Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
Ahh, problem fixed It turned out to be the battery cable, which actually didn't surprise me since it's one of those you have to put the ends yourself (trunk mounted battery). Now I just got to figure out how to make that soft lead end stick better to the copper wires ... Engine started right up, and it appears my new wiring kit works ... electric choke kicked right in, the electric fan came on after about 10 mins and all my new gauages work. It was very relieving to hear the stroker's gear drive - something about that whine AH! Now back to the Wilwood brake install -Graham 67 SS http://projectchevelle.com/gallery/ Quoting Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In addition, the Voltage Regulator clicks as well when I turn the key to start - is this normal? Since this is the first time the car has been wired (I have ran the engine with a self-contained HEI starter unit), I don't have anything to go against... Thanks, -Graham On 12/19/04 5:10 PM, Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the email Steve; the wiring is actually new - a bumper to bumper kit and should be to today's standards. However, I will double check that and the voltage at the starter ... Thanks again! -Graham On 12/19/04 2:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its been a long time since I did any wiring on my car, but I think I had the same problem or something similar to your problem due to a voltage drop (About 8 volts -vs- 12+). I believe it was caused by a factory resistor that reduces your ignition voltage down for stock applications. I was installing HEI and it needed a full 12 volts to even start. Is there a posibility that your power lead is running through one of these resistors? Good luck, I know electrical work can be a nightmare, but one of these guys on the list can definitely pull you through. Steve From: Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/17 Fri PM 07:33:48 EST To: The Chevelle Mailing List Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS
Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
Its been a long time since I did any wiring on my car, but I think I had the same problem or something similar to your problem due to a voltage drop (About 8 volts -vs- 12+). I believe it was caused by a factory resistor that reduces your ignition voltage down for stock applications. I was installing HEI and it needed a full 12 volts to even start. Is there a posibility that your power lead is running through one of these resistors? Good luck, I know electrical work can be a nightmare, but one of these guys on the list can definitely pull you through. Steve From: Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/17 Fri PM 07:33:48 EST To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS
Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
Thanks for the email Steve; the wiring is actually new - a bumper to bumper kit and should be to today's standards. However, I will double check that and the voltage at the starter ... Thanks again! -Graham On 12/19/04 2:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its been a long time since I did any wiring on my car, but I think I had the same problem or something similar to your problem due to a voltage drop (About 8 volts -vs- 12+). I believe it was caused by a factory resistor that reduces your ignition voltage down for stock applications. I was installing HEI and it needed a full 12 volts to even start. Is there a posibility that your power lead is running through one of these resistors? Good luck, I know electrical work can be a nightmare, but one of these guys on the list can definitely pull you through. Steve From: Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/17 Fri PM 07:33:48 EST To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS
Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
In addition, the Voltage Regulator clicks as well when I turn the key to start - is this normal? Since this is the first time the car has been wired (I have ran the engine with a self-contained HEI starter unit), I don't have anything to go against... Thanks, -Graham On 12/19/04 5:10 PM, Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the email Steve; the wiring is actually new - a bumper to bumper kit and should be to today's standards. However, I will double check that and the voltage at the starter ... Thanks again! -Graham On 12/19/04 2:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its been a long time since I did any wiring on my car, but I think I had the same problem or something similar to your problem due to a voltage drop (About 8 volts -vs- 12+). I believe it was caused by a factory resistor that reduces your ignition voltage down for stock applications. I was installing HEI and it needed a full 12 volts to even start. Is there a posibility that your power lead is running through one of these resistors? Good luck, I know electrical work can be a nightmare, but one of these guys on the list can definitely pull you through. Steve From: Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/17 Fri PM 07:33:48 EST To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS
Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
OK, here's something similiar. Suppose when you turn the ignition to Start, about a fourth of the time you get just the click, and when you turn the key back to Off and then to Start again, the engine fires right up? I'm making a wild guess that either the starter solenoid or the ignition switch is dying. I cant diagnose electrical stuff, so I sort of follow the philosophy of whatever is getting near its natural life-span, replace that and see if it solves the problem. So what's the natural life span of these parts of the system? And is there a more professioonal way to do it? Graham Wooden wrote: In addition, the Voltage Regulator clicks as well when I turn the key to start - is this normal? Since this is the first time the car has been wired (I have ran the engine with a self-contained HEI starter unit), I don't have anything to go against... Thanks, -Graham On 12/19/04 5:10 PM, Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the email Steve; the wiring is actually new - a bumper to bumper kit and should be to today's standards. However, I will double check that and the voltage at the starter ... Thanks again! -Graham On 12/19/04 2:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its been a long time since I did any wiring on my car, but I think I had the same problem or something similar to your problem due to a voltage drop (About 8 volts -vs- 12+). I believe it was caused by a factory resistor that reduces your ignition voltage down for stock applications. I was installing HEI and it needed a full 12 volts to even start. Is there a posibility that your power lead is running through one of these resistors? Good luck, I know electrical work can be a nightmare, but one of these guys on the list can definitely pull you through. Steve From: Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/17 Fri PM 07:33:48 EST To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS -- Dennis Kiernan San Francisco
Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
I was having starter problems ever since I got my Malibu 4 years ago. It would start ok cold, but not when hot. I installed a starter heat shield, which seemed to work for a couple of years, but last year it started failing, hot or cold. I trouble shooted all the voltages, etc. Finally, I went to Advanced Auto, bought a $10 solenoid, and problem solved. It even starts fine without the heat shield. I think the solenoid has been failing slowly every since I got the car. Tom Tomlinson - Original Message - From: Dennis Kiernan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... OK, here's something similiar. Suppose when you turn the ignition to Start, about a fourth of the time you get just the click, and when you turn the key back to Off and then to Start again, the engine fires right up? I'm making a wild guess that either the starter solenoid or the ignition switch is dying. I cant diagnose electrical stuff, so I sort of follow the philosophy of whatever is getting near its natural life-span, replace that and see if it solves the problem. So what's the natural life span of these parts of the system? And is there a more professioonal way to do it? Graham Wooden wrote: In addition, the Voltage Regulator clicks as well when I turn the key to start - is this normal? Since this is the first time the car has been wired (I have ran the engine with a self-contained HEI starter unit), I don't have anything to go against... Thanks, -Graham On 12/19/04 5:10 PM, Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the email Steve; the wiring is actually new - a bumper to bumper kit and should be to today's standards. However, I will double check that and the voltage at the starter ... Thanks again! -Graham On 12/19/04 2:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its been a long time since I did any wiring on my car, but I think I had the same problem or something similar to your problem due to a voltage drop (About 8 volts -vs- 12+). I believe it was caused by a factory resistor that reduces your ignition voltage down for stock applications. I was installing HEI and it needed a full 12 volts to even start. Is there a posibility that your power lead is running through one of these resistors? Good luck, I know electrical work can be a nightmare, but one of these guys on the list can definitely pull you through. Steve From: Graham Wooden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2004/12/17 Fri PM 07:33:48 EST To: The Chevelle Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS -- Dennis Kiernan San Francisco
RE: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
Thanks Sarge - I think you're on the right track; even though that battery cable is new, but it's one that you put both ends on. I'll take it off and re-do the connectors. Thanks for the lead! -Graham Quoting Fruhauf Kerry A SSgt 3 CS/SCBBO [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Just a guess here, but I had the same problem last summer. After rewiring the entire starting system, it turned out to be the actual connection at the battery post. (positive side on mine) Any way, try replacing the posts, and the terminal connections. Total cost will be about $1.50. It's a simple project, and typically it can't hurt. It's not something that gets done very often, and most older cars can use them. SARGE '69 SS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Wooden Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:34 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS
[Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS
RE: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ...
Just a guess here, but I had the same problem last summer. After rewiring the entire starting system, it turned out to be the actual connection at the battery post. (positive side on mine) Any way, try replacing the posts, and the terminal connections. Total cost will be about $1.50. It's a simple project, and typically it can't hurt. It's not something that gets done very often, and most older cars can use them. SARGE '69 SS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Wooden Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:34 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: [Chevelle-list] Starter issues ... So I decided to take a brake from the Wilwood front-disc install to finish up on the new wiring kit. However, there seems to be an issue with my starter. When I turn the key to the Start, it ingages the starter but doesn't turn nor re-tract it back in - making a click only. Turning the key back to Off and then to Start just makes the click ... So, what could this be? A bad starter? Bad connection? Bad ground? I know it could be a shot in the dark, but thought I would ask you all. I guess I will take it out to get tested. -Graham 67 Chevelle SS
