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[Josh]

Consider Microsoft MCSE certification. You can download windows from
gnutella, and half the books too. The rest of the books you can get at the
local book store. If you practice enough, you can pass the tests without any
classes. I got a CNE and MCSE this way, plus I had been working with the
products long before I went for the certification. Whatever you do don't
spend any money on the classes - just retake the tests. But if your going to
aim for programming, these certifications are worthless. MCSE certification
is the most popular. If you're a linux only guy, I'm not sure there are any
certifications that have any value.

Being Linux only doesn't help much for companies, only ISP's, and believe it
or not most of them are BSD (close enough though). You will have the best
chance if you know BOTH windows and linux/BSD. You can use Vmware to run
both on the same PC.

Programmers usually are able to work from home more often than admin's (MCSE
/ CNEs). Admins are expected to physically go to the computers that need
work, this could pose a challenge.

Another idea is the say "I'm healing from a bad car accident", which will
get you in the door.

The business world is a jungle, and so long as you can get the job done, do
not hesitate to lie (about your physical condition), otherwise some other
liar will take your job opportunity from you.

Good luck.

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On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:01:47 -0800 Don Marti  writes:
> begin Josh quotation of Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:19:05AM -0800:
>
> > You should apply for a job at a government IS department. They
> have quotas
> > to fill, and by hiring a "handicap" person they will do so, even
> if they are
> > less qualified.
>
> Large companies often have such policies too.  (You can do a search
> for companies that have been sued by previous employees.)
>
> The private sector is also more likely to have a flexible "work at
> home" policy so you can work in bed or reclining.

How would I find companies willing to make these accomodations for me?
I've been searching for this telecommuting stuff for YEARS.  Every single
job search I do turns up companies who require knowledge or credentials I
don't have.  Or, they require that I do physical things that I can't do.
I would LOVE to have a job working from home, with a computer.  Even if I
have to work 12 hours straight some times on computer code, it's a heck
of a lot better than my current situation!

>
> Walk in with some kind of certification you can get from Web-based
> training, and you've probably got a pretty good chance.
>
> I know people who do corporate jobs and only go in to work every
> week or two.

Well, I am getting education at High Tech Institute.  I am hopeing that
opens some doors. :)  I start school soon. :)

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[kre...@juno.com]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:01:47 -0800 Don Marti  writes:
> begin Josh quotation of Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:19:05AM -0800:
> 
> > You should apply for a job at a government IS department. They 
> have quotas
> > to fill, and by hiring a "handicap" person they will do so, even 
> if they are
> > less qualified. 
> 
> Large companies often have such policies too.  (You can do a search
> for companies that have been sued by previous employees.)
> 
> The private sector is also more likely to have a flexible "work at
> home" policy so you can work in bed or reclining.

How would I find companies willing to make these accomodations for me? 
I've been searching for this telecommuting stuff for YEARS.  Every single
job search I do turns up companies who require knowledge or credentials I
don't have.  Or, they require that I do physical things that I can't do. 
I would LOVE to have a job working from home, with a computer.  Even if I
have to work 12 hours straight some times on computer code, it's a heck
of a lot better than my current situation!

> 
> Walk in with some kind of certification you can get from Web-based
> training, and you've probably got a pretty good chance.
> 
> I know people who do corporate jobs and only go in to work every
> week or two.

Well, I am getting education at High Tech Institute.  I am hopeing that
opens some doors. :)  I start school soon. :)

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[kre...@juno.com]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:51:03 -0800 (PST) "Mr. Smith"
 writes:
> --- krepta at juno.com wrote:
> > Tell me, guys, be honest.  Knowing all that you know
> > about me, if you
> > were employers, would you hire me?  Say the job is
> > an office or
> > secretarial job.  Forget the heavy lifting stuff,
> > that isn't even in the
> > picture.  Concentrate now.  Would you hire me?
> 
> Get a job that you can do from home/hospital by
> telecommuting.  Learn programming and you're halfway
> there.  Alternatively, write fiction for a living,
> become the next Stephen King (not that we need another
> one).

That is a great idea. :)

> 
> The alternative, of course, is to sit around feeling
> sorry for yourself and doing nothing...

That isn't.

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[Don Marti]

begin Josh quotation of Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 02:19:05AM -0800:

> You should apply for a job at a government IS department. They have quotas
> to fill, and by hiring a "handicap" person they will do so, even if they are
> less qualified. 

Large companies often have such policies too.  (You can do a search
for companies that have been sued by previous employees.)

The private sector is also more likely to have a flexible "work at
home" policy so you can work in bed or reclining.

Walk in with some kind of certification you can get from Web-based
training, and you've probably got a pretty good chance.

I know people who do corporate jobs and only go in to work every
week or two.

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[Mr. Smith]

--- krepta at juno.com wrote:
> Tell me, guys, be honest.  Knowing all that you know
> about me, if you
> were employers, would you hire me?  Say the job is
> an office or
> secretarial job.  Forget the heavy lifting stuff,
> that isn't even in the
> picture.  Concentrate now.  Would you hire me?

Get a job that you can do from home/hospital by
telecommuting.  Learn programming and you're halfway
there.  Alternatively, write fiction for a living,
become the next Stephen King (not that we need another
one).

The alternative, of course, is to sit around feeling
sorry for yourself and doing nothing...

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On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) "Mr. Smith"
 writes:
> --- krepta at juno.com wrote:
> > I can't do that, that would be dishonest.  Even if I
> > didn't tell them, my
> > work would be affected very badly by my condition
> > and they would
> > eventualy find out and fire me.  I don't want to be
> > a dishonest person,
> > at least not when it affects other people.
> 
> Employers are not (legally) allowed to discriminate
> based on disability, provided that disability does not
> preclude doing a job in the first place.  If you were
> applying for a job doing heavy lifting construction,
> then the fact that you have bad knees would be a valid
> reason for not hiring you, or firing you.

Ah, but my bad knees make my vulnerable, basicaly all the time, to knee
cap dislocations that take me out of commision completely for at least 3
weeks.  During which time I must stay in bed as much as possible for my
knee to heal.  I would say that is reason enough to not hire me, and more
than enough reason to fire me if I am dishonest about my condition when
applying or being interviewed. :)

> 
> Assuming that you are applying for jobs you actually
> feel you are capable of performing, there is no
> logical reason to include that information in an
> interview.  Even if it does affect your job
> performance, provided you are still able to perform
> within acceptable parameters it is really none of
> their business.  If you feel compelled to honesty,
> don't lie, but there is nothing in a job interview
> that requires you to paint a negative picture of
> yourself by disclosing your every shortcoming.

I have applied to jobs that I didn't think I could do.  I applied at
Whataburger.  They asked me what I could do there.  I told them I don't
know.  They asked me if I have any physical or mental handicaps that
would effect my work, I told them I did, and explained what they were. 
They, and I, wondered what the heck I was doing trying to get a job
there.  They didn't want me.  I left.  I cannot function within
acceptable parameters when I must be at a job site on time, every day,
for the majority of the time I work there.  I can function if my schedule
is flexible enough to accomidate periodic knee cap dislocations, but,
most businesses do not accomodate those kinds of things.

Most people think that my knee problems are just minor irritations for
me.  They compare it to a stubbed toe, or an itch, or a pimple or
something.  Thats like compareing an LED bulb to a bon-fire.  My knees,
when they go out, cause so much pain that I actualy experience trauma, as
in I go into shock.  I have nightmares about dislocations.  Most of my
nights are filled with nightmares about various things, and some of them
involve me haveing a knee cap dislocation.  I could just be walking on a
sidewalk, getting the mail from my mailbox, and anything, like a car
splashing water on me real hard, or a dog running past and bumping into
me or something, could cause a dislocation.  I could dislocate my knee
and fall into the street and get run over by a car.  I could dislocate
while walking across the street fast enough to get to the other side
before the lights change.  And sooner or later my knee braces will stop
being usefull.  They wear out, and they are expensive to replace.

The point is, I could be an invalid, and even be killed, any time because
of my knees.  And that is a very good reason not to want me working for
you.

Tell me, guys, be honest.  Knowing all that you know about me, if you
were employers, would you hire me?  Say the job is an office or
secretarial job.  Forget the heavy lifting stuff, that isn't even in the
picture.  Concentrate now.  Would you hire me?

I can not blame anyone for not hireing me.  I wouldn't hire me.

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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, I also have asthma. :)  That means that one
of these days I'm gonna either die from an asthma attack caused by some
SOB smoker who won't leave me alone, or, I'm gonna kill the SOB smoker or
neither, whatever.  Anyway, I think it's about time people with Asthma
stand up to smokers and MAKE them give us back our freedom to go where we
want to go, when we want to go there.

I'm not against people smokeing, you can smoke all you like, just don't
force ME or any other non-smoker to breath your crap!  Thats all. 

And, I have some really strong opinions about things like infint
circumcision and stuff.  But a lot of my opinions can be swayed, with the
right arguments and evidence of course. :)
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[Mr. Smith]

--- krepta at juno.com wrote:
> I can't do that, that would be dishonest.  Even if I
> didn't tell them, my
> work would be affected very badly by my condition
> and they would
> eventualy find out and fire me.  I don't want to be
> a dishonest person,
> at least not when it affects other people.

Employers are not (legally) allowed to discriminate
based on disability, provided that disability does not
preclude doing a job in the first place.  If you were
applying for a job doing heavy lifting construction,
then the fact that you have bad knees would be a valid
reason for not hiring you, or firing you.

Assuming that you are applying for jobs you actually
feel you are capable of performing, there is no
logical reason to include that information in an
interview.  Even if it does affect your job
performance, provided you are still able to perform
within acceptable parameters it is really none of
their business.  If you feel compelled to honesty,
don't lie, but there is nothing in a job interview
that requires you to paint a negative picture of
yourself by disclosing your every shortcoming.

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On Fri, 11 Jan 2002 02:49:18 -0800 coderman 
writes:
> krepta at juno.com wrote:

> do NOT mention ADD, your knees, your faith, or any other non 
> technical
> related aspect of your life in a job interview.  Just a tip for 
> future
> reference.  They can't legally ask you about those kinds of things,
> and it is a very, very good idea to keep them to yourself.

I can't do that, that would be dishonest.  Even if I didn't tell them, my
work would be affected very badly by my condition and they would
eventualy find out and fire me.  I don't want to be a dishonest person,
at least not when it affects other people.

> My only comment is that the LDS environment and teachings make it 
> very
> hard to separate the good done in a community environment with the 
> skewed
> one sided representation of the church history and doctrine.

Yeah, I know.  I've read up on some of that stuff, it is hard not to
wonder what the heck has been going on.

> If you really want to tweak your parents and satisfy your curiosity, 
> read
> about Dr. Michael Quinn, who was a history professor at BYU.  He was 
> one
> of the few who had access to the LDS archives, and was a leading 
> researcher
> on LDS history.
> 
> http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/mormhist.htm

Sure, sounds like a good idea. :)

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[coderman]

krepta at juno.com wrote:
> 
> ...
>
> I haven't had a job in over 5 years, and every interview I've had went
> down the drain the moment I mentioned either my knees, ADD, or both.


do NOT mention ADD, your knees, your faith, or any other non technical
related aspect of your life in a job interview.  Just a tip for future
reference.  They can't legally ask you about those kinds of things,
and it is a very, very good idea to keep them to yourself.



> ...  I believe in GOD and Jesus Christ and the Holy
> Ghost, and ghosts in general, and angels and stuff.  But I also believe
> in the Big Bang and Evolution theories.  My parents don't like this, they
> swear completely by the Bible and think I'm nuts for believing the BB and
> E.  So, I guess I'm a very strange, very intelligent person who also
> happens to be disabled.


My only comment is that the LDS environment and teachings make it very
hard to separate the good done in a community environment with the skewed
one sided representation of the church history and doctrine.

If you really want to tweak your parents and satisfy your curiosity, read
about Dr. Michael Quinn, who was a history professor at BYU.  He was one
of the few who had access to the LDS archives, and was a leading researcher
on LDS history.

http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/mormhist.htm

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[W. Eric C. Ferguson]

> I thought I would use this message to describe myself to those who
don't
> know me, and for those who do, just use it as a reminder. :)

Damn. How in the hell does someone turn out this bad? I mean,
doesn't anyone else wonder what had to go wrong for this probably fine
fellow to get more fucked up than a football bat?

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[kre...@juno.com]

I thought I would use this message to describe myself to those who don't
know me, and for those who do, just use it as a reminder. :)

I would like it if you guys would describe yourselves too. :)

I was born with A.D.D. (Attention Deficite Disorder) and ears that didn't
develop properly, which is why I have suffered all my life from chronic
severe ear infections, both inner and outer.  I was baptised into the
Church of Jesus Christ of Later-Day Saints, a.k.a. the mormon church, at
the age of accountability, 8 years old.  I have always been and will
always be an extremely analytical person.

When I was about 10 or so I was diagnosed with ADD, a condition that I
had since I was born but had not been diagnosed till that time.  I was
tested extensively for a peroid of months.  They told me that my IQ was
above average, and that I was not deaf, nor was I becoming deaf.  Which
was a relief for my parents, because up until then I had apparently been
acting as if I were deaf in order to cause mischief and just generaly bug
my parents.

I went from crawling to walking much too early, before my hand/leg/eye
coordination had developed, and as a result I had to learn how to crawl
when I was about 10 or so.  I have always been fat, and my wieght has
fluctuated from time to time, but mostly it just keeps going up and up. 
When I was about 11 or 12 or so I fell off of my bunk bed some time in
the early morning, just after the sun had risen, and almost but not quite
broke both of my legs.  The doctor told me that the bones had been
bruised and that they would never heal completely and that I should not
run, jump, or jog any more.  They still haven't healed, and they still
hurt from time to time, especialy if I push on the dents that are still
there.

At about the age of 12 or 13 I dislocated my left kneecap for the first
time.  Since then I have dislocated each of my kneecaps more than 15
times.  The doctor said that excercise would help the muscles to repair
themselves but none of the doctors said that exercise would keep my knees
from dislocating.  And in fact one of them told me that the only way to
keep it from happening was to have knee operations.  I have not yet had
that done because I haven't had the money for it, and because I really
don't like the idea of someone cutting into me and removeing or
replaceing stuff.I wear knee braces that basicaly act like
artificial knee joints.  But they cause a lot of pain, in the form of
increased and trapped heat, infected sores from ingrown hairs, and
bruises.  So, you can understand when I decide not to wear them 24/7. 
Those braces are made of the same material as wet suites used by scuba
divers and surfers and stuff.  In the summer heat of the Valey of the
Sun, it really gets hot inside those darn things.  Also, I've already
totaly warn out one of them.  When they wear out they become absolutely
useless.  And, they seem to wear out faster when I wash them.  Either by
hand with hand soap and warm water, or in a washing machine on Delicate
settings.  So, they get real stinky.  Also, the darn things are expensive
even with medical coverage.

My eye sight is so bad that if I do not wear my glasses I can't see more
than 2 inches in front of my face.  I therefore would not be allowed to
drive without glasses.  I think my eyes are affected by the computer
monitors I am always sitting at all the time. :)  I don't like driveing,
I have an extreme fear of hurting someone with the vehicle, the bigger
the vehicle, the worse the fear.  So I have never gotten a drivers
license, only a learner's permit.

I haven't had a job in over 5 years, and every interview I've had went
down the drain the moment I mentioned either my knees, ADD, or both.  No
one wants to hire what they concider to be a cripled retard.  I don't
think I will be able to get any kind of job until after I get education
in the computer field.  So, I have started the registration process to
begin schooling at High Tech Institute.  And, I have begun the process of
getting Medical Coverage, Food Assistance, and Cash Assistance from the
Department of Economic Security, and I have begun the process of getting
SSI and SSD from the Social Security Agency, or whatever that "A" at the
end stands for.

I love Sci-Fi, I love Science, and I love Logic.  Even though my emotions
are extremely volitile.  I believe in GOD and Jesus Christ and the Holy
Ghost, and ghosts in general, and angels and stuff.  But I also believe
in the Big Bang and Evolution theories.  My parents don't like this, they
swear completely by the Bible and think I'm nuts for believing the BB and
E.  So, I guess I'm a very strange, very intelligent person who also
happens to be disabled.

Hi! :)

How are ya?! ;-)

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