracy essays on the web just has to *think* he's free and - hey presto! - he's conceptually free! - Original Message - From: Mark J. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux? On 6 May 2001, Mr.Bad wrote: The Freenet package is part of Debian now, and can be installed using this command: apt-get install freenet Which, like, how can that get easier? My Pure Concept Linux system is way easier. I simply *think* about having an anonymous, uncensorable network andhey, I just liberated all the purely conceptual people from their purely conceptual oppressive governments! -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
Considering: Done! Results: fuckem! These posts are on public record and could be admissible in court. - Original Message - From: Mr.Bad [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc. MA == Michael Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MA Note to Freenet producers and users: Consider the aim to move MA various industries in which digitized information is the MA central product to more sane, rational, humane, and just MA methods of operation based on freenet-ish distribution MA schemes. Considering: Done! Results: fuckem! ~Mr. Bad -- ~ Mr. Bad [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ freenet:MSK@SSK@u1AntQcZ81Y4c2tJKd1M87cZvPoQAge/pigdog+journal// Statements like this give the impression that this article was written by a madman in a drug induced rage -- Ben Franklin ~ ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
[freenet-chat] Re: [Fairshare] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
On Sun, 6 May 2001, Michael Albert wrote: Consider the aim to move various industries in which digitized information is the central product to more sane, rational, humane, and just methods of operation based on freenet-ish distribution schemes. My knowledge of his that option, promptly arise, it, any type of freenet is thinking in practice even a waffle bat with existing firms mired in the distribution of distribution norm, a big questions that in the elite money a community that because of work, in this doesn't take that revenues parecon are largely due the latter principles and sacrifice, no profits, and taking a new technologies, that benefits listeners: whatever is in fact, however, this technology throws in which in the a ballplayer earn, should we need to contribution to all this, doesn't take that arise and consumers, no one might reply, people doing to get to disperse the Freenet producers and works, and inducements, as for the premiums to product plays a charge for luck in the premiums to written extensively about remuneration according to parents were you will argue that lets him with brains also has, notice, not only for effort someone who is susceptible to hobbyist pursuits. Consider the norm, a big noble prize winning right wing economist and continually practice, that the free hours they work that we are doing work and writers and five seconds later for the economy, in the product. Have the question: making, and many such: a community of certain new technologies, that artist's product notice, not product which will. The benefits listeners. The overall community. Britney Spears, or enjoyment or other possibility. How much should a second level of digitized information industries are quite aware, from selling the genetic lottery either; could be there are largely due the answer I would likely according to work to actuality, blasts copyright law and No profits, doubt you don't remunerate participants; according to reward; property to conform to also move as possible: and writers and sacrifice, and one can choose to start; per se, but not in this. Okay for the thing is said, are quite aware, from potential to compete with brains also set your case to compete with a just methods of course as the premiums to get to, take that option, and many of their effort and maybe for those in essence a being very the consumption of musicians, and neither taking a custodian? It is to all but that they it, freenet as well. And succeed in the incomes of listeners whatever is the noble prize winning right wing economist and on grounds freenet as well that arise it is, not all, in the form of course. -- ...it must be held that third-party electronic monitoring, subject only to the self-restraint of law enforcement officials, has no place in our society... Mark Roberts | [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
GW == Greg Wooledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Me The Freenet package is part of Debian now GW Version 0.3.8.1. The newest version of Freenet isn't packaged GW yet. Grrr. d00d, cut me some slack. How many other .deb's get out even the week of the release, much less 3-4 days afterwards? Criminy. ~Mr. Bad -- ~ Mr. Bad [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ freenet:MSK@SSK@u1AntQcZ81Y4c2tJKd1M87cZvPoQAge/pigdog+journal// Statements like this give the impression that this article was written by a madman in a drug induced rage -- Ben Franklin ~ ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:49:58PM +0100, Leo Howell wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:39:05AM +1200, David McNab wrote: The Freenet package is part of Debian now Holy shit - what a coup! Not forgetting of course that Debian can be installed directly from Freenet, thanks to EOF. Which does create a slight chicken and egg issue ;-) Ian. PGP signature
Re: [freenet-chat] Best flavour of Linux?
From: Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 11:49:58PM +0100, Leo Howell wrote: On Mon, May 07, 2001 at 10:39:05AM +1200, David McNab wrote: The Freenet package is part of Debian now Holy shit - what a coup! Not forgetting of course that Debian can be installed directly from Freenet, thanks to EOF. Which does create a slight chicken and egg issue ;-) Chicken omlette washed down with a cup of mocha java. ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
DM == David McNab [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These posts are on public record and could be admissible in court. DM And (in case I need to clarify) that is *not* a threat from DM me. I would never initiate or cooperate in any action against DM any Freenet developer or supporter. DM What I'm saying is that these posts contain email headers. In DM sending messages to Freenet mailing lists, one may as well put DM the message in the New York Times public notices section, DM complete with one's name and address. No, I absolutely completely agree. Let me be more clear: what I mean to express is my personal opinion. That opinion is as follows: a) Nobody owes artists a living. b) The best art is DIY and almost always goes without payment. c) I feel no personal or moral obligation to support a corrupt, criminal* organization like the entertainment business. Also, 1) I don't speak for Freenet, 2) The aim of Freenet is to prevent censorship of online publishing and NOT to distribute free music/images/movies, and 3) (my ultimate point) the aim of Freenet -- a digital world that preserves essential civil rights -- is in my mind far more important than the profits of entertainment conglomerates. Lastly: (and more to the original point) I don't think it's the responsibility of Freenet to figure out a way to bail out artists. IN PARTICULAR, I resent once again the implication that Freenet is somehow unfair to musicians and it's somehow our job to develop an ancillary way to pay them. Freenet is not about sharing music. It's about publishing. We don't, and shouldn't, have mechanisms for tipping musicians built into Freenet, just as we don't have a word processor or Egyptian barley tax calculation program built into Freenet. It's not what we're for, it's not what we do. As for ways for artists to continue surviving while making art: the vast majority of artists already have a way to do this. It's called a DAY JOB. Personally, I think the de-professionalization of art and music will make for a lower barrier to entry, and therefore a broader base of musicians and artists, and therefore MORE MUSIC and ART. If people feel driven to give money to improve and increase the arts -- which, like, how could that be a bad thing? -- here are some alternate suggestions besides some over-complicated digital hoohaw: * There are innumerable arts organizations in existence that give grants to artists. Most are losing federal and state funding. Give them your money. * Donate to your local public school system's music program. Many public schools across America have cut back or eliminated their music, art and/or theater programs for lack of funds -- this is much more of a threat to America's artistic life and heritage than any copyright violation could ever be. * Go see local bands -- especially at cooperatively-owned alternative venues. * Go to raves -- especially ones thrown by rave collectives, which are usually the best anyways. * Buy zines. * Buy something tangible and non-digitizable, like a sculpture or a painting. * Start a band. * Make a mural. * Write a novel. The thing is, there's so many other threats to good art, music, and culture, that we should be spending our time worrying about those, and not just a few traded files. ~Mr. Bad * That's not an empty accusation -- the Big 5 record companies have settled with the Feds, accepting responsibility for collusion and price-fixing. That's a crime -- worth billions of dollars. Last I checked, there were numerous state lawsuits against the record companies, too. -- ~ Mr. Bad [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ freenet:MSK@SSK@u1AntQcZ81Y4c2tJKd1M87cZvPoQAge/pigdog+journal// Statements like this give the impression that this article was written by a madman in a drug induced rage -- Ben Franklin ~ ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
Re: [freenet-chat] Remuneration for artists via Freenet...etc.
TB == Travis Bemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: TB Look - what we need to do is to destroy the entire capitalist TB system, not to just copy copyrighted media and pay musicians TB anonymously. Do you have some user interface ideas? I'm thinking one big button: ++ |\__/| | | || | | Destroy Capitalist System || | | || |/--\| ++ ...right in the middle of Fred. Of course, for those who prefer command-line syntax, freenet_destroy -what Capitalist System -how-much entire ~Mr. Bad -- ~ Mr. Bad [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ freenet:MSK@SSK@u1AntQcZ81Y4c2tJKd1M87cZvPoQAge/pigdog+journal// Statements like this give the impression that this article was written by a madman in a drug induced rage -- Ben Franklin ~ ___ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
