[Chevelle-list] front valance
Does anyone have a line on a front valance panel for a '65? No catalog that I've looked at lists them. '66 and later...yes. '64 and '65...no. This may require a junkyard search (good luck!). If anyone knows of one I would appreciate hearing about it, Thanks. -- Bob Holtzman "If you think you're getting free lunch, ..check the price of the beer!"
[Chevelle-list] 68 Chevelle RACE/SHOW/STREET w/ trailer
68 Chevelle RACE/SHOW/STREET w/ trailer - Free Racing Classifieds Powered By RacingJunk.com I will send the GOOD pics to anyone off list if you like..Just reply with your email address. Mike
RE: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating
The main thing about coating the block or heads is to coat before honing, boring, line boring, etc. as the 400 degree temps. can affect the machined surfaces accuracy. If GM did it, I would think most shops could as well. Brian From: "Dan Mascheck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:53:05 -0600 I'm surprised, because the guy at Allied wasn't crazy about heat type applications like BBQ pits and such..Of course a BBQ pit would get hotter than an engine block. I need to ask. I eventually want to put a 502 in my carI need to ask him specifically about a car block! They did a wonderful job on my 12 bolt!! Dan -Original Message- From: Brian Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:53 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating In 1991 when the Gen V bigblocks were introduced, Chevy powder coated the blocks and heads black from the factory. The coating was done before any machining was done. The ones I have seen have held up very well. Brian >From: "Dan Mascheck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List >To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" >Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:23:07 -0600 > >I have a large parrot.his cage is powder coated.He can crush a walnut >easily, yet his cage looks as new as the day it was bought.I know this is >not about Chevelles, but it serves a point on how durable Powder Coating >is. >Allied Powder Coating in Houston, does more pool side patio furniture for >all the big hotels. I had a 12 bolt rear end done in black and so far so >good. I wondered about an engine, but the owner was not pleased with high >temp applications with powder coating. > > > >Dan > > > > _ > >From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:52 AM >To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' >Subject: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating > > > >I've heard a lot of good things about powder coating but a couple of >negatives but maybe it was just a bad experience of an engine builder. I >was going to have some parts done and one engine builder advised against it >saying the process built up a layer on the parts and was easily cracked >and/or chipped (as opposed to simply being marred like paint) making it >almost impossible to touch up. > > > >Is powder coating that susceptible to damage? With everything from frames >to suspension pieces being done, it doesn't appear so. Like I said, maybe >he just had a bad experience with it or maybe he didn't like the local >power >coating establishment. :*) > > > >Dale McIntosh > >67 El Camino > >1967 Chevelle Facts CD in progress > >ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 > > > _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
RE: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating
I'm surprised, because the guy at Allied wasn't crazy about heat type applications like BBQ pits and such..Of course a BBQ pit would get hotter than an engine block. I need to ask. I eventually want to put a 502 in my carI need to ask him specifically about a car block! They did a wonderful job on my 12 bolt!! Dan -Original Message- From: Brian Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 8:53 PM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating In 1991 when the Gen V bigblocks were introduced, Chevy powder coated the blocks and heads black from the factory. The coating was done before any machining was done. The ones I have seen have held up very well. Brian >From: "Dan Mascheck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List >To: "'The Chevelle Mailing List'" >Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating >Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 12:23:07 -0600 > >I have a large parrot.his cage is powder coated.He can crush a walnut >easily, yet his cage looks as new as the day it was bought.I know this is >not about Chevelles, but it serves a point on how durable Powder Coating >is. >Allied Powder Coating in Houston, does more pool side patio furniture for >all the big hotels. I had a 12 bolt rear end done in black and so far so >good. I wondered about an engine, but the owner was not pleased with high >temp applications with powder coating. > > > >Dan > > > > _ > >From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:52 AM >To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' >Subject: [Chevelle-list] RE: POR-15 vs powdercoating > > > >I've heard a lot of good things about powder coating but a couple of >negatives but maybe it was just a bad experience of an engine builder. I >was going to have some parts done and one engine builder advised against it >saying the process built up a layer on the parts and was easily cracked >and/or chipped (as opposed to simply being marred like paint) making it >almost impossible to touch up. > > > >Is powder coating that susceptible to damage? With everything from frames >to suspension pieces being done, it doesn't appear so. Like I said, maybe >he just had a bad experience with it or maybe he didn't like the local >power >coating establishment. :*) > > > >Dale McIntosh > >67 El Camino > >1967 Chevelle Facts CD in progress > >ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 > > > _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Re: [Chevelle-list] Hood Hinge & Spring Colors
Just a quick note on hood springs: Make sure the Malibu springs will hold open the SS hood before you do anything. I had my Malibu hood springs and hinges powder coated black (not the correct color) But look good. Then bolted them up to my new Cowl Induction hood I put on. The Malibu springs did not hold open the hood! I had to by heavy duty springs from GM to hold the hood up. That was a pisser after I just paid to have the springs powder coated. Now I have none painted springs and black powder coated hinges. It looks good but Just make sure your Malibu springs will hold your SS hood up. Brent Hardin Wichita Area Chevelle Owners - Original Message - From: "Chuck Speake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Hood Hinge & Spring Colors I hope someone can help me. I have a 1970 Chevelle Malibu that is in the shop being painted. I am installing a SS hood and replacing the hinges and springs at the same time. My problem is I have been told so many different color combinations for the hinge and spring I do not know what they should be. Does anyone out there know the correct color combination? Even though this will not be the original hood I still would like to have everything painted correctly. This question I think I already know the answer, but will ask. On the 1970 Chevelle Malibu there is chrome or stainless steel moldings that run from the front of the fender along the edge to the drip rail of the rear window. Are these available either original equipment or reproduction new? The ones on the car are not in too bad of condition, but do have a couple of small dents and quite a bit of scratching so I would like to replace them. I am trying to eliminate deducted points in judging as well as appearance with a new paint job. Sorry for the book I just wrote. Thanks Chuck 1970 Chevelle Malibu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Chevelle-list]shocks, was Bilsteins
Penske got back to me and quoted me too much for my wallet. Thanks for the link anyway Have Fun! André - Tigergutt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of André-Tigergutt Sent: 2. mars 2005 18:51 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Bilsteins Thanks Dan, I'll drop them a line. Have Fun! André - Tigergutt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Mascheck Sent: 2. mars 2005 01:01 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Bilsteins You might want to check Penske Shocks...They are impressive, but I'm afraid they are more toward racing then cruising...I could be wrong! Their sight is: http://www.penskeshocks.com/home.htm Dan -Original Message- From: André-Tigergutt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 1:01 PM To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Bilsteins Hey Guys, The Koni factory got back to me and they told me. Guess what??? To contact the italian agent :o( that normally means no answer or an answer after a lng time with some stupid prices. I guess I'll go for bilstein or koni nort america, as you are much better on customer service "over there" than here in spaghettiland. Have Fun! André - Tigergutt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Mascheck Sent: 28. februar 2005 13:16 To: 'The Chevelle Mailing List' Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Bilsteins Sorry Clint..I must have read someone else's post besides yours!! Dan -Original Message- From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 4:00 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Bilsteins I don't know where you inferred in any of my posts that implied QA1's were better or even equal to Konis or Bilsteins. If all you're interested in is a better ride,I would stay with the present coil springs. If you have the funds and want the best ride,install an air ride system. I've used some of Coil Spring Specialties custom coil springs on other cars and like them. Sounds like you didn't read much of my previous post,Dan. True coilovers are much more than just saving space. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "Dan Mascheck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Clint, You talk about the Bilsteins, but then give the impression Konis and QA1's are slightly better. If I was you...and I wanted a better ride for my 72 Chevelle...Which would you choose? Second what do you gain with Coil overs, other than space? Do you have any brand of spring you prefer? Dan -Original Message- From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 3:56 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Bilsteins The average damper is shot after about 15K miles,if that. The high-end stuff will last over 100K before needing rebuilding. The cheaper stuff is non-rebuildable. The high-end stuff can be taken apart and revalved for different compression & rebound dampening rates or have external adjustment such as knobs,etc. With the cheaper stuff,what you get,,,is what you get. Would Bilsteins or Konis make your car ride stiffer? Yes or they can make it ride a lot better,depending on the dampening rates. The coilovers on my El Camino are what's known as single-adjustable. What that means is that when you turn one of the knobs to adjust the compression dampening,you're also adjusting the rebound dampening also. Better than a fixed rate but still not as good as a double adjustable shock which allows you to adjust rebound & compression rates,separately. Starting to sound like this stuff could get pretty complicated and expensive? Yes,it can. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "Dave Studly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ok, I'll bite here -- what makes a shock good or bad? It's one area I feel very uninformed about. I guess more directly, what would I feel differently from the driver's seat if I swap out my cheapy parts store shocks for Koni or Bilsteins? I have Hotchkis springs all the way. While I love the performance, the ride is a little on the stiff side. Would Bilstein/Koni's make the ride even stiffer? -Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clint Hooper Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 7:19 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Bilsteins I don't know anyone running them on an A-Body. Bilstein and Koni are comparable with QA1's being maybe a notch below. Penske's are probably better than any of the above. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer
Re: [Chevelle-list] Hood Hinge & Spring Colors*
> From: rocky hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> : [Chevelle-list] Hood Hinge & Spring Colors* > > They would have been Gray phosphate coated, not > painted, not bare metal. Cast iron paint makes a pretty good approximation for gray phosphate. I think I used Plasticote, not high temp paint. Pete Geurds Douglassville, PA
[Chevelle-list] Hood Hinge & Spring Colors*
They would have been Gray phosphate coated, not painted, not bare metal. Rocky __ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/
Re: Re: POR-15 vs powdercoating was Re: [Chevelle-list] Motor Mounts
The company I use for powder coating insists that they sand blast the metal before coating it for the same reason, adhesion. I hope they coated it promptly to prevent rust as you stated. Bob Haggard > > From: Trooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Also, even though POR-15 stands for "paint over rust" it has excellent > adhesion to freshly sandblasted metal. The blasting gives the metal a micro > rough finish that produces great "tooth" for adhesion. POR-15 also has the > rust inhibitors not found in powdercoat if unseen rust is incidentally > painted over. > > Now with all this said, my last comment is: These frames have endured 30 > plus years unpainted. During this time a large number of these years were > spent on harsh road conditions. They were rarely pampered the way we pamper > them today. So my guess would be that any good prep (and I stress good prep) > and overcoat, be it paint or POR or powder, should last a long long time. > > Good luck, > Trooper > > - Original Message - > From: "Ryan Langstraat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: POR-15 vs powdercoating was Re: [Chevelle-list] Motor Mounts > > > I have to be honest, I dont know if they can get the inside of the frame or > not. I know when I was looking into getting it painted that they said they > would "dip" the frame in chemicals and then use a spray gun on a hose that > sprayed at 90 degrees from itself. As far as powder coating the inside, I > honestly don't know. > > Ryan > > >
Re: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hood Hinge & Spring Colors
Were they just bare metal or coated with zinc or brass colored. My 70 Skylark has the origional paint in the jambs and the springs are painted. My 70 Nova was repainted so I can't be sure when they were painted but there did not appear to be any paint under the hinge on the door or body sides, so how was the car painted at he factory. Odd that they would install the hinge springs after installation and paint. Anyone know how and when the paint and assembly took place? Bob Haggard Eatonton, Ga. > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2005/03/03 Thu AM 10:58:19 EST > To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Hood Hinge & Spring Colors > > hey chuck to be correct strip the paint on the hinges, and don't paint the > springs, these parts where never painted when your chevelle rolled off the > line, I would spray a light coat of clear just to prevent the rust, keep it > real, it worth more in the long run, and cheaper to restore. gl rick > >
Re: [Chevelle-list] Hood Hinge & Spring Colors
hey chuck to be correct strip the paint on the hinges, and don't paint the springs, these parts where never painted when your chevelle rolled off the line, I would spray a light coat of clear just to prevent the rust, keep it real, it worth more in the long run, and cheaper to restore. gl rick
Re: POR-15 vs powdercoating was Re: [Chevelle-list] Motor Mounts
This topic has been discussed pretty extensively so if I'm repeating what someone else has already said I apologize. I'm going to be the devils advocate here. Powder coating is a great durable finish but it does have it drawbacks. 1) The most important one is that there is no rust protection under the coating. If absolutely all the rust isn't removed and the metal coated within hours (to prevent flash rust) the rust will continue under the coating and ruin the finish. With painting you can first apply a sacrificial undercoat w/ zinc in it that will retard any hidden rust. 2) Powdercoat is thicker than paint and covers the small details of a frame like stamp marks (i.e. the VIN number on the frame rail) This may not be a problem with most but to the "back to original" restorer it is important. Also due to this fact it is more difficult to repair when it chips or cracks and if it chips and there is rust under it your in big trouble. I have chipped powder coat off of items in the past and found rust under it, so it does happen. 3) Powdercoat is direct to the metal so if you have any imperfections or pitting from previous rust it will show. Many cars have pitting rust on the frame rail under the battery that will be quite obvious when coated. If you're painting you can fill these areas with body filled prior to painting. Again this may not be an issue to the guys who just want to protect the frame from future demise, but it's important to the show car guys. 4) POR-15 is not a cure all for poor prep work. Regardless or what you finish the frame with, the ideal, and longest lasting, finish is the one placed on rust free metal. POR-15 does not stop rust it simply retards it. Also, even though POR-15 stands for "paint over rust" it has excellent adhesion to freshly sandblasted metal. The blasting gives the metal a micro rough finish that produces great "tooth" for adhesion. POR-15 also has the rust inhibitors not found in powdercoat if unseen rust is incidentally painted over. Now with all this said, my last comment is: These frames have endured 30 plus years unpainted. During this time a large number of these years were spent on harsh road conditions. They were rarely pampered the way we pamper them today. So my guess would be that any good prep (and I stress good prep) and overcoat, be it paint or POR or powder, should last a long long time. Good luck, Trooper - Original Message - From: "Ryan Langstraat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: POR-15 vs powdercoating was Re: [Chevelle-list] Motor Mounts I have to be honest, I dont know if they can get the inside of the frame or not. I know when I was looking into getting it painted that they said they would "dip" the frame in chemicals and then use a spray gun on a hose that sprayed at 90 degrees from itself. As far as powder coating the inside, I honestly don't know. Ryan
