Re: Fwd: Re: [ChurchillChat] Approaching Another Milestone

2017-09-11 Thread STAN ORCHARD 

  Well all I can say then is that rumours of his book have been greatly exaggerated.BullfrogControl.com Inc.69A Burnside Road WestVictoria, British ColumbiaCANADA  V9A 1B6bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764)www.bullfrogcontrol.comSent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™www.blackberry.comFrom: "Gregory B. Smith" To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" Sent: 11 September, 2017 2:01 PMSubject: Re: Fwd: Re: [ChurchillChat] Approaching Another Milestone
If by "author" you are referring to Churchill, indeed he is dead,
  but alive or dead, he has had nothing to do with the delay in the
  new edition of TRW, edited by Jim Muller, who at least last week
  was quite alive as I enjoyed dinner with him.


On 9/11/2017 11:55 AM, Stan A. Orchard
  wrote:


  
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Thanks Dave for that information.  I was
totally unaware of this fact since there is no clarification
on the St. Augustine website.  Apologies to all for my
ignorance and flippancy.
Stan


On 2017-09-11 11:11 AM, Dave
  Turrell wrote:


  
  
  
  
In
all fairness, you should keep in mind that the “fearful
fatalistic apathy by the author” may be due to the fact
that he’s dead.
 
Dave
 

  
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Subject: [ChurchillChat] Approaching Another
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How
dreadful are the curses which The River War (St.
Augustine Press) lays on its prospective readers! 
Besides the fanatical frenzy to purchase this bloody
book, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a
dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy by the
author and publisher.  The ultimate effects of this
enterprise are forever forthcoming.  The implication of
impotent writing habits, slovenly systems of manuscript
editing, sluggish methods of book binding, and randomly
selected or expired publication dates are manifest
wherever the followers of the St. Augustine Press
website access their internet.  A degrading sense of
hopelessness and abandonment envelops Churchill fans
deprived of this book’s much heralded grace and
refinement; along with an ever-diminishing faith in the
dignity of scholarly publications and the sanctity of
truth in advertising.  

  
On
this coming September 20th will Professor Mueller once
again emerge from his Alaskan burrow, manuscript in
hand, only to be repelled by sight of his own shadow?  


  
Stan
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RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

2016-10-22 Thread STAN ORCHARD 
Thanks for the response.  I have not been privy to any of the thorough discussions that you allude to, so I am as much in the dark today as I was many years ago when the the initial announcement of this publication was released.  I guess it's fair to say that Professor Muller is a riddle wrapped in a mystery.StanBullfrogControl.com Inc.69A Burnside Road WestVictoria, British ColumbiaCANADA  V9A 1B6bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764)www.bullfrogcontrol.comSent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™www.blackberry.comFrom: "Lee Pollock" To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" Sent: 22 October, 2016 4:32 PMSubject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River WarStan – your inference is incorrect.  The publication of this book is not and never has been a direct undertaking or commitment of The Churchill Centre, as much as we try to support Prof. Muller on this and all of his other work. We will be ordering a substantial number of copies when it is published and publicizing it to our members and other contacts around the world. The suggestion that there has been any lack of candor with respect to the timing of this book is not warranted. At this point, this subject has been thoroughly discussed and further commentary about the date of publication may not be helpful.  When it is published, this list will be among the groups informed and I hope that everyone, including those who have been anxiously awaiting its appearance will buy one or more sets. Thank you. From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of STAN ORCHARDSent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 6:02 PMTo: churchillchat@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial contribution threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached before the book can be published.  And if the Centre had more cash flow the book would have been printed and shipped long ago.  If this is the case then why not just confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic timeline to publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can understand.  Is this the end?  The beginning of the end?  Or, at least the end of the beginning? StanBullfrogControl.com Inc.69A Burnside Road WestVictoria, British ColumbiaCANADA V9A 1B6bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764)www.bullfrogcontrol.comSent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™www.blackberry.com From: "Lee Pollock" To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PMSubject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War Dear Jonathan: I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case.  While The Churchill Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available for grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of The River War surely is.  Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and St.  Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world where the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress. But I would like to offer the following suggestions: 1.   This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are not members of The Churchill Centre.  I encourage those of you who are not to join, which you can do online or by using the attached form.  If you so indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars. 2.   For those who are already members (and for others):  we welcome contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate that your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The River War and/or for general research by Prof. Muller and others. I hope you will all give favorable consideration to these suggestions. Lee PollockExecutive DirectorThe Churchill CentreChicago, IL 60603lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org    From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chateaustegosau...@att.netSent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:38 AMTo: churchillchat@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War I, also, received a notice that the October pub date was off, but they didn't give a new one.  I hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 'cause there ain't going to be any royalties. Jonathan Hayes From: Dave Turrell To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:40 PMSubject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War In doing some desultory web browsing today, I note that the latest date that St Augustine Press has been giving for

RE: [ChurchillChat] The River War

2016-10-22 Thread STAN ORCHARD 
My interpretation of Lee's posting is that there is some financial contribution threshold from The Churchill Centre that needs to be reached before the book can be published.  And if the Centre had more cash flow the book would have been printed and shipped long ago.  If this is the case then why not just confess the shortfall and provide everyone with a realistic timeline to publication based upon facts and circumstances that everyone can understand.  Is this the end?  The beginning of the end?  Or, at least the end of the beginning?StanBullfrogControl.com Inc.69A Burnside Road WestVictoria, British ColumbiaCANADA  V9A 1B6bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764)www.bullfrogcontrol.comSent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™www.blackberry.comFrom: "Lee Pollock" To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" Sent: 22 October, 2016 3:05 PMSubject: RE: [ChurchillChat] The River WarDear Jonathan: I wish I could tell you and the other members of this chat group that Prof. Muller has been “well compensated” for his 15+ years of work on this immense undertaking, but that unfortunately is not the case.  While The Churchill Centre has been continuously supportive of his efforts on this and other Churchill works, we are a small non-profit and have limited funds available for grants for research and writing, no matter how worthy, as this edition of The River War surely is.  Specialized works of this kind do not garner big advances from publishers and St.  Augustine Press itself is a small independent enterprise in a world where the publishing and bookselling trades are under stress. But I would like to offer the following suggestions: 1.   This chat group has a fairly large number of members, many of whom are not members of The Churchill Centre.  I encourage those of you who are not to join, which you can do online or by using the attached form.  If you so indicate, one hundred percent of your first year’s dues will be used to support the research and writing of Prof. Muller and other scholars. 2.   For those who are already members (and for others):  we welcome contributions of any amount that you might consider and you can designate that your funds be used to support publication of this new edition of The River War and/or for general research by Prof. Muller and others. I hope you will all give favorable consideration to these suggestions. Lee PollockExecutive DirectorThe Churchill CentreChicago, IL 60603lpoll...@winstonchurchill.org    From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chateaustegosau...@att.netSent: Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:38 AMTo: churchillchat@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War I, also, received a notice that the October pub date was off, but they didn't give a new one.  I hope Prof. Muller has been well compensated for his work 'cause there ain't going to be any royalties. Jonathan Hayes From: Dave Turrell To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 4:40 PMSubject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River War In doing some desultory web browsing today, I note that the latest date that St Augustine Press has been giving for publication of Jim Muller’s ‘River War’ (September 2016) has been and gone, like so many of their other proposed publication dates over the last 15 years or more.  Checking with Amazon, it seems that they were, at least, not taken in by the latest, and still show a publication date of November 2013.  While I think that most of us have come to accept the prospect of publication of this work as being something of a bizarre ongoing joke, I wonder if St. Augustine will get round to not referring to their offering as having a foreword by “Churchill’s only surviving child, Lady Soames”.  That strikes me as being a little tacky, at best. Cheers, Dave-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.



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2016-10-21 Thread STAN ORCHARD 
In September I sent an e-mail to St. Augustine Press asking if they could confirm that the publication date on their website for The River War was accurate.  The reply was that late November was the new target...I assumed they meant 2016.StanBullfrogControl.com Inc.69A Burnside Road WestVictoria, British ColumbiaCANADA  V9A 1B6bullfrogcont...@shaw.ca 250-858-FROG (3764)www.bullfrogcontrol.comSent from my BlackBerry® PlayBook™www.blackberry.comFrom: "Dave Turrell" To: "churchillchat@googlegroups.com" Sent: 21 October, 2016 4:40 PMSubject: [ChurchillChat] The (mythical) River WarIn doing some desultory web browsing today, I note that the latest date that St Augustine Press has been giving for publication of Jim Muller’s ‘River War’ (September 2016) has been and gone, like so many of their other proposed publication dates over the last 15 years or more.  Checking with Amazon, it seems that they were, at least, not taken in by the latest, and still show a publication date of November 2013.  While I think that most of us have come to accept the prospect of publication of this work as being something of a bizarre ongoing joke, I wonder if St. Augustine will get round to not referring to their offering as having a foreword by “Churchill’s only surviving child, Lady Soames”.  That strikes me as being a little tacky, at best. Cheers, Dave



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