Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
I have the Monte Carlo pump on my 72. Feel & response are just about right for a driver. But, the box does slightly limit the turning radius. Its more annoying than a real problem . Jim Shea @ Chevelle tech recommends a box from a 93 - 98 (or so) Jeep Grand Cherokee for a daily driver veicle . The road feel is good and the turning radius more closely matches the original - 72 anyway. BTW - Jim is a retired GM suspension engineer and he has several web pages devoted to steering stuff. Do a search over there for detailed info.On 7/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Hiya,A box from a 92-96 Caprice cop car (look for option 9C1) or 94-96 Impala SS will have a 12.7:1 ratio as well. I'm rebuilding one now, soI can't say of the effect, but the general consensus seems to be thatit's the best ratio! You could upgrade to a metric pump at the same time, ie, if you're in the wrecking yard.You'll also want to upgrade your power steering pump for greater flowand pressure at the same time. This involved swapping a fitting for onewith a larger orifice, a shorter spring to adjust minimum pressure, and shortening the flow valve. This page shows a comparison of a few pumpsand their interiors, and has part numbers for the ugrades.http://jeffd.50megs.com/Pump_valve_mod_page.htm I pulled the pump from the cop car, and the fitting and valve need noimprovement. Just the spring is different. I also pulled a pump from a90s truck, and it was the same - just needed the spring. Take a fluid wrench and 1" socket to the yard and see what you can assemble fromwhat's there if you need to do it on the cheap.Hope this helps,Dave.On Jul 15, 2006, at 4:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>> If you can find one, get a steering box from a Monte Carlo SS> (83-88). They are a direct bolt on, just have to install the Chevelle> pitman arm.> > Tom-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin)iD8DBQFEuxLfrFe9ZwWo2/kRArUtAJ47BgXmIUJOstXjPHgA4yDpQaEOIgCfYA3fevST2siB49FyNXiQvc+4TT8==sNhX-END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Rick Schaefer72 TPI El Camino
Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hiya, A box from a 92-96 Caprice cop car (look for option 9C1) or 94-96 Impala SS will have a 12.7:1 ratio as well. I'm rebuilding one now, so I can't say of the effect, but the general consensus seems to be that it's the best ratio! You could upgrade to a metric pump at the same time, ie, if you're in the wrecking yard. You'll also want to upgrade your power steering pump for greater flow and pressure at the same time. This involved swapping a fitting for one with a larger orifice, a shorter spring to adjust minimum pressure, and shortening the flow valve. This page shows a comparison of a few pumps and their interiors, and has part numbers for the ugrades. http://jeffd.50megs.com/Pump_valve_mod_page.htm I pulled the pump from the cop car, and the fitting and valve need no improvement. Just the spring is different. I also pulled a pump from a 90s truck, and it was the same - just needed the spring. Take a fluid wrench and 1" socket to the yard and see what you can assemble from what's there if you need to do it on the cheap. Hope this helps, Dave. On Jul 15, 2006, at 4:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can find one, get a steering box from a Monte Carlo SS (83-88). They are a direct bolt on, just have to install the Chevelle pitman arm. Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEuxLfrFe9ZwWo2/kRArUtAJ47BgXmIUJOstXjPHgA4yDpQaEOIgCfYA3f evST2siB49FyNXiQvc+4TT8= =sNhX -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
I have it on my 72 and love it! Dan From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:25 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio I'm wanting a 12.7:1 ratio for my car,someday. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino protourer http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm http://www.lateral-g.net/members/hooper/ "You may find me dead one day in a ditch. But by God,you'll find me in a pile of brass." - Original Message - From: Ryan Langstraat I'm trying to decide which steering box I am wanting to purchase. I would like to have fairly responsive steering but I also dont want it to jump all over the road when I touch the steering wheel. Could some of you guys let me know what the ratio is on your cars and if you would change it or not? Thanks for the help Ryan
Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
Most likely,it's a 17:1 ratio power steering box. A 12.7 should be just right. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino protourer http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm http://www.lateral-g.net/members/hooper/ "You may find me dead one day in a ditch. But by God,you'll find me in a pile of brass." - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Clint, > What ratio are you using now? > I went from 21:1 to 17:1 in my 64 and it just made me want more! > So now I have a 12.7:1 box sitting in my "hope chest" for when I get my 4 dr sedan on the road. > Pete Geurds > Douglassville, PA
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I had a 12.7:1 in my 67 SS from AGR and really liked it. Couldn't 'one-finger' it as it was a bit stiffer than whatever stock was but it was solid, firm, and quick. http://www.powersteering.com/products/ can rebuild yours for the same 12.7:1 ratio for $249. Dale McIntosh 67 El Camino 1966/67 Chevelle Reference CD! http://www.chevellecd.com ACES #1709/TC Gold #92
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> From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2006/07/15 Sat PM 07:24:35 EDT > To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio > > I'm wanting a 12.7:1 ratio for my car,someday. > Clint Hooper Clint, What ratio are you using now? I went from 21:1 to 17:1 in my 64 and it just made me want more! So now I have a 12.7:1 box sitting in my "hope chest" for when I get my 4 dr sedan on the road. Pete Geurds Douglassville, PA
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I'm wanting a 12.7:1 ratio for my car,someday. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino protourerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htmhttp://www.lateral-g.net/members/hooper/"You may find me dead one day in a ditch. But by God,you'll find me in a pile of brass." - Original Message - From: Ryan Langstraat I'm trying to decide which steering box I am wanting to purchase. I would like to have fairly responsive steering but I also dont want it to jump all over the road when I touch the steering wheel. Could some of you guys let me know what the ratio is on your cars and if you would change it or not? Thanks for the help Ryan
Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
If you can find one, get a steering box from a Monte Carlo SS (83-88). They are a direct bolt on, just have to install the Chevelle pitman arm. Tom
[Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
I'm trying to decide which steering box I am wanting to purchase. I would like to have fairly responsive steering but I also dont want it to jump all over the road when I touch the steering wheel. Could some of you guys let me know what the ratio is on your cars and if you would change it or not? Thanks for the help Ryan
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The trend is towards tighter ratios,Dan. A 12:1 box is what I want for my car. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck Clint, I thought the trend was for tighter steering. Like 12:1. From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doing a little searching in my A-body archives,I found this link that might answer our questions. http://www.corvettefaq.com/A-car.asp Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Denny Shewmake Clint; I came up with a 14:1 ratio (3.25 turns lock-to-lock) which I believe is pretty standard 800 GM stuff. The 20:1 is manual. Is this correct? I don't want it too quick, want to be able to take my eyes off the road for eye candy.ds
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Independent testing. As synthetics go,the ingredients in Redline far surpass those used in Royal Purple,Mobil 1,or many others. Redline isn't cheap,though. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dan Mascheck Clint, how do you know redline is better oil than Royal Purple Dont take offense Im just asking. From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a suggestion but use Redline,instead. Much better products. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Denny Shewmake Thanks for the link.. I'll do my homework. I'm probably going with the middle box, be it 3.3 LTL or 3.5. New question - synthetic oil (Royal Purple) - in a new Power steering pump and new gearbox. Should not require any "break in" before using it? I read the thread on engines - don't use on new or just rebuilt or old.. how about Power steering?..ds From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Doing a little searching in my A-body archives,I found this link that might answer our questions. http://www.corvettefaq.com/A-car.asp Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
RE: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
Clint, how do you know redline is better oil than Royal Purple…Don’t take offense…I’m just asking. From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:46 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio Just a suggestion but use Redline,instead. Much better products. Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Denny Shewmake Thanks for the link.. I'll do my homework. I'm probably going with the middle box, be it 3.3 LTL or 3.5. New question - synthetic oil (Royal Purple) - in a new Power steering pump and new gearbox. Should not require any "break in" before using it? I read the thread on engines - don't use on new or just rebuilt or old.. how about Power steering?..ds From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Doing a little searching in my A-body archives,I found this link that might answer our questions. http://www.corvettefaq.com/A-car.asp Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
RE: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
Clint, I thought the trend was for tighter steering. Like 12:1. From: Clint Hooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 2:28 PM To: The Chevelle Mailing List Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio Doing a little searching in my A-body archives,I found this link that might answer our questions. http://www.corvettefaq.com/A-car.asp Clint Hooper H&H Custom,owner 1969 El Camino ProTourer 2001 H-D FLHR custom bagger http://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Denny Shewmake Clint; I came up with a 14:1 ratio (3.25 turns lock-to-lock) which I believe is pretty standard 800 GM stuff. The 20:1 is manual. Is this correct? I don't want it too quick, want to be able to take my eyes off the road for eye candy.ds
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Here's another link that might be more helpful. http://www.chevelles.com/techref/shea_3.html Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Doing a little searching in my A-body archives,I found this link that might answer our questions. http://www.corvettefaq.com/A-car.asp Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
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Just a suggestion but use Redline,instead. Much better products. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Denny Shewmake Thanks for the link.. I'll do my homework. I'm probably going with the middle box, be it 3.3 LTL or 3.5. New question - synthetic oil (Royal Purple) - in a new Power steering pump and new gearbox. Should not require any "break in" before using it? I read the thread on engines - don't use on new or just rebuilt or old.. how about Power steering?..ds From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Doing a little searching in my A-body archives,I found this link that might answer our questions. http://www.corvettefaq.com/A-car.asp Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
Thanks for the link.. I'll do my homework. I'm probably going with the middle box, be it 3.3 LTL or 3.5. New question - synthetic oil (Royal Purple) - in a new Power steering pump and new gearbox. Should not require any "break in" before using it? I read the thread on engines - don't use on new or just rebuilt or old.. how about Power steering?..ds From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering RatioDate: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:27:35 -0600 Doing a little searching in my A-body archives,I found this link that might answer our questions. http://www.corvettefaq.com/A-car.asp Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm
Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
Doing a little searching in my A-body archives,I found this link that might answer our questions. http://www.corvettefaq.com/A-car.asp Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Denny Shewmake Clint; I came up with a 14:1 ratio (3.25 turns lock-to-lock) which I believe is pretty standard 800 GM stuff. The 20:1 is manual. Is this correct? I don't want it too quick, want to be able to take my eyes off the road for eye candy.ds
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14:1 is a pretty quick-steering ratio,Denny. The Saginaw box in my El Camino is at least a 17:1 or 20:1 ratio. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Denny Shewmake Clint; I came up with a 14:1 ratio (3.25 turns lock-to-lock) which I believe is pretty standard 800 GM stuff. The 20:1 is manual. Is this correct? I don't want it too quick, want to be able to take my eyes off the road for eye candy.ds From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Denny probably wants either a 20:1 or 17:1 ratio. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dean Vandergriff Denny, Ive got a 2.5 LTL box on my 65. Im running 235/60/16 tires up front & dont have any twitchy feel but you cant really turn & stare at something along the road either. Dean Vandergriff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denny Shewmake Hi, I'm back on the list after a long absence. Have read the archives on a regular basis. I have a 71 Malibu 4 door. Been working on for several years, it is now drivable on a regular basis. This is occasional driver, no track time but occasional green light action (I'm 63). I am replacing the power steering pump and while I am at it, want to replace the steering gearbox. The power steering gearbox is available in quick ratio - 3.5 Lock to Lock, and Super Fast 2.5 LTL. I have read the 2.5 is "twitchy". Does anyone have any experience or opinion on this? Leaning toward the 3.5 as it has now, but would appreciate more info. Thanks, Denny
Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
Clint; I came up with a 14:1 ratio (3.25 turns lock-to-lock) which I believe is pretty standard 800 GM stuff. The 20:1 is manual. Is this correct? I don't want it too quick, want to be able to take my eyes off the road for eye candy.ds From: "Clint Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering RatioDate: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:15:41 -0600 Denny probably wants either a 20:1 or 17:1 ratio. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dean Vandergriff Denny, Ive got a 2.5 LTL box on my 65. Im running 235/60/16 tires up front & dont have any twitchy feel but you cant really turn & stare at something along the road either. Dean Vandergriff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denny Shewmake Hi, I'm back on the list after a long absence. Have read the archives on a regular basis. I have a 71 Malibu 4 door. Been working on for several years, it is now drivable on a regular basis. This is occasional driver, no track time but occasional green light action (I'm 63). I am replacing the power steering pump and while I am at it, want to replace the steering gearbox. The power steering gearbox is available in quick ratio - 3.5 Lock to Lock, and Super Fast 2.5 LTL. I have read the 2.5 is "twitchy". Does anyone have any experience or opinion on this? Leaning toward the 3.5 as it has now, but would appreciate more info. Thanks, Denny
Re: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
Denny probably wants either a 20:1 or 17:1 ratio. Clint HooperH&H Custom,owner1969 El Camino ProTourer2001 H-D FLHR custom baggerhttp://dalesplace.com/misc/friends/clint/clint_hooper.htm - Original Message - From: Dean Vandergriff Denny, Ive got a 2.5 LTL box on my 65. Im running 235/60/16 tires up front & dont have any twitchy feel but you cant really turn & stare at something along the road either. Dean Vandergriff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denny Shewmake Hi, I'm back on the list after a long absence. Have read the archives on a regular basis. I have a 71 Malibu 4 door. Been working on for several years, it is now drivable on a regular basis. This is occasional driver, no track time but occasional green light action (I'm 63). I am replacing the power steering pump and while I am at it, want to replace the steering gearbox. The power steering gearbox is available in quick ratio - 3.5 Lock to Lock, and Super Fast 2.5 LTL. I have read the 2.5 is "twitchy". Does anyone have any experience or opinion on this? Leaning toward the 3.5 as it has now, but would appreciate more info. Thanks, Denny
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Dean; Thanks for the info. Was thinking for a few $'s more could have the 2.5, but the 3.5 will be tight and should last me another 35 years in a restored part time driver. Don't want to learn how to drive again at my age!Denny From: "Dean Vandergriff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: The Chevelle Mailing List To: "The Chevelle Mailing List" Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] Steering RatioDate: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:31:46 -0600 Denny, Ive got a 2.5 LTL box on my 65. Im running 235/60/16 tires up front & dont have any twitchy feel but you cant really turn & stare at something along the road either. Dean Vandergriff
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Denny, I’ve got a 2.5 LTL box on my 65. I’m running 235/60/16 tires up front & don’t have any “twitchy” feel but you can’t really turn & stare at something along the road either. Dean Vandergriff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denny Shewmake Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:02 AM To: Chevelle-list@chevelles.net Subject: [Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio Hi, I'm back on the list after a long absence. Have read the archives on a regular basis. I have a 71 Malibu 4 door. Been working on for several years, it is now drivable on a regular basis. This is occasional driver, no track time but occasional green light action (I'm 63). I am replacing the power steering pump and while I am at it, want to replace the steering gearbox. The power steering gearbox is available in quick ratio - 3.5 Lock to Lock, and Super Fast 2.5 LTL. I have read the 2.5 is "twitchy". Does anyone have any experience or opinion on this? Leaning toward the 3.5 as it has now, but would appreciate more info. Thanks, Denny
[Chevelle-list] Steering Ratio
Hi, I'm back on the list after a long absence. Have read the archives on a regular basis. I have a 71 Malibu 4 door. Been working on for several years, it is now drivable on a regular basis. This is occasional driver, no track time but occasional green light action (I'm 63). I am replacing the power steering pump and while I am at it, want to replace the steering gearbox. The power steering gearbox is available in quick ratio - 3.5 Lock to Lock, and Super Fast 2.5 LTL. I have read the 2.5 is "twitchy". Does anyone have any experience or opinion on this? Leaning toward the 3.5 as it has now, but would appreciate more info. Thanks, Denny
