Re: [Chevelle-list] Please help! Sway bar information
I'm sure you have a front bar already. Most Chevelles did not come with a rear bar. Since you already have some Hotchkis parts, you might want to call their tech line and talk through your issues and get advice. There are two philosophies when it comes to sway bars. One camp likes big bars and softer springs. The other likes small (and/or no rear) bar and stiffer springs. Each has it's own plus and minus. Do you want a softer ride, but lots of side to side when you go over driveways and bumps at an angle? Do you want a stiffer ride, but have more of an even feel over bumps and less connection between the left and right suspension? I've simplified it a bit, but you get the idea. Your car is balanced now. You do not want to increase the front bar and leave the rear alone unless you want to risk messing up the handling. You should not have major over or uindersteer as it is now, but if you add a large front bar and leave the rear alone, or add the rear bar and leave the front alone you risk dangerous and unpredictable handling. This is where Hotchkis comes in. They can tell you what you can use and what will work with your exact setup. I'm using Global West gear, so I used them for advice. I have stiffer springs, a slightly larger front bar, and no rear bar. All chosen in consultation with them. BTW, my poly bushings just started to squeak this year - maybe ten years after I installed them. Brad Waller '67 Chevelle '66 Corvette Eduardo (Eddie) Gamino wrote: To anyone who can help me out: I tried to find the answer in other forums, but had no luck. I'm having difficulties about finding the right appropriate size and brand of sway bar to choose from that will fit my application and that will not do me vehicle more harm than good. I was looking at the hotchkis bars, but they use polyurethane bushings and I don't really want to deal with the squeaking. I'm thinking about getting the 1 1/4 or the 1 3/8 front bar. Then later on get the rear 1 sway bar. Would this be a good set up or is it too much? For the Hotchkis bars, I heard that some have had their sway bars break since they are made as hollow. Is this correct? I believe GP superstore is giving a 20% discount on Hotchkis parts. Also, some car owners have suggested that OPGI has good heat treated sway bars. Does any one know of these bars being worth the buy? I use my 1970 chevelle as a street driver car, which has a 350 engine, 350 tranny, rebuilt 12 bolt 3.47 non-posi rear end, with some high performance parts here and there. I bought the lower box rear control arms from Ground Up. Most of the front suspension is of Moog parts and have front and rear Hotchkis springs with KYB shocks up front and Monroe shocks at rear. My car never sees the track, since it's not built as a racing car. However, if it helps, later on I will beef up the engine to a 383 in the future. I have never had that experience driving with any sway bar, front or rear, that I don't know how it feels. Some people say it's better and you can really feel the difference than without one. Some also say to never drive on the streets without one. I don't have one and I drive on the streets all the time. I mean, I do feel that lean feel on the car that people talk about. So, should I invest in a pair of sway bars after all? I'm all for any improvments in my driving handling. Bottom line, can anyone please point me in the right direction with specific choices in helping me choose the right combination of size for the front and rear sway bars and what brand out of many is the best for me? It will be highly appreciated. thanks -Eddie --
Re: [Chevelle-list] Carburetor
I didn't try the site out when I sent the link. I remembered I had it in my bookmarks and went to the site to see if it was still there and it was . I assumed it still worked. This morning I downloaded the program to try it out after reading it didn't work. It seems this is an old program that was written for win95/98. I tried to run it and it says I'm missing VB40016dll. So try this program. It's the same program but newer. http://www.buicks.net/shop/reference/carb_cfm.htm - Original Message - From: Daniel Solomon To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Carburetor This link doesn't seem to work. Looks like a handy utility though. Godspeed, Dan Solomon It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object to realize you are in a hurry. http://www.freewebs.com/chevelles1970/ -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: chevelle-list@chevelles.net Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 09:28:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Carburetor Go here John, and scroll down to size.exe. http://www.chevelles.com/shop/programs.shtml - Original Message - From: Johnny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:29 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] Carburetor I found a deal on an new carb for my small block..Its a Edelbrock #1407 750cfmThe engine is a 327 bored .030 over with 2.02 camel heads...a 230 duration .480 lift cam..headers...Is a 750 cfm too big of a carb???It won't be such a good deal if I can't use it.. John 66 Malibu 327 4 speed.
Re: [Chevelle-list] ReChevelle-list] last year for non-concealed wipers
Nope, I'll show you a 68 in my back yard that has non concealed wipers. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:11 AM Subject: [Chevelle-list] ReChevelle-list] last year for non-concealed wipers Yep. Ed Riggins HSP, Inc. On Mon Jan 7 19:06 , John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: I used to know this, but what was the last year for non-concealed wipers on the Chevelle? Was it 1967? Thanks -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM
Re: [Chevelle-list] ReChevelle-list] last year for non-concealed wipers
I'm not sure about the later years, but the 300 series had open wipers in '68 '69. BillL At 12:11 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote: Yep. Ed Riggins HSP, Inc. On Mon Jan 7 19:06 , John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: I used to know this, but what was the last year for non-concealed wipers on the Chevelle? Was it 1967? Thanks
Re: [Chevelle-list] last year for non-concealed wipers
As said earlier, the base model platform/heavy Chevy wipers parked on the windshield and the Malibu and SS had the hideaway up until 1972. I converted mine and got everything from a Malibu on my 72 including the extra wide Stainless piece across the bottom of the windshield that the wipers parked on. - Original Message From: Bill Lessenberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 9:13:07 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] ReChevelle-list] last year for non-concealed wipers I'm not sure about the later years, but the 300 series had open wipers in '68 '69. BillL At 12:11 AM 1/8/2008, you wrote: Yep. Ed Riggins HSP, Inc. On Mon Jan 7 19:06 , John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: I used to know this, but what was the last year for non-concealed wipers on the Chevelle? Was it 1967? Thanks Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [Chevelle-list] Please help! Sway bar information
Don't be too sure. Some of these cars have gone through a lot of changes in their lifetime. My '69 El Camino does not have a front sway bar. Quoting Brad Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm sure you have a front bar already.
[Chevelle-list] clock repair parts
Hi guys hope all had a great holiday season. Now its time to get back to work on the chevelle. I was wondering if anyone knows where I could get a new stem for my dash clock for a 70 SS with the round clock Thanks you all have been a great help in the pastSteve **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489
Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit?
Thanks. That's what I was thinking. Using a sawzall or cutoff wheel to trim the pipes where needed. Once the guys pointed me to Lisle for the expander tool, I found out Summit has one also. Probably not as good as the Lisle, but about half the price. Thanks for all the help. Now I just have to get to work! At 05:30 PM 1/7/2008, John Nasta wrote: One of those air powered cutoff wheels works well too. That's what I used on mine. A friend made the down-pipes for me (b/c I have stock x-mans) and expanded the ends of them to fit into the 2.5 Flowmaster pipes. My brother also gave me some sleeves that you can put between the smaller and the bigger pipe but I didn't need to use them. I still have them (in my kitchen where auto parts belong). Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I used a sawzall and a vice to cut the pipes that needed it. I have an expander that you can use with a 1 1/8th socket and an impact gun. It worked out well. Tom - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net; The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Tom, You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? Thanks, Matt At 08:50 PM 1/6/2008, Tom Rightler wrote: Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino for about 4 years, and it is a driver that I park on the street and drive in all kinds of weather, and everything is fine. No signs of rust or rot anywhere. Maybe just the fact that I
Re: [Chevelle-list] Please help! Sway bar information
If you're not running a sway bar at all even the crappy 15/16 bar will be a world of difference on your ride. I tried taking my endlinks off at the strip one time to gain an extra thousandth of a tenth and then I drove home with it unhooked I noticed a big difference in the handling characteristics!! Josh Campbell 66 SS 396 (Black on the rotisseree, 1st car never part with it) 66 SS 396 (Red got it on a trade I only wanted the steering wheel) 87 Monte Carlo SS (The modern Chevelle especially when you add the right stuff) 71 Malibu (Something new to blow my money on) - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: [Chevelle-list] Please help! Sway bar information
Amen to that! I tried the same, and it was terrible. I thought I'd break my windshield from all the body twist! And I didn't gain a thing in the 60' -- I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, Than live my life as if there isn't, And die to find out there is. -Blaise Pascal Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200.00 and a substantial tax cut saves you $30.00? Check out my webpage at http://www.ProStreetCar.com TREMEC Distributor at http://www.5speedTransmissions.com Team Chevelle member #1778 (Gold), ACES member #1377 Hoosier State Chevelle Assoc (http://www.IndianaChevelles.com) #6 Josh Campbell wrote: If you're not running a sway bar at all even the crappy 15/16 bar will be a world of difference on your ride. I tried taking my endlinks off at the strip one time to gain an extra thousandth of a tenth and then I drove home with it unhooked I noticed a big difference in the handling characteristics!! /Josh Campbell/ 66 SS 396 (Black on the rotisseree, 1st car never part with it) 66 SS 396 (Red got it on a trade I only wanted the steering wheel) 87 Monte Carlo SS (The modern Chevelle especially when you add the right stuff) 71 Malibu (Something new to blow my money on) Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51734/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM
Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit?
When I needed an expander for my exhaust install, I borrowed one from AutoZone. That's one of the tools they will loan out for free. Tom Tomlinson '71 Malibu Matthew Post wrote: Thanks. That's what I was thinking. Using a sawzall or cutoff wheel to trim the pipes where needed. Once the guys pointed me to Lisle for the expander tool, I found out Summit has one also. Probably not as good as the Lisle, but about half the price. Thanks for all the help. Now I just have to get to work! At 05:30 PM 1/7/2008, John Nasta wrote: One of those air powered cutoff wheels works well too. That's what I used on mine. A friend made the down-pipes for me (b/c I have stock x-mans) and expanded the ends of them to fit into the 2.5 Flowmaster pipes. My brother also gave me some sleeves that you can put between the smaller and the bigger pipe but I didn't need to use them. I still have them (in my kitchen where auto parts belong). Quoting Tom Rightler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I used a sawzall and a vice to cut the pipes that needed it. I have an expander that you can use with a 1 1/8th socket and an impact gun. It worked out well. Tom - Original Message - From: Matthew Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net; The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? Tom, You mentioned that you had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs. What type of tool is used to expand the pipes inexpensively at home? Thanks, Matt At 08:50 PM 1/6/2008, Tom Rightler wrote: Jim, The Flowmaster or Pypes systems really aren't all that hard to install in your garage. I've done several exhaust systems in a day taking my time and making sure everything fits as it should. I put a system on a 72 Monte Carlo with stock manifolds that consisted of a set of down pipes (from Pypes) that made up the length difference from the stock manifold to where a typical header would dump out at, then finished it off with one of those cheap Summit Racing systems. It went OK at best, the generic Summit kit was not my choice, but the owner of the car wanting to get it done cheaply. I put the Flowmaster American Thunder system with the 40 series mufflers on my 70 back in 2000. It does fit the car nice, no complaints there, just the mufflers rotted out on the bottom and blew the baffles loose so I need to replace them. That was a system off a set of Dynomax Headers. I put the Pypes 2.5 X Crossover system on the Charger. It was one of the best fitting systems I've ever put on a car...seriously. The only problem I ran into with it are where the Hooker Super Comp headers dumped out under the body. They didn't line up with the humps in the trans crossmember so I had to be a little creative there and use a mandrel bent pipe to complete the system. I used their Race Flo Mufflers that came with the system. Overall, the mufflers sound OK at best, and the car doesn't have that MOPAR sound like it should. I'm considering changing the mufflers out. On my 86 Cutlass that I put a 350 in and full length headers, I used a Dynomax dual system designed for G body cars with small block chevy engines. The system fit OK. I don't like how they get around the fact that G body trans crossmembers don't have 2 humps in them for dual exhaust. They bend the pipe around and then try to tuck up back up. That system has been on that car since 2001 and it's rotting and falling apart, probably in part to the fact I was driving the car thourgh those wonderful NJ winters for a couple years until I got the truck. I would imagine the system they have for 68-72 A body GM would be a tad better in quality. All of these systems can be installed in 1 day by yourself and as long as you have certain tools like a pipe cutter or sawzall and some wrenches. I've had to cut and expand pipes on each of the installs I listed above. Tom Rightler MCC Newsletter Editor - Original Message - From: J. Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List chevelle-list@chevelles.net Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] best self-install kit? That's one thing about my current system that's probably working out as a good thing- since it's not sealed real well right now, all the moisture drains out on the floor in my garage!! 8^] I appreciate everyone' input on this, thanks so much. I saw the Pypes setup in either my Jegs or Summit catalog, and knew nada about their stuff, so it's good to hear some feedback on it. And I guess you guys are concluding from me talking about an exhaust swap, that I decided NOT to trade the car 8^] The exhaust thing has been the biggest thing bumming me out about the vehicle, so if I can get that resolved I think I'll be in a much better place. Regards, Jim --- John Nasta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, I've had Flowmasters on my 69 El Camino
