Re: [freenet-chat] Freenet news in the web interface

2010-01-11 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 12 December 2009 15:19:23 alex wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> for some time I've been thinking about points that make me disconnect from 
> freenet from time to time. One of them, I think, is that once you manage to 
> connect, you feel quite alone in there.
> 
> Freesites are static in nature, there's a feeling that you're in the middle 
> of the night and here and there you stump into unrelated freesites. Index 
> sites mitigate somewhat this feeling, but not much. Frost and FMS, they're 
> not trivial to setup nor in the web interface.
> 
> Sure, I lurk in the dev mailing lists. That's great since I see activity 
> and community there. But, putting myself in the shoes of an average user (in 
> the end, I'm a techie), that's only trying freenet via the web interface, I 
> think there's something (that many other projects do) that could do, with 
> little effort, much to diminish the feeling that freenet is a bunch of 
> freesites.
> 
> I'm namely proposing to add to the freenet interface (in the welcome page 
> or a dedicated page) an official announcement section, where the freenet 
> team publish news related to the project. Basically, the same updates that 
> go thru dev, could be distilled in a (weekly?) post that the node would 
> present to the user.
> 
> This way one feels that things are moving even without having chat yet, nor 
> subscribing to mailing lists. Plain users would have quick access to a 
> minimal but regularly updated "what's happening with freenet" page, 
> sanctioned by the devs. I'm not talking about entering into conflicting 
> debate or technical detail, just plain understandable updates that show 
> that the project is well alive and moving along.
> 
> What do you think? I know that some freesites are sanctioned and linked in 
> the "browse freenet" page, but I'm aiming at something even more basic: 
> "the" freenet team news. A "latest news" section.

Ways to implement this sort of thing (which is probably a good idea):
1. Official Freesite. The problem is people will trust it, so if the private 
key were ever leaked we'd be in deep trouble. The fix for this is Revocable 
SSKs. This will happen eventually. There are easy ways to do RSKs and hard 
ways, but we can do a reasonably easy way which is forward compatible.
2. Per-build update notes. We could either include a file with the build, or 
insert it as a CHK and have the node fetch it. We could display it as a 
dismissable alert or something, and have it come back when the next build comes 
out, unless the user tells it to go away forever.
3. Something in between. An official SSK containing regular updates, for 
example. This has the same revocation problems as an official freesite, 
although there are easier solutions than RSKs, such as just tying it to the 
auto-updater (which has its own revocation mechanism).


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[freenet-chat] Freenet news in the web interface

2010-01-08 Thread alex
Hello,

for some time I've been thinking about points that make me disconnect from 
freenet from time to time. One of them, I think, is that once you manage to 
connect, you feel quite alone in there.

Freesites are static in nature, there's a feeling that you're in the middle 
of the night and here and there you stump into unrelated freesites. Index 
sites mitigate somewhat this feeling, but not much. Frost and FMS, they're 
not trivial to setup nor in the web interface.

Sure, I lurk in the dev mailing lists. That's great since I see activity 
and community there. But, putting myself in the shoes of an average user (in 
the end, I'm a techie), that's only trying freenet via the web interface, I 
think there's something (that many other projects do) that could do, with 
little effort, much to diminish the feeling that freenet is a bunch of 
freesites.

I'm namely proposing to add to the freenet interface (in the welcome page 
or a dedicated page) an official announcement section, where the freenet 
team publish news related to the project. Basically, the same updates that 
go thru dev, could be distilled in a (weekly?) post that the node would 
present to the user.

This way one feels that things are moving even without having chat yet, nor 
subscribing to mailing lists. Plain users would have quick access to a 
minimal but regularly updated "what's happening with freenet" page, 
sanctioned by the devs. I'm not talking about entering into conflicting 
debate or technical detail, just plain understandable updates that show 
that the project is well alive and moving along.

What do you think? I know that some freesites are sanctioned and linked in 
the "browse freenet" page, but I'm aiming at something even more basic: 
"the" freenet team news. A "latest news" section.


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