Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
Hello Matt, > But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is still not available > as an official Debian package and it is a burden to deploy. It is also > still not supported on Mac. The last I've heard on the topic was that the project has support for the latest Ubuntu rather than Debian, but yes, this is a bad situation. > NOTE: If hypergiant had a widget library with a decent text widget > (line wrapping, copy/paste to the OS etc.) I'd have considered it. > Raylib was also interesting and it's text support might have been > adequate but the egg was never published and seems abandoned. I've done some GUI work before and published a few eggs. The kiwi egg does provide GUI widgets for use with SDL2. They are so-so in terms of quality, but the source code is relatively simple to study. If your game needs are simple, then you might get away with using or porting it. One other alternative I've investigated specifically for use with multimedia demos is nuklear. It implements an immediate mode GUI (IMGUI) in form of a huge header file and requires the user to hook it up with their toolkit and event loop. There are existing examples for using it with SDL2 and such. I made an egg for C4 (the C5 port has been stalled for silly reasons). The IMGUI concept itself is simple and interesting enough to explore in Scheme rather than C. Dear Imgui provides a more advanced version using C++ and there is a tutorial by Casey Muratori for implementing your own. I also recall Christian Kellermann to have implemented similar widgets using that tutorial. Vasilij signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
Hello, wxWidgets seems to be slowly dying these days. Support for anything else than the classic desktop platforms is virtually non-existent and even things like subpixel scaling support are flaky at best. Creating bindings for a large C++ codebase like wxWidgets also seems like a major endeavour. Even the "official" wxPython bindings are often years out of sync with current versions of wxWidgets 樂 That said, if your target are classic desktop platforms and you like to write code in C++, wxWidgets is still a solid option for a UI toolkit! In particular, the API stability is great, which can't be said about the big competitor Qt, where even a patchlevel version number change often brings breaking API or behaviour changes that take at lot of effort to adapt to. Ciao, Thomas C. Am Do., 23. März 2023 um 13:07 Uhr schrieb elf : > Perhaps something more like wx would be better? Excellent cross-platform > support, including all necessary support structures, and iirc it can give > you lower-level graphics access too? Plus, of course, there are already > bindings for a large num of languages, and a guide to writing new bindings, > so... > > -elf > > > On 23 March 2023 13:43:10 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland > wrote: > >> Tk is great, no doubt about it. I still miss Eric Gallesio's STk. The >> reasons I decided against tk include: >> >>1. Clunky 1980's look and feel. (i) >>2. No IOS or Android support. (ii) >>3. I seemed to fight the widget layout model a lot when I used it. >>(iii) >>4. Two of the projects I'm starting are more game than normal app, >>including plans to have a VR view. >> >> (i) has been addressed with the latest tk, including themes apparently. >> (ii) it does appear possible to use tk on android but there is no touch >> support as best I can tell. >> (iii) Godot seems somewhat similar to IUP with hboxes, vboxes etc. >> hopefully easier for me to learn. >> >> #2 is a big concern but #4 is the deciding factor. I really need >> something that works and where I can reuse what I learn in many projects. >> I'd strongly prefer to use 100% Chicken but I also need to get things done >> and if I have to learn and use gd script for some of my projects I'll deal >> with it. I am also starting to see the value of a well done gui designer. >> >> What I want is a button in Godot that switches out gd script for Chicken >> Scheme. That would be an awesome tool! I'll settle for doing the >> communications, logic and other heavy lifting in a Chicken program and bolt >> on Godot for the user interface (via tcp for now). >> >> Just my $0.02 >> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 11:37 PM elf wrote: >> >>> Erm, what's wrong with the tk bindings, which should work everywhere >>> already? >>> >>> -elf >>> >>> On 23 March 2023 02:36:43 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland < >>> mattrwell...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >That would be great Thomas. For my part, I'll start working on my >>> project >>> >using what I can, learning Godot along the way. When you get to working >>> on >>> >this please let me know how I can help. >>> > >>> >Regarding the approach, I like the tooling to generate a loadable module >>> >idea. I figure leverage as much of Godot as a tool as possible. >>> > >>> >Thanks. >>> > >>> >On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:27 PM Thomas Chust >>> >wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hello, >>> >> >>> >> a combination of CHICKEN and Godot sounds very interesting! I've been >>> >> meaning to experiment more with that engine for a while, and with >>> Godot 4.0 >>> >> just out the door the time is probably perfect to try out the new >>> extension >>> >> APIs. >>> >> >>> >> I'm not completely sure how the CHICKEN/Godot hybrid should look like >>> and >>> >> suspect that embedding Godot in a CHICKEN egg would at least be >>> cumbersome. >>> >> Maybe some kind of tooling to streamline the task of rolling CHICKEN >>> code >>> >> into a single loadable module for Godot to use would be most >>> promising 樂 >>> >> >>> >> I think I've just found a project for the upcoming CHICKEN summer >>> workshop >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Ciao, >>> >> Thomas C. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Am Mi., 22. März 2023 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Matt Welland < >>> >> mattrwell...@gmail.com>: >>> >> >>> >>> I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it >>> >>> (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is >>> still >>> >>> not available as an official Debian package and it is a burden to >>> deploy. >>> >>> It is also still not supported on Mac. >>> >>> >>> >>> So, I'm scouting around (again) for alternatives and I'm starting to >>> lean >>> >>> towards using Godot for my next project. Godot + Chicken scheme that >>> is. >>> >>> I'm hoping that I can deploy to mac, Linux and Windows and maybe >>> even >>> >>> android without too much pain. >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is an article that makes the case for using Godot for graphical >>> user >>> >>> interfaces: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
Hello, nothing is "wrong" with Tk, I guess — different UI toolkits just have different strength 路 Combining Tcl/Tk with CHICKEN is a complex deployment scenario, and I think it works best on desktop platforms with nice package managers. If that's what you are targetting, the Tcl/Tk look and feel system works for you, and all the widgets you need are there, it's a great option! Ciao, Thomas C. Am Do., 23. März 2023 um 04:38 Uhr schrieb elf : > Erm, what's wrong with the tk bindings, which should work everywhere > already? > > -elf > > On 23 March 2023 02:36:43 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland > wrote: > >That would be great Thomas. For my part, I'll start working on my project > >using what I can, learning Godot along the way. When you get to working on > >this please let me know how I can help. > > > >Regarding the approach, I like the tooling to generate a loadable module > >idea. I figure leverage as much of Godot as a tool as possible. > > > >Thanks. > > > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:27 PM Thomas Chust > >wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> a combination of CHICKEN and Godot sounds very interesting! I've been > >> meaning to experiment more with that engine for a while, and with Godot > 4.0 > >> just out the door the time is probably perfect to try out the new > extension > >> APIs. > >> > >> I'm not completely sure how the CHICKEN/Godot hybrid should look like > and > >> suspect that embedding Godot in a CHICKEN egg would at least be > cumbersome. > >> Maybe some kind of tooling to streamline the task of rolling CHICKEN > code > >> into a single loadable module for Godot to use would be most promising > 樂 > >> > >> I think I've just found a project for the upcoming CHICKEN summer > workshop > >> > >> > >> Ciao, > >> Thomas C. > >> > >> > >> Am Mi., 22. März 2023 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Matt Welland < > >> mattrwell...@gmail.com>: > >> > >>> I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it > >>> (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is > still > >>> not available as an official Debian package and it is a burden to > deploy. > >>> It is also still not supported on Mac. > >>> > >>> So, I'm scouting around (again) for alternatives and I'm starting to > lean > >>> towards using Godot for my next project. Godot + Chicken scheme that > is. > >>> I'm hoping that I can deploy to mac, Linux and Windows and maybe even > >>> android without too much pain. > >>> > >>> Here is an article that makes the case for using Godot for graphical > user > >>> interfaces: > >>> > >>> > >>> > https://medium.com/swlh/what-makes-godot-engine-great-for-advance-gui-applications-b1cfb941df3b > >>> > >>> I can achieve what I need with any one of three approaches: > >>> > >>> 1. Godot <==> chicken executable, where the connection could be tcp, > http > >>> or similar. > >>> > >>> 2. Godot <==> chicken .so file > >>> > >>> 3. Chicken <==> godot egg > >>> > >>> I don't have time or expertise to do an egg without help. Before I > start > >>> working using option 1 or 2 I wanted to ask the chicken community if > there > >>> was interest in collaborating on creating a godot egg. > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> NOTE: If hypergiant had a widget library with a decent text widget > (line > >>> wrapping, copy/paste to the OS etc.) I'd have considered it. Raylib was > >>> also interesting and it's text support might have been adequate but > the egg > >>> was never published and seems abandoned. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. > >>> It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson. > >>> > >> > > > >
Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
Thanks for the suggestion elf. More than ever I recognize how important it is to make these decisions carefully and I appreciate input from the list. I'll sketch out an analysis of my decision and then gauge wx in that light. Maybe this will be of use to others, if not, my apologies for the email clutter. Project A, need gui with decent text widget. 90% done, (all Chicken) and existing gui in IUP is decent. Project B, builds on A, needs gui, text editing and 2D graphics, probably vector and bitmap. Project C, builds on A, needs 3D graphics and (hopefully) VR support (I have a Valve Index, VR aspect would be fun to build and use I hope). Project D unifies A, B and C but is an ordinary gui, it just needs good widgets, especially text. Linux, Windows, MacOS and Android support is important, IOS would be icing on the cake. In each of these projects the data to and from the gui from the logic side is not large. The tcp to Godot approach or even json files in/out of Godot will work ok. - wx would need an egg. I'm guessing the learning curve would be substantial. - wx + hypergiant seems clumsy, is there a way to embed a hypergiant view into a wx gui? - None of the options seem easy to deploy on all three primary platforms; Linux, Windows and Android, much less even possible to deploy to IOS. So would wx save time, improve look and feel or have some other advantage? Is there some other option I should consider? On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 8:06 AM elf wrote: > Perhaps something more like wx would be better? Excellent cross-platform > support, including all necessary support structures, and iirc it can give > you lower-level graphics access too? Plus, of course, there are already > bindings for a large num of languages, and a guide to writing new bindings, > so... > > -elf > > > On 23 March 2023 13:43:10 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland > wrote: > >> Tk is great, no doubt about it. I still miss Eric Gallesio's STk. The >> reasons I decided against tk include: >> >>1. Clunky 1980's look and feel. (i) >>2. No IOS or Android support. (ii) >>3. I seemed to fight the widget layout model a lot when I used it. >>(iii) >>4. Two of the projects I'm starting are more game than normal app, >>including plans to have a VR view. >> >> (i) has been addressed with the latest tk, including themes apparently. >> (ii) it does appear possible to use tk on android but there is no touch >> support as best I can tell. >> (iii) Godot seems somewhat similar to IUP with hboxes, vboxes etc. >> hopefully easier for me to learn. >> >> #2 is a big concern but #4 is the deciding factor. I really need >> something that works and where I can reuse what I learn in many projects. >> I'd strongly prefer to use 100% Chicken but I also need to get things done >> and if I have to learn and use gd script for some of my projects I'll deal >> with it. I am also starting to see the value of a well done gui designer. >> >> What I want is a button in Godot that switches out gd script for Chicken >> Scheme. That would be an awesome tool! I'll settle for doing the >> communications, logic and other heavy lifting in a Chicken program and bolt >> on Godot for the user interface (via tcp for now). >> >> Just my $0.02 >> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 11:37 PM elf wrote: >> >>> Erm, what's wrong with the tk bindings, which should work everywhere >>> already? >>> >>> -elf >>> >>> On 23 March 2023 02:36:43 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland < >>> mattrwell...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >That would be great Thomas. For my part, I'll start working on my >>> project >>> >using what I can, learning Godot along the way. When you get to working >>> on >>> >this please let me know how I can help. >>> > >>> >Regarding the approach, I like the tooling to generate a loadable module >>> >idea. I figure leverage as much of Godot as a tool as possible. >>> > >>> >Thanks. >>> > >>> >On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:27 PM Thomas Chust >>> >wrote: >>> > >>> >> Hello, >>> >> >>> >> a combination of CHICKEN and Godot sounds very interesting! I've been >>> >> meaning to experiment more with that engine for a while, and with >>> Godot 4.0 >>> >> just out the door the time is probably perfect to try out the new >>> extension >>> >> APIs. >>> >> >>> >> I'm not completely sure how the CHICKEN/Godot hybrid should look like >>> and >>> >> suspect that embedding Godot in a CHICKEN egg would at least be >>> cumbersome. >>> >> Maybe some kind of tooling to streamline the task of rolling CHICKEN >>> code >>> >> into a single loadable module for Godot to use would be most >>> promising 樂 >>> >> >>> >> I think I've just found a project for the upcoming CHICKEN summer >>> workshop >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Ciao, >>> >> Thomas C. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Am Mi., 22. März 2023 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Matt Welland < >>> >> mattrwell...@gmail.com>: >>> >> >>> >>> I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it >>> >>> (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later
Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
Perhaps something more like wx would be better? Excellent cross-platform support, including all necessary support structures, and iirc it can give you lower-level graphics access too? Plus, of course, there are already bindings for a large num of languages, and a guide to writing new bindings, so... -elf On 23 March 2023 13:43:10 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland wrote: >Tk is great, no doubt about it. I still miss Eric Gallesio's STk. The >reasons I decided against tk include: > > 1. Clunky 1980's look and feel. (i) > 2. No IOS or Android support. (ii) > 3. I seemed to fight the widget layout model a lot when I used it. (iii) > 4. Two of the projects I'm starting are more game than normal app, > including plans to have a VR view. > >(i) has been addressed with the latest tk, including themes apparently. >(ii) it does appear possible to use tk on android but there is no touch >support as best I can tell. >(iii) Godot seems somewhat similar to IUP with hboxes, vboxes etc. >hopefully easier for me to learn. > >#2 is a big concern but #4 is the deciding factor. I really need something >that works and where I can reuse what I learn in many projects. I'd >strongly prefer to use 100% Chicken but I also need to get things done and >if I have to learn and use gd script for some of my projects I'll deal with >it. I am also starting to see the value of a well done gui designer. > >What I want is a button in Godot that switches out gd script for Chicken >Scheme. That would be an awesome tool! I'll settle for doing the >communications, logic and other heavy lifting in a Chicken program and bolt >on Godot for the user interface (via tcp for now). > >Just my $0.02 > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 11:37 PM elf wrote: > >> Erm, what's wrong with the tk bindings, which should work everywhere >> already? >> >> -elf >> >> On 23 March 2023 02:36:43 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland >> wrote: >> >That would be great Thomas. For my part, I'll start working on my project >> >using what I can, learning Godot along the way. When you get to working on >> >this please let me know how I can help. >> > >> >Regarding the approach, I like the tooling to generate a loadable module >> >idea. I figure leverage as much of Godot as a tool as possible. >> > >> >Thanks. >> > >> >On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:27 PM Thomas Chust >> >wrote: >> > >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> a combination of CHICKEN and Godot sounds very interesting! I've been >> >> meaning to experiment more with that engine for a while, and with Godot >> 4.0 >> >> just out the door the time is probably perfect to try out the new >> extension >> >> APIs. >> >> >> >> I'm not completely sure how the CHICKEN/Godot hybrid should look like >> and >> >> suspect that embedding Godot in a CHICKEN egg would at least be >> cumbersome. >> >> Maybe some kind of tooling to streamline the task of rolling CHICKEN >> code >> >> into a single loadable module for Godot to use would be most promising >> 樂 >> >> >> >> I think I've just found a project for the upcoming CHICKEN summer >> workshop >> >> >> >> >> >> Ciao, >> >> Thomas C. >> >> >> >> >> >> Am Mi., 22. März 2023 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Matt Welland < >> >> mattrwell...@gmail.com>: >> >> >> >>> I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it >> >>> (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is >> still >> >>> not available as an official Debian package and it is a burden to >> deploy. >> >>> It is also still not supported on Mac. >> >>> >> >>> So, I'm scouting around (again) for alternatives and I'm starting to >> lean >> >>> towards using Godot for my next project. Godot + Chicken scheme that >> is. >> >>> I'm hoping that I can deploy to mac, Linux and Windows and maybe even >> >>> android without too much pain. >> >>> >> >>> Here is an article that makes the case for using Godot for graphical >> user >> >>> interfaces: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> https://medium.com/swlh/what-makes-godot-engine-great-for-advance-gui-applications-b1cfb941df3b >> >>> >> >>> I can achieve what I need with any one of three approaches: >> >>> >> >>> 1. Godot <==> chicken executable, where the connection could be tcp, >> http >> >>> or similar. >> >>> >> >>> 2. Godot <==> chicken .so file >> >>> >> >>> 3. Chicken <==> godot egg >> >>> >> >>> I don't have time or expertise to do an egg without help. Before I >> start >> >>> working using option 1 or 2 I wanted to ask the chicken community if >> there >> >>> was interest in collaborating on creating a godot egg. >> >>> >> >>> Thanks! >> >>> >> >>> NOTE: If hypergiant had a widget library with a decent text widget >> (line >> >>> wrapping, copy/paste to the OS etc.) I'd have considered it. Raylib was >> >>> also interesting and it's text support might have been adequate but >> the egg >> >>> was never published and seems abandoned. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. >> >>> It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson. >>
Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
Tk is great, no doubt about it. I still miss Eric Gallesio's STk. The reasons I decided against tk include: 1. Clunky 1980's look and feel. (i) 2. No IOS or Android support. (ii) 3. I seemed to fight the widget layout model a lot when I used it. (iii) 4. Two of the projects I'm starting are more game than normal app, including plans to have a VR view. (i) has been addressed with the latest tk, including themes apparently. (ii) it does appear possible to use tk on android but there is no touch support as best I can tell. (iii) Godot seems somewhat similar to IUP with hboxes, vboxes etc. hopefully easier for me to learn. #2 is a big concern but #4 is the deciding factor. I really need something that works and where I can reuse what I learn in many projects. I'd strongly prefer to use 100% Chicken but I also need to get things done and if I have to learn and use gd script for some of my projects I'll deal with it. I am also starting to see the value of a well done gui designer. What I want is a button in Godot that switches out gd script for Chicken Scheme. That would be an awesome tool! I'll settle for doing the communications, logic and other heavy lifting in a Chicken program and bolt on Godot for the user interface (via tcp for now). Just my $0.02 On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 11:37 PM elf wrote: > Erm, what's wrong with the tk bindings, which should work everywhere > already? > > -elf > > On 23 March 2023 02:36:43 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland > wrote: > >That would be great Thomas. For my part, I'll start working on my project > >using what I can, learning Godot along the way. When you get to working on > >this please let me know how I can help. > > > >Regarding the approach, I like the tooling to generate a loadable module > >idea. I figure leverage as much of Godot as a tool as possible. > > > >Thanks. > > > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:27 PM Thomas Chust > >wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> a combination of CHICKEN and Godot sounds very interesting! I've been > >> meaning to experiment more with that engine for a while, and with Godot > 4.0 > >> just out the door the time is probably perfect to try out the new > extension > >> APIs. > >> > >> I'm not completely sure how the CHICKEN/Godot hybrid should look like > and > >> suspect that embedding Godot in a CHICKEN egg would at least be > cumbersome. > >> Maybe some kind of tooling to streamline the task of rolling CHICKEN > code > >> into a single loadable module for Godot to use would be most promising > 樂 > >> > >> I think I've just found a project for the upcoming CHICKEN summer > workshop > >> > >> > >> Ciao, > >> Thomas C. > >> > >> > >> Am Mi., 22. März 2023 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Matt Welland < > >> mattrwell...@gmail.com>: > >> > >>> I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it > >>> (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is > still > >>> not available as an official Debian package and it is a burden to > deploy. > >>> It is also still not supported on Mac. > >>> > >>> So, I'm scouting around (again) for alternatives and I'm starting to > lean > >>> towards using Godot for my next project. Godot + Chicken scheme that > is. > >>> I'm hoping that I can deploy to mac, Linux and Windows and maybe even > >>> android without too much pain. > >>> > >>> Here is an article that makes the case for using Godot for graphical > user > >>> interfaces: > >>> > >>> > >>> > https://medium.com/swlh/what-makes-godot-engine-great-for-advance-gui-applications-b1cfb941df3b > >>> > >>> I can achieve what I need with any one of three approaches: > >>> > >>> 1. Godot <==> chicken executable, where the connection could be tcp, > http > >>> or similar. > >>> > >>> 2. Godot <==> chicken .so file > >>> > >>> 3. Chicken <==> godot egg > >>> > >>> I don't have time or expertise to do an egg without help. Before I > start > >>> working using option 1 or 2 I wanted to ask the chicken community if > there > >>> was interest in collaborating on creating a godot egg. > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> NOTE: If hypergiant had a widget library with a decent text widget > (line > >>> wrapping, copy/paste to the OS etc.) I'd have considered it. Raylib was > >>> also interesting and it's text support might have been adequate but > the egg > >>> was never published and seems abandoned. > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. > >>> It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson. > >>> > >> > > > > -- -- Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson.
Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
Erm, what's wrong with the tk bindings, which should work everywhere already? -elf On 23 March 2023 02:36:43 GMT+02:00, Matt Welland wrote: >That would be great Thomas. For my part, I'll start working on my project >using what I can, learning Godot along the way. When you get to working on >this please let me know how I can help. > >Regarding the approach, I like the tooling to generate a loadable module >idea. I figure leverage as much of Godot as a tool as possible. > >Thanks. > >On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:27 PM Thomas Chust >wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> a combination of CHICKEN and Godot sounds very interesting! I've been >> meaning to experiment more with that engine for a while, and with Godot 4.0 >> just out the door the time is probably perfect to try out the new extension >> APIs. >> >> I'm not completely sure how the CHICKEN/Godot hybrid should look like and >> suspect that embedding Godot in a CHICKEN egg would at least be cumbersome. >> Maybe some kind of tooling to streamline the task of rolling CHICKEN code >> into a single loadable module for Godot to use would be most promising 樂 >> >> I think I've just found a project for the upcoming CHICKEN summer workshop >> >> >> Ciao, >> Thomas C. >> >> >> Am Mi., 22. März 2023 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Matt Welland < >> mattrwell...@gmail.com>: >> >>> I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it >>> (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is still >>> not available as an official Debian package and it is a burden to deploy. >>> It is also still not supported on Mac. >>> >>> So, I'm scouting around (again) for alternatives and I'm starting to lean >>> towards using Godot for my next project. Godot + Chicken scheme that is. >>> I'm hoping that I can deploy to mac, Linux and Windows and maybe even >>> android without too much pain. >>> >>> Here is an article that makes the case for using Godot for graphical user >>> interfaces: >>> >>> >>> https://medium.com/swlh/what-makes-godot-engine-great-for-advance-gui-applications-b1cfb941df3b >>> >>> I can achieve what I need with any one of three approaches: >>> >>> 1. Godot <==> chicken executable, where the connection could be tcp, http >>> or similar. >>> >>> 2. Godot <==> chicken .so file >>> >>> 3. Chicken <==> godot egg >>> >>> I don't have time or expertise to do an egg without help. Before I start >>> working using option 1 or 2 I wanted to ask the chicken community if there >>> was interest in collaborating on creating a godot egg. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> NOTE: If hypergiant had a widget library with a decent text widget (line >>> wrapping, copy/paste to the OS etc.) I'd have considered it. Raylib was >>> also interesting and it's text support might have been adequate but the egg >>> was never published and seems abandoned. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. >>> It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson. >>> >> >
Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
That would be great Thomas. For my part, I'll start working on my project using what I can, learning Godot along the way. When you get to working on this please let me know how I can help. Regarding the approach, I like the tooling to generate a loadable module idea. I figure leverage as much of Godot as a tool as possible. Thanks. On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 12:27 PM Thomas Chust wrote: > Hello, > > a combination of CHICKEN and Godot sounds very interesting! I've been > meaning to experiment more with that engine for a while, and with Godot 4.0 > just out the door the time is probably perfect to try out the new extension > APIs. > > I'm not completely sure how the CHICKEN/Godot hybrid should look like and > suspect that embedding Godot in a CHICKEN egg would at least be cumbersome. > Maybe some kind of tooling to streamline the task of rolling CHICKEN code > into a single loadable module for Godot to use would be most promising 樂 > > I think I've just found a project for the upcoming CHICKEN summer workshop > > > Ciao, > Thomas C. > > > Am Mi., 22. März 2023 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Matt Welland < > mattrwell...@gmail.com>: > >> I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it >> (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is still >> not available as an official Debian package and it is a burden to deploy. >> It is also still not supported on Mac. >> >> So, I'm scouting around (again) for alternatives and I'm starting to lean >> towards using Godot for my next project. Godot + Chicken scheme that is. >> I'm hoping that I can deploy to mac, Linux and Windows and maybe even >> android without too much pain. >> >> Here is an article that makes the case for using Godot for graphical user >> interfaces: >> >> >> https://medium.com/swlh/what-makes-godot-engine-great-for-advance-gui-applications-b1cfb941df3b >> >> I can achieve what I need with any one of three approaches: >> >> 1. Godot <==> chicken executable, where the connection could be tcp, http >> or similar. >> >> 2. Godot <==> chicken .so file >> >> 3. Chicken <==> godot egg >> >> I don't have time or expertise to do an egg without help. Before I start >> working using option 1 or 2 I wanted to ask the chicken community if there >> was interest in collaborating on creating a godot egg. >> >> Thanks! >> >> NOTE: If hypergiant had a widget library with a decent text widget (line >> wrapping, copy/paste to the OS etc.) I'd have considered it. Raylib was >> also interesting and it's text support might have been adequate but the egg >> was never published and seems abandoned. >> >> >> -- >> Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. >> It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson. >> > -- -- Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson.
Re: Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
Hello, a combination of CHICKEN and Godot sounds very interesting! I've been meaning to experiment more with that engine for a while, and with Godot 4.0 just out the door the time is probably perfect to try out the new extension APIs. I'm not completely sure how the CHICKEN/Godot hybrid should look like and suspect that embedding Godot in a CHICKEN egg would at least be cumbersome. Maybe some kind of tooling to streamline the task of rolling CHICKEN code into a single loadable module for Godot to use would be most promising 樂 I think I've just found a project for the upcoming CHICKEN summer workshop Ciao, Thomas C. Am Mi., 22. März 2023 um 15:28 Uhr schrieb Matt Welland < mattrwell...@gmail.com>: > I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it > (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is still > not available as an official Debian package and it is a burden to deploy. > It is also still not supported on Mac. > > So, I'm scouting around (again) for alternatives and I'm starting to lean > towards using Godot for my next project. Godot + Chicken scheme that is. > I'm hoping that I can deploy to mac, Linux and Windows and maybe even > android without too much pain. > > Here is an article that makes the case for using Godot for graphical user > interfaces: > > > https://medium.com/swlh/what-makes-godot-engine-great-for-advance-gui-applications-b1cfb941df3b > > I can achieve what I need with any one of three approaches: > > 1. Godot <==> chicken executable, where the connection could be tcp, http > or similar. > > 2. Godot <==> chicken .so file > > 3. Chicken <==> godot egg > > I don't have time or expertise to do an egg without help. Before I start > working using option 1 or 2 I wanted to ask the chicken community if there > was interest in collaborating on creating a godot egg. > > Thanks! > > NOTE: If hypergiant had a widget library with a decent text widget (line > wrapping, copy/paste to the OS etc.) I'd have considered it. Raylib was > also interesting and it's text support might have been adequate but the egg > was never published and seems abandoned. > > > -- > Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. > It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson. >
Need GUI (again), gauging interest in an alternative approach.
I've been using IUP with Chicken for years. I really enjoy using it (thanks Thomas!). But, here we are, over 10 years later and IUP is still not available as an official Debian package and it is a burden to deploy. It is also still not supported on Mac. So, I'm scouting around (again) for alternatives and I'm starting to lean towards using Godot for my next project. Godot + Chicken scheme that is. I'm hoping that I can deploy to mac, Linux and Windows and maybe even android without too much pain. Here is an article that makes the case for using Godot for graphical user interfaces: https://medium.com/swlh/what-makes-godot-engine-great-for-advance-gui-applications-b1cfb941df3b I can achieve what I need with any one of three approaches: 1. Godot <==> chicken executable, where the connection could be tcp, http or similar. 2. Godot <==> chicken .so file 3. Chicken <==> godot egg I don't have time or expertise to do an egg without help. Before I start working using option 1 or 2 I wanted to ask the chicken community if there was interest in collaborating on creating a godot egg. Thanks! NOTE: If hypergiant had a widget library with a decent text widget (line wrapping, copy/paste to the OS etc.) I'd have considered it. Raylib was also interesting and it's text support might have been adequate but the egg was never published and seems abandoned. -- Complexity is your enemy. Any fool can make something complicated. It is hard to keep things simple. - Richard Branson.
