[cia-drugs] Troops out now!

[Quechick Barnyard]

Troops out now, is that too dificult  for those who would be in charge to 
understand?  We must bring our National Reserves home now  We need them as 
we did when Katrina, Rita and other national emergencies came.  One reason the 
governors do not want the executive branch to take control of this 
administration to  use them for their personal use, here in the U.S.  Ever 
wonder where the North Atlantic Union will get their Police state from? We need 
them here and they were not trained to be foreign fighting soldiers.
   
  This is a very important topic to get them home now and in tact before the 
pResident puts them to work directly under his supervision as New World Order 
Police State.  That would not be fair to the people, nor our country as a 
whole.  
   
  I see no reason why they could not be elimented by troops which are in 
Georgia Russia and Slovakia, and other remote places.
   
  Even Russia offered to allow our troops to train the Iraqi troops in 
Kasikstan, which is their terriotory.  Wouldn't this be a safer way to train 
the iraq troops?  Besides I don t know if it is a good idea to create too large 
a military.  I believer that we should do a little talking and pr with the 
Sunnis and the Baaths. But as long as they hold Sadaam there it will give them 
hopes of freeing him.  He really should be put in the Hague International Court 
for Criminals.
   
  AlsoBaker-Hamilton Panel believes that the civil war there is Iraqi sectarian 
forces against one another.. Actually, I feel that the Shites are the wrong 
ones to be in power.  There should be shared power by all for factions.  Some 
Shites, Some Sunnis, Some Baaths, and some Kurds.  These are the different 
factions and unless they are all represented, they will keep the civil war 
going.  But like the Sandinistas were the wrong party in the Iran-Contra set 
up. I believe that this Shite party is the wrong hands to put Iraqi future in.  
So how about beginning talks along these lines.  Have we not learned from 
VietNam, and also Israel and the Palestinians?
   
  the internet public says Troops out now!  We have spent more money than we 
have, and it is time to pull in the purse strings.
  Our country is in debt to so many other nations, no wonder this 
administration is selling off America!! It is a disgrace!!
   
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[cia-drugs] Senator Who Suffered Stroke Supported Anthrax Investigation

[Milo]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gritzle70
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 12:47 AM
 Subject: Fwd: Senator Who Suffered Stroke Supported Anthrax Investigation

Well, I guess we know now why he suffered the stroke and who gave him the
stroke

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Senator Who Suffered Stroke Supported Anthrax Investigation
Argus Leader | December 13, 2006

Kevin Dobbs
Note: The following report was published before it was announced today that
Senator Johnson had suffered a stroke.
A cadre of U.S. lawmakers fired off a letter to Attorney General Alberto
Gonzales pleading for new information on the five-years-and-running
investigation into the 2001 anthrax scare that shocked South Dakota when
then-Sen. Tom Daschle's office was caught up in the attacks.
The bipartisan letter, signed by 33 members of Congress this week, extends
an effort by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Rush Holt, D-N.J., to
persuade the FBI to release an update on the case.
"In one of the most important terrorism investigations ever undertaken by
the FBI, it is unbelievable to me that members of Congress, some who were
targets of the anthrax attacks, haven't been briefed for years," Grassley
said.
The FBI, citing concern about information in the unsolved case being leaked
to the public, has refused lawmakers' requests.
Grassley and the other lawmakers said in the letter that leaked information
is a valid concern, but they maintained it does not justify keeping
lawmakers in the dark. They said they need the information to perform their
required oversight of the FBI's performance.
Congress "cannot be cut-off from detailed information about the conduct of
one of the largest investigations in FBI history," the lawmakers wrote to
Gonzales. "That information is vital in order to fulfill its Constitutional
responsibility to conduct oversight of the Executive Branch."
South Dakota's congressional delegation did not sign the letter, but Sens.
Tim Johnson and John Thune said they support their colleagues' request.
"After five years, the FBI should be able to pass on some information to
Congress on the progress they have made in finding the terrorists
responsible for this attack," Johnson said Tuesday. "This kind of
bi-partisan demand for checks and balances should not be ignored, and will
hopefully move the investigation into this case forward."
The attacks - linked to the deaths of five people in the wake of the Sept.
11, 2001, terror attacks on Washington and New York - brought terrorism to
the door of South Dakotans when, in October 2001, anthrax arrived in a
sealed envelope at Daschle's office in the Hart Building in Washington. It
came with a message that said "you die now."
Daschle said earlier this year the FBI had denied several of his requests to
be briefed on the status of the investigations.
In his recent book, "Like No Other Time," Daschle said he felt helpless in
the immediate weeks after the anthrax attacks, but he also wrote that he had
"made peace of mind with this kind of threat."
FBI agents continue to work the case, and lawmakers say it is time they are
brought into the fold to assess whether federal investigators are doing
their jobs effectively.
"While I understand the need for caution given the ongoing criminal
investigation, Congress has the right to conduct oversight and the FBI
should be more forthcoming with this case," Thune said Tuesday.
Wire services contributed to this report.

http://batr.net/neoconwatch/ 

9/11 Truth: False Flags & Low Intensity Operations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_84-PT-REc4


People Get Ready

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKqtdNxOs00&mode=related&search
 =


Michel Chossudovsky - The Truth Behind 911

http://www.ourmedia.org/node/139137

Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists

[RoadsEnd]

9-11 ain't a religion it is a crime, personally, I take my friend  
Daniel Hopsicker, at his word, and trust his reporting. Each person  
hopefully makes his own and is held or —as we see too often — not  
held to those convictions later. Mostly a tempest in a teapot.  
Daniel's reportage and abilities to follow and find evidentiary vitae  
is most definitely on record.


Personally, I see,

controlled demolition,

cover-story,

 long-term planning  that went before "Al Qaeda" was even there.  
Just as when one looks at all the ducks in the JFK assassination, one  
finds ducks making their initial movements years before JFK's  
election, it's a long-time op. 9-11 also, as happens with big ops are  
or at least attempted to be  "used/hijacked"  by a different parties  
-- to redirect action, for revenge, steal money , murder, etc.


patsies

Official cover-up

The same forces did both acts and the acts are part of occult planning.

Peace,
K


many motives

obscene opportunity

many priors


On Dec 16, 2006, at 2:32 PM, mark urban wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVzQfa_V1jw



--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sometime folks see the dialectic, sometimes they step right into it.
>
> Peace,
> K
>
> On Dec 16, 2006, at 5:55 AM, mark urban wrote:
>
> > If daniel does not see that WTC7 was controlled demolition,  
then he

> > can go f##k himself.
> >
> > WTC1 and 2 collapsed faster than the rate at which a free falling
> > object would cover the same distance. You cannot get that result
> > without a lot of help; that help cannot be in the form of low
> > temperature fires that were minimal at best. Evidence of
> > thermate/thermite melting on critical structural members can be
> > viewed in films of the buildings prior to the collapse; these  
films

> > are freely available on Youtube, Google video and Scholars for 911
> > Truth.
> >
> > Nobody other than disinfo artists are interested in outlandish
> > theories that invite ridicule and muddy the waters. However, the
> > physics of what happened on 911 must conform to scientific laws  
that
> > do not change. The energy of the planes hitting the towers plus  
the

> > release of the potential energy associated with the mass of the
> > towers collapsing from nearly a quarter of a mile in altitude  
is not

> > consistent with the effects witnessed that day.
> >
> > If flying planes into buildings were an efficient way to produce
> > an "in the footprint" collapse of office buildings, then  
controlled
> > demolition companies the world over would be snapping up  
retired jet
> > planes from airline graveyards and refitting them instead of  
spending

> > all that time and money on demo teams, det cord, timers and shaped
> > charge explosives.
> >
> > In any event, Daniel has been investigating Atta and his intel/ 
drug

> > smuggling buddies. What the hell does he know about controlled
> > demolition and the engineering problems associated with it.
> >
> > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis"
> > thehatefulnerd@ wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/12/hopsicker-on-controlled-
> >>
> > demolition.html
> >
> >> Friday, December 15, 2006
> >> Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists
> >> In a couple of previous posts, in the comments section, I once  
more

> >>
> > confronted the ne'er-say-die advocates of the "controlled  
demolition"

> > theory of the World Trade Center disaster. I make no secret of my
> > hostility toward such theorists. If you're new here, turn to the
> > third column and scroll down to the little cartoon featuring my  
dog;

> > those two panels should explain my stance. (But please understand
> > that, in reality, the pooch eats like royalty, even on days  
when I'm

> > doing PB&J.)
> >
> >>
> >> Daniel Hopsicker -- who, for some years now, has done the best
> >>
> > investigative work on 9/11-related issues -- sent me a letter
> > containing his own response to the CD proponents. With his
> > permission, I will here reprint his words. A word of warning:  
If you
> > think I have a fearsome snarl, wait 'til you see this guy's  
fangs...!

> >
> >>
> >> I can understand his anger, since he has devoted his energies  
to an

> >>
> > area of investigation where bad theories, bad science, and some
> > outright lies threaten to overwhelm good research.
> >
> >>
> >> Daniel's words will come after the jump. (He asked me to edit,  
not

> >>
> > knowing that I'm a notoriously heavy editor.)
> >
> >>
> >> (To read the rest, click "Permalink" below)
> >>
> >> I recently got to witness first-hand why one researcher suggested
> >>
> > the 9/11 "Truth Movement" might more accurately be called the 9/11
> > UFO Cult, due to the presence of an absurdly-large contingent of
> > people with truly bizarre belief systems.
> >
> >>
> >> One such individual, in an email bristling with hostility,
> >>
> > recently demanded I admit that explosives had been place

[cia-drugs] Fwd: PROMIS Was Peanuts -- With the Bush "Octopus" Watching, No Sparrow Falls ...

[RoadsEnd]

Begin forwarded message:


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: December 16, 2006 4:02:58 PM PST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: PROMIS Was Peanuts -- With the Bush "Octopus" Watching, No  
Sparrow Falls ...



http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/

December 15-17, 2006

SCARAMELLA -- LOBBYIST FOR "BIG BROTHER"

The reported links between Alexander Litvinenko's Italian  
interlocutor Mario Scaramella and at least one former official of  
the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) Office of Criminal  
Enforcement's Center for Strategic Environmental Enforcement raise  
some troubling issues, according to an EPA insider.


A top EPA official attended, along with Scaramella and former EPA  
criminal enforcement branch legal counsel Michael Penders, the Nov.  
15 and 16, 2000 conference in New York City on "Combating  
International Eco-Crime in a Global Economy. The official  
represented the EPA's Office of Criminal Enforcement's Center for  
Strategic Environmental Enforcement. That office has been described  
by an EPA insider as consisting of "cover up artists."


The insider further stated the EPA criminal investigative branch  
"has access to NASA skyviewing . . .  geographical information  
system (GIS), they know where every ounce of [radioactive material]  
is throughout the world -- and they can get hold of it."


The insider said it would not surprise him in the very least that  
"the [Polonium] 210 came from people inside this group, loyal to  
Bush and company," and that previous criminal investigations coming  
from outside the EPA "thwarted some of their past misdeeds."


The EPA enforcement center's data import/export database system has  
the capability to "identify suspect shipments," according to the  
EPA. A number of other EPA officials, including those involved in  
international issues, attended the New York conference.


Scaramella's Environmental Crime Prevention Program, falsely billed  
as a European counterpart to the EPA's Center for Strategic  
Environmental Enforcement, also claims a similar role: "aerial  
surveillance and the remote sensing capabilities of satellites to  
detect 'environmental crimes' materials smuggling"> in Eastern and Southern Europe and 'eco- 
terrorism' in South America  and Central  
Africa ."


The [corruption] of agencies in the United States and Europe that  
are responsible for monitoring the location and transport of  
nuclear materials represents an immense danger to public safety  
around the world.


Equally interesting is that Scaramella once offered FS (the Italian  
Railway) an estimated 17 million euro video surveillance system for  
free. The system would have covered every train station and other  
railway facility in Italy. Scaramella's deal was that he would  
provide the system for free in exchange for the exclusive use of  
the video images captured by the system.




Scaramella offered Italian Railways free 17 million euro video  
surveillance system in return for exclusive use of captured images.

[cia-drugs] is this atta's voice?

[mark urban]

can we get amanda keller to verify it?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/nation/061704-12s.htm

[cia-drugs] Fwd: No National Sovereignty, No International Law, under "Emperor" George Bush

[RoadsEnd]

Begin forwarded message:


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: December 16, 2006 4:16:11 PM PST
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No National Sovereignty, No International Law, under  
"Emperor" George Bush



Testimony Helps Detail CIA's Post-9/11 Reach
Europeans Told of Plans for Abductions
By Craig Whitlock
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, December 16, 2006; A01


MILAN -- A few days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the CIA  
station chief in Rome paid a visit to the head of Italy's military  
intelligence agency, Adm. Gianfranco Battelli, to float a proposal:  
Would the Italian secret services help the CIA kidnap terrorism  
suspects and fly them out of the country?


The CIA man did not identify which targets he had in mind but was  
"expressly referring to the possibility of picking up a suspected  
terrorist in Italy, bringing him to an airport and sending him from  
there to a foreign country," Battelli, now retired, recalled in a  
deposition.


This initial secret contact and others that followed, disclosed in  
newly released documents, show the speed and breadth with which the  
CIA applied in post-9/11 Europe a tactic it had long reserved for  
the Third World -- "extraordinary rendition," the extrajudicial  
abduction of Islamic radicals overseas for interrogation in  
friendly countries.


A year after the first contact, the CIA officer held another  
meeting with his Italian counterparts, this time sharing a list of  
more than 10 "dangerous people" the agency was tracking in Italy,  
Belgium, Austria and the Netherlands, according to a deposition  
from Gen. Gustavo Pignero, another high-ranking Italian military  
intelligence official. "It was clear that this was an aggressive  
search project, that their willingness to employ illicit means was  
clear," Pignero said, adding that the list was later destroyed and  
he could not recall the names.


U.S. spies drew up suspect lists with the help of European  
intelligence agencies and chased some of the men around the globe  
before putting a brake on the operations in early 2004, about a  
year after the invasion of Iraq, according to documents unearthed  
in criminal investigations, lawsuits and parliamentary inquiries.


All told, the U.S. agency took part in the seizure of at least 10  
European citizens or legal immigrants, some of them from countries  
not cited in that list of "dangerous people" received by the  
Italian spies. Four renditions occurred on European soil: in  
Sweden, Macedonia and Italy. Six operations targeted people who  
were traveling abroad or who had been captured in Pakistan;  
European intelligence agencies provided direct assistance to the  
CIA in at least five of those cases, records show.


Each prisoner was then secretly handed over to intelligence  
services in the Middle East or Africa with histories of human  
rights abuses. Some remain imprisoned in those countries; others  
have been taken to the U.S. naval prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.  
One man was later released after being taken from the Balkans to  
Afghanistan, the victim of an apparent case of mistaken identity.


In the early stages, the CIA had prepared even more ambitious  
plans, according to the depositions from the Italian intelligence  
officials, who testified last summer during a criminal  
investigation into a CIA-sponsored kidnapping of a radical Islamic  
cleric in Milan.


For example, Pignero said in his deposition that the CIA's Rome  
station chief had offered in 2002 to abduct a fugitive leader of  
the Red Brigades -- a Marxist network blamed for dozens of  
assassinations in Italy -- who had found refuge in South America.  
"The Americans would capture him and turn him over to us, and we in  
return would have to 'extradite' him to Italy without any legal  
proceedings," Pignero said.


In exchange, the CIA wanted help in abducting Islamic radicals  
living in the Italian cities of Turin, Vercelli and Naples, Pignero  
said. Italian intelligence officials rejected the offer, he added,  
because it was "contrary to international laws."


Reports of clandestine CIA operations have fueled deep public anger  
in Europe, where many people regard renditions as a blatant  
violation of national sovereignty and international law. Since last  
year, prosecutors have opened four separate criminal investigations  
into CIA activities in Europe. A dozen countries have conducted  
legislative inquiries into whether local spy agencies were involved.


Last month, a European Parliament committee investigating CIA  
operations in Europe condemned the practice of rendition "as an  
illegal and systematic instrument used by the United States" and  
called it "counterproductive in the fight against terrorism."


"I think that after the 11th of September, the CIA thought that all  
the ways useful to capture their enemies, the alleged terrorists,  
were now possible," Giovanni C

[cia-drugs] Re: Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists

[mark urban]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVzQfa_V1jw





--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sometime folks see the dialectic, sometimes they step right into it.
>
> Peace,
> K
>
> On Dec 16, 2006, at 5:55 AM, mark urban wrote:
>
> > If daniel does not see that WTC7 was controlled demolition, then he
> > can go f##k himself.
> >
> > WTC1 and 2 collapsed faster than the rate at which a free falling
> > object would cover the same distance. You cannot get that result
> > without a lot of help; that help cannot be in the form of low
> > temperature fires that were minimal at best. Evidence of
> > thermate/thermite melting on critical structural members can be
> > viewed in films of the buildings prior to the collapse; these films
> > are freely available on Youtube, Google video and Scholars for 911
> > Truth.
> >
> > Nobody other than disinfo artists are interested in outlandish
> > theories that invite ridicule and muddy the waters. However, the
> > physics of what happened on 911 must conform to scientific laws that
> > do not change. The energy of the planes hitting the towers plus the
> > release of the potential energy associated with the mass of the
> > towers collapsing from nearly a quarter of a mile in altitude is not
> > consistent with the effects witnessed that day.
> >
> > If flying planes into buildings were an efficient way to produce
> > an "in the footprint" collapse of office buildings, then controlled
> > demolition companies the world over would be snapping up retired jet
> > planes from airline graveyards and refitting them instead of
spending
> > all that time and money on demo teams, det cord, timers and shaped
> > charge explosives.
> >
> > In any event, Daniel has been investigating Atta and his intel/drug
> > smuggling buddies. What the hell does he know about controlled
> > demolition and the engineering problems associated with it.
> >
> > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis"
> > thehatefulnerd@ wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/12/hopsicker-on-controlled-
> >>
> > demolition.html
> >
> >> Friday, December 15, 2006
> >> Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists
> >> In a couple of previous posts, in the comments section, I once more
> >>
> > confronted the ne'er-say-die advocates of the "controlled
demolition"
> > theory of the World Trade Center disaster. I make no secret of my
> > hostility toward such theorists. If you're new here, turn to the
> > third column and scroll down to the little cartoon featuring my dog;
> > those two panels should explain my stance. (But please understand
> > that, in reality, the pooch eats like royalty, even on days when I'm
> > doing PB&J.)
> >
> >>
> >> Daniel Hopsicker -- who, for some years now, has done the best
> >>
> > investigative work on 9/11-related issues -- sent me a letter
> > containing his own response to the CD proponents. With his
> > permission, I will here reprint his words. A word of warning: If you
> > think I have a fearsome snarl, wait 'til you see this guy's
fangs...!
> >
> >>
> >> I can understand his anger, since he has devoted his energies to an
> >>
> > area of investigation where bad theories, bad science, and some
> > outright lies threaten to overwhelm good research.
> >
> >>
> >> Daniel's words will come after the jump. (He asked me to edit, not
> >>
> > knowing that I'm a notoriously heavy editor.)
> >
> >>
> >> (To read the rest, click "Permalink" below)
> >>
> >> I recently got to witness first-hand why one researcher suggested
> >>
> > the 9/11 "Truth Movement" might more accurately be called the 9/11
> > UFO Cult, due to the presence of an absurdly-large contingent of
> > people with truly bizarre belief systems.
> >
> >>
> >> One such individual, in an email bristling with hostility,
> >>
> > recently demanded I admit that explosives had been placed in the
> > World Trade Center before the attack. Otherwise, I must perforce
> > immediately explain to him how terrorists could possibly have made
> > WTC Building 7 fall.
> >
> >>
> >> I'm sure you've met the same fate. And I'm afraid I was rather,
> >>
> > um, intemperate in the use of capital letters in my response:
> >
> >> I UNCOVER MORE FACTS -- NOT OPINIONS OR SPECULATION -- ABOUT
> >>
> > 9/11 EVERY MONTH THAN THE ENTIRE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT HAS DURING THE
> > ENTIRE COURSE OF ITS KHASHOGGI-FUNDED HISTORY.
> >
> >>
> >> You say they knew the attack was coming and they didn't do a
> >>
> > thing to stop it. If you believe that, FIND THE FUCKING EVIDENCE AND
> > I'LL BE THE FIRST TO CONGRATULATE YOU. It's NOT altogether
> > inconceivable that you're right, and that they let it happen.
> >
> >>
> >> But the MOST that can be said about that bit of speculation is
> >>
> > that it remains to be seen. And that is a far cry from you 9/11
truth
> > goons, who uniformly find it difficult to conceive of 19 Arab men
> > hating us enough to blow 

[cia-drugs] Re: Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists

[mark urban]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcUQg3DadaA&mode=related&search
 =
--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sometime folks see the dialectic, sometimes they step right into it.
>
> Peace,
> K
>
> On Dec 16, 2006, at 5:55 AM, mark urban wrote:
>
> > If daniel does not see that WTC7 was controlled demolition, then he
> > can go f##k himself.
> >
> > WTC1 and 2 collapsed faster than the rate at which a free falling
> > object would cover the same distance. You cannot get that result
> > without a lot of help; that help cannot be in the form of low
> > temperature fires that were minimal at best. Evidence of
> > thermate/thermite melting on critical structural members can be
> > viewed in films of the buildings prior to the collapse; these films
> > are freely available on Youtube, Google video and Scholars for 911
> > Truth.
> >
> > Nobody other than disinfo artists are interested in outlandish
> > theories that invite ridicule and muddy the waters. However, the
> > physics of what happened on 911 must conform to scientific laws that
> > do not change. The energy of the planes hitting the towers plus the
> > release of the potential energy associated with the mass of the
> > towers collapsing from nearly a quarter of a mile in altitude is not
> > consistent with the effects witnessed that day.
> >
> > If flying planes into buildings were an efficient way to produce
> > an "in the footprint" collapse of office buildings, then controlled
> > demolition companies the world over would be snapping up retired jet
> > planes from airline graveyards and refitting them instead of
spending
> > all that time and money on demo teams, det cord, timers and shaped
> > charge explosives.
> >
> > In any event, Daniel has been investigating Atta and his intel/drug
> > smuggling buddies. What the hell does he know about controlled
> > demolition and the engineering problems associated with it.
> >
> > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis"
> > thehatefulnerd@ wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/12/hopsicker-on-controlled-
> >>
> > demolition.html
> >
> >> Friday, December 15, 2006
> >> Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists
> >> In a couple of previous posts, in the comments section, I once more
> >>
> > confronted the ne'er-say-die advocates of the "controlled
demolition"
> > theory of the World Trade Center disaster. I make no secret of my
> > hostility toward such theorists. If you're new here, turn to the
> > third column and scroll down to the little cartoon featuring my dog;
> > those two panels should explain my stance. (But please understand
> > that, in reality, the pooch eats like royalty, even on days when I'm
> > doing PB&J.)
> >
> >>
> >> Daniel Hopsicker -- who, for some years now, has done the best
> >>
> > investigative work on 9/11-related issues -- sent me a letter
> > containing his own response to the CD proponents. With his
> > permission, I will here reprint his words. A word of warning: If you
> > think I have a fearsome snarl, wait 'til you see this guy's
fangs...!
> >
> >>
> >> I can understand his anger, since he has devoted his energies to an
> >>
> > area of investigation where bad theories, bad science, and some
> > outright lies threaten to overwhelm good research.
> >
> >>
> >> Daniel's words will come after the jump. (He asked me to edit, not
> >>
> > knowing that I'm a notoriously heavy editor.)
> >
> >>
> >> (To read the rest, click "Permalink" below)
> >>
> >> I recently got to witness first-hand why one researcher suggested
> >>
> > the 9/11 "Truth Movement" might more accurately be called the 9/11
> > UFO Cult, due to the presence of an absurdly-large contingent of
> > people with truly bizarre belief systems.
> >
> >>
> >> One such individual, in an email bristling with hostility,
> >>
> > recently demanded I admit that explosives had been placed in the
> > World Trade Center before the attack. Otherwise, I must perforce
> > immediately explain to him how terrorists could possibly have made
> > WTC Building 7 fall.
> >
> >>
> >> I'm sure you've met the same fate. And I'm afraid I was rather,
> >>
> > um, intemperate in the use of capital letters in my response:
> >
> >> I UNCOVER MORE FACTS -- NOT OPINIONS OR SPECULATION -- ABOUT
> >>
> > 9/11 EVERY MONTH THAN THE ENTIRE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT HAS DURING THE
> > ENTIRE COURSE OF ITS KHASHOGGI-FUNDED HISTORY.
> >
> >>
> >> You say they knew the attack was coming and they didn't do a
> >>
> > thing to stop it. If you believe that, FIND THE FUCKING EVIDENCE AND
> > I'LL BE THE FIRST TO CONGRATULATE YOU. It's NOT altogether
> > inconceivable that you're right, and that they let it happen.
> >
> >>
> >> But the MOST that can be said about that bit of speculation is
> >>
> > that it remains to be seen. And that is a far cry from you 9/11
truth
> > goons, who uniformly find it difficult to conceive of 19 A

[cia-drugs] Treason on the Installment Plan

[Milo]

North American Union




  North American Union
  Treason on the Installment Plan

  http://www.channelingreality.com/NAU/NAU_Main.htm



  What is the North American Union?   Look at the European Union and
substitute "North American" for European.  Substitute the names of European
countries for the states of the United States plus the countries of the
Americas.   We are about a decade behind the European Union in consolidating
power in the unelected, undemocratic supranational governing body.  We're
still in the stage of integrating economies through 'free trade', but as
soon as that is done, they will name this monster, the North American Union.

  In the history of the European Union (link above), it states:

A key activity of the EU is the establishment and administration of
a common single market, consisting of a customs union, a single currency
(adopted by 12 of the 25 member states), a Common Agricultural Policy and a
Common Fisheries Policy. On 29 October 2004, European heads of government
signed a Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe, which is currently
awaiting ratification by individual member states.

  On November 29, 1994, Congressman Bill Richardson placed a speech
titled "Free Trade for the Americas: Next Steps" by Ambassador Abelardo L.
Valdez into the Congressional Record.  In the speech, Valdez says the
following:

...our hemispheric neighborhood and the world have changed
dramatically, and the small seed planted at Punta del Este is in the process
of blossoming into a hemispheric free trade area, and, I predict, into a
future Common Market of the Americas. The North American Free Trade
Agreement (`NAFTA') has set the stage for achieving free trade throughout
the Americas and strengthening the economic and political relations between
the United States, Canada, Latin America and the Caribbean.

  The North American Union is the integration of the United States,
Canada and Mexico initially. The integration of our economies, harmonization
of laws, open borders and national treatment de facto means the
disintegration of these countries as sovereign nations. Ultimately it will
include all of the countries on the North American Continent.

  The concept of it is exactly the same as the European Union.  In
Europe it began as the Common Market.  Using the ploy of 'free trade' and
the promise of increased prosperity, the people of Europe were persuaded to
give up economic sovereignty to a higher level authority called the European
Union.  Precisely the same thing is being done to the United States except
that our spineless politicians and mainstream media are too cowardly to
broach the subject in a straightforward manner.  Obviously the integration
of the United States into a larger regional governance structure is treason.
It subverts the U.S. Constitution and it places the American people under
the authority of an unelected, undemocratic governing structure that is
hidden from the view of the people.

  NAFTA Preamble



  Security & Prosperity Partnership


  Because the idea that our own government officials would commit
national suicide is so repugnant and unthinkable, it is useful at this point
to look at statements from official government websites so that we can be
assured that it is real and not just some wild imaginings of 'conspiracy
theorists'.

  Caution: Since the 1980's, language has been used to mask the truth of
what is being discussed.  The use of the word 'partnership' is case in
point.  It sounds friendly and nice - neighborly.  You have to peel off the
mask of language and use the real words the words that accurately describe
what they are talking about.  "Partnership" means integration - integration
of law and the functions of our governments - which by definition means the
disintegration of national sovereignty.


  George Bush and Vincente Fox launch the U.S.-Mexico Partnership for
Prosperity   Joint Statement - September 6, 2001More - scroll down for
dates Sept 4th thru Sept 7th.  State Dept: Partnership for Prosperity.

  Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America

  Joint Statement - North American Leaders Unveil 'Partnership'

  North American Partnership Offers Agenda of Prosperity

  North American Partnership Offers Agenda of Security

  SPP.Gov  - Partnership in Treason Website

  Canada - Partnership for Prosperity

  Trade and Integration of the Americas

  U.S. State Department - Issues for the 107th Congress (2001)

"President Fox has been urging an expanded European Union-like
conception of NAFTA"


  Jerome Corsi filed a Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) request for
documents relating to the Security & Prosperity Partnership.  He received
over 1,000 documents that can be viewed HERE.

  Timeline
  Inter-American Agreements, Conventions and 

[cia-drugs] Iraq Central Bank denies reducing the rate of the dollar against the iraqi dinar

[Vigilius Haufniensis]

http://www.edinarfinancial.net/news/?quer=&nm=&ny=&nn=464
Iraq Central Bank denies reducing the rate of the dollar against the iraqi dinar
December 16, 2006

Dr. Madhhar Mohammad Saleh, Head of Research and Statistics in the Central Bank 
Iraq, said in a meeting with reporters and Iraqi economists last Sunday: that 
the issue of determining the exchange rate of the dollar against the Iraqi 
dinar is not possible, now, for two reasons: first, the reserve capacity of the 
bank is not absolute, and second is the factor of the price increase. 


He added: observing the general trends point to higher prices in return for a 
lack of improvement, which makes the dollar reduction to this value impossible 
at the present time, in addition to the limited financial capabilities of the 
Bank. 


He explained: that the significant decline in the dollar, directly after the 
fall of the previous regime, was caused by the flow of billions of dollars to 
Iraq and distributing them among employees as well as opening exchange and 
restrictions. He pointed out: that at the present time and because of the 
deterioration of security and the high rate of inflation, the devaluation of 
the dollar is not expected at all.(Source)ALSabah

[cia-drugs] video: Economic Hit Men John Perkins

[Vigilius Haufniensis]

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2806610
Economic Hit Men John Perkins
War - 12/16/06 07:17 AM, 1 views

NSA recruits Perkins to fudge numbers on massive IMF world bank development 
projects, never meaning to have them repaid. Control the world through 
dictators and now debt.

Re: [cia-drugs] Re: Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists

[RoadsEnd]

Sometime folks see the dialectic, sometimes they step right into it.

Peace,
K

On Dec 16, 2006, at 5:55 AM, mark urban wrote:

> If daniel does not see that WTC7 was controlled demolition, then he
> can go f##k himself.
>
> WTC1 and 2 collapsed faster than the rate at which a free falling
> object would cover the same distance. You cannot get that result
> without a lot of help; that help cannot be in the form of low
> temperature fires that were minimal at best. Evidence of
> thermate/thermite melting on critical structural members can be
> viewed in films of the buildings prior to the collapse; these films
> are freely available on Youtube, Google video and Scholars for 911
> Truth.
>
> Nobody other than disinfo artists are interested in outlandish
> theories that invite ridicule and muddy the waters. However, the
> physics of what happened on 911 must conform to scientific laws that
> do not change. The energy of the planes hitting the towers plus the
> release of the potential energy associated with the mass of the
> towers collapsing from nearly a quarter of a mile in altitude is not
> consistent with the effects witnessed that day.
>
> If flying planes into buildings were an efficient way to produce
> an "in the footprint" collapse of office buildings, then controlled
> demolition companies the world over would be snapping up retired jet
> planes from airline graveyards and refitting them instead of spending
> all that time and money on demo teams, det cord, timers and shaped
> charge explosives.
>
> In any event, Daniel has been investigating Atta and his intel/drug
> smuggling buddies. What the hell does he know about controlled
> demolition and the engineering problems associated with it.
>
>  --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/12/hopsicker-on-controlled-
>>
> demolition.html
>
>> Friday, December 15, 2006
>> Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists
>> In a couple of previous posts, in the comments section, I once more
>>
> confronted the ne'er-say-die advocates of the "controlled demolition"
> theory of the World Trade Center disaster. I make no secret of my
> hostility toward such theorists. If you're new here, turn to the
> third column and scroll down to the little cartoon featuring my dog;
> those two panels should explain my stance. (But please understand
> that, in reality, the pooch eats like royalty, even on days when I'm
> doing PB&J.)
>
>>
>> Daniel Hopsicker -- who, for some years now, has done the best
>>
> investigative work on 9/11-related issues -- sent me a letter
> containing his own response to the CD proponents. With his
> permission, I will here reprint his words. A word of warning: If you
> think I have a fearsome snarl, wait 'til you see this guy's fangs...!
>
>>
>> I can understand his anger, since he has devoted his energies to an
>>
> area of investigation where bad theories, bad science, and some
> outright lies threaten to overwhelm good research.
>
>>
>> Daniel's words will come after the jump. (He asked me to edit, not
>>
> knowing that I'm a notoriously heavy editor.)
>
>>
>> (To read the rest, click "Permalink" below)
>>
>>   I recently got to witness first-hand why one researcher suggested
>>
> the 9/11 "Truth Movement" might more accurately be called the 9/11
> UFO Cult, due to the presence of an absurdly-large contingent of
> people with truly bizarre belief systems.
>
>>
>>   One such individual, in an email bristling with hostility,
>>
> recently demanded I admit that explosives had been placed in the
> World Trade Center before the attack. Otherwise, I must perforce
> immediately explain to him how terrorists could possibly have made
> WTC Building 7 fall.
>
>>
>>   I'm sure you've met the same fate. And I'm afraid I was rather,
>>
> um, intemperate in the use of capital letters in my response:
>
>> I UNCOVER MORE FACTS -- NOT OPINIONS OR SPECULATION -- ABOUT
>>
> 9/11 EVERY MONTH THAN THE ENTIRE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT HAS DURING THE
> ENTIRE COURSE OF ITS KHASHOGGI-FUNDED HISTORY.
>
>>
>> You say they knew the attack was coming and they didn't do a
>>
> thing to stop it. If you believe that, FIND THE FUCKING EVIDENCE AND
> I'LL BE THE FIRST TO CONGRATULATE YOU. It's NOT altogether
> inconceivable that you're right, and that they let it happen.
>
>>
>> But the MOST that can be said about that bit of speculation is
>>
> that it remains to be seen. And that is a far cry from you 9/11 truth
> goons, who uniformly find it difficult to conceive of 19 Arab men
> hating us enough to blow themselves up. If there weren't hundreds, no
> THOUSANDS of Arab suicide bombers, there might be a rationale for
> questioning the motives of the 19 hijackers. But there isn't.
>
>>
>> The reason the govt is covering up, based on evidence I
>>
> uncovered, and not on bullshit speculation, is that during the SAME
> month that Atta arrived to attend his flight school, 

[cia-drugs] Fwd: OPEC Abandons U.S. Dollar

[Kris Millegan]

Begin forwarded message:


From: "MoneyNews.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: December 16, 2006 3:18:19 PM PST
To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: OPEC Abandons U.S. Dollar
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Headlines (Scroll down for complete stories):
1. OPEC Abandons U.S. Dollar
2. Greenspan: More Dollar Weakness Ahead
3. Official: OPEC Split Over Further Oil Cuts
4. Rogers Still Stocking Up on Commodities





1. OPEC Abandons U.S. Dollar

Oil-producing countries have reduced their dollar holdings to the  
lowest level in two years and shifted oil income into other  
currencies, according to the Bank for International Settlements.


Members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and  
Russia reduced their dollar holdings from 67 percent in the first  
quarter to 65 percent in the second quarter.


At the same time, they increased their holdings of euros from 20  
percent to 22 percent, the BIS said. They also boosted holdings of  
the yen and British pound.


Eighteen months ago, the oil-producing countries’ exposure to the  
dollar was above 70 percent.


"The revelation in the latest BIS quarterly review . . . confirms  
market speculation about a move out of dollars and could put new  
pressure on the ailing U.S. currency," the Financial Times reports.


The BIS, the central bank for the developed world’s central banks,  
disclosed that OPEC’s dollar deposits fell by $5.3 billion, while  
euro and yen-denominated deposits rose $2.8 billion and $3.8  
billion, respectively.


The last time oil-exporting countries reduced their exposure to the  
dollar — in late 2003 — it pushed the euro to an all-time high  
against the dollar.


The BIS noted: "While the data are not comprehensive, they do  
appear to indicate a modest shift over the quarter in the U.S.  
dollar share of reporting banks’ liabilities to oil exporting  
countries."


According to the Times, "the dollar has suffered weakness because  
of concerns about global imbalances and the future course of the  
Federal Reserve’s interest rate policy."


Editor's Note:
Warren Buffett is betting billions the dollar will crash in 2007.



2. Greenspan: More Dollar Weakness Ahead

The U.S. dollar will stay weak for the next few years, according to  
former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan. Greenspan blames  
the U.S. balance of payments deficit for the prolonged frailty of  
the dollar.


“I expect that the dollar will continue to drift downwards until  
there will be a change in the U.S. balance of payments,” remarked  
Greenspan, who spoke via video-link to a business conference in Tel  
Aviv.


“There has been some evidence that Organization of Petroleum  
Exporting Countries nations are beginning to switch their reserves  
out of dollars and into euro and yen,” continued Greenspan.


MoneyNews told readers yesterday that the Bank for International  
Settlements, which is known as the “central banks’ central bank,”  
reported a decline in U.S. dollar reserves in OPEC countries as  
well as oil exporter Russia.


“It is imprudent to hold everything in one currency,” advised  
Greenspan, who sounded like he was talking down the dollar. In  
fact, Greenspan added that at some point the dollar would decline  
in value.


"That [a falling dollar] will be the experience of the next few  
years," Greenspan said.


Editor's Note:
Can Ben Bernanke avoid the coming currency crisis?



3. Official: OPEC Split Over Further Oil Cuts

A narrow majority of OPEC members want to cut the group's oil  
output further when they meet in Abuja on Thursday, a top OPEC  
official said on Monday.


Hasan Qabazard, OPEC's director of research, said his view was OPEC  
should wait to judge the full impact of its existing 1.2 million  
barrels per day reduction before cutting again.


Asked how many countries backed supply curbs, he told Reuters in an  
interview: "I put it at 60/40."


"I see mixed signals. Some ministers believe there should be cuts  
but some other ministers believe the market is balanced."


He listed Saudi Arabia, Algeria, the UAE and Qatar among those  
countries favoring supply curbs of at least 500,000 barrels per  
day. At an emergency meeting in October, OPEC decided to remove 1.2  
million bpd from the market after a 25 percent drop in the oil  
price from its $78.40 mid-July peak. "I would prefer that we wait  
until January to see how our cuts in Doha take effect . . . prices  
have gone up a little bit."


He raised the possibility of price spikes during the northern  
hemisphere winter when demand peaks.


"You don't want to have the price go up drastically. That might be  
harmful for economies," he said.


Prices have rallied from a low of $54.88 on Nov. 17 for U.S. crude  
to more than $61 a barrel, above OPEC's undeclared price target of  
$60 a barrel — $55 for OPEC's basket of crude.


Sixty a Barrel Fair for All

Qabazard said a $60 a barrel price did not risk harming the world  
economy and enabled OP

[cia-drugs] Treason Abounds ~ Gov't Cabal Plots North American Union

[norgesen]

 Treason Abounds ~ Gov't Cabal Plots North American Union (NAU) 


This research will reveal the betrayal of the American people by a 
government cabal who are bent on destroying our sovereignty in order to create 
a North American Union.  The miscreants include many who function at the 
highest levels in our government.  Many hold membership in the Council on 
Foreign Relations (CFR) and the Trilateral Commission and pursue a subversive 
agenda.  The cabal is deliberately circumventing the U.S. Congress and 'We the 
People' in blatant violation of our Constitution.  Collectively they are 
committing TREASON.  If you continue to believe that the illegal alien invasion 
is the biggest threat to America, you will never understand that there is 
something far more dangerous to our country called the "Security and Prosperity 
Partnership of North America" (SPP).  As bad as the illegal alien situation is 
. . . you will learn that this nation is in dire peril far exceeding the 
illegal alien problem.
continued >> 






 Illegal Alien Anarchy . . . Connecting the Dots!


There is no society that can indefinitely allow a relentless flood of 
illegal aliens to contravene its laws, violate its sovereign borders, overwhelm 
its infrastructures and social systems, degrade employment opportunities for 
its own people, while the massiveness of the illegal invasion constantly 
degrades America's way of life, culture and language. Why then is that being 
allow to happen here in America? You may think that the illegal alien protest 
rallies and school 'walkouts' were spontaneous eruptions, but think again. They 
were carefully orchestrated by many, many people, groups and organizations that 
receive megabucks from unions, corporations and foundations and MOST 
IMPORTANTLY tacitly endorsed by our government. Ask yourself why such insanity 
reigns?(1) 
continued >> 







Creating a North American Union for the One World Order 


The following will expose the United States Government's plot to sell out 
America by surreptitiously forming a North American Union. They are 
circumventing the US Congress and We The People, in violation of our 
Constitution. They are committing TREASON. If you keep believing that the 
illegal alien invasion is the problem you will never understand that the REAL 
problem is something called the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North 
America" the SPP for short. As bad as the illegal alien situation is . . . you 
will learn that this nation is in dire peril far exceeding the illegal alien 
problem. 
Educate yourself. Follow the links. Read what your own government has 
posted on government sites such as the White House and spp.gov. You will be 
aghast at the nearly complete destruction of our sovereignty, Bill of Rights, 
Constitution and laws of the Republic that has been engineered by President 
Bush and many, many members of the 'Shadow Government' who are dismantling this 
country in plain sight while America sleeps. 

To BEGIN to understand what is REALLY going on, read the Illegal Alien 
Anarchy . . . Connecting the Dots article by this author, found here. Make sure 
you follow the suggested links in the article in order to educate yourself 
further!! 

continued >> 






 Reference List: One World Order (OWO) Info Available on the Web


There are many in our government who are 'global elites' who believe in a 
One World Order (OWO) and who EMBRACE the tenets of the 'Communist Manifesto.' 
They have infiltrated our government at ALL levels. They are members of the 
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) who publicly announced last summer (2005) 
that they plan to eliminate our borders by 2010, thus eliminating our 
sovereignty and ignoring our Bill of Rights, our Constitution and planning an 
end to our laws and our Republic. 
These references are varied and many, but they will allow you to educate 
yourself. Once you have delved into this material you should be able to form an 
educated opinion as to their efficacy. You will be able to decide whether or 
not there exists a cabal of global elitist traitors running our government and 
just what they plan to do! The question will then be . . . how to defeat and 
remove them from governance. 

continued >> 

 

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/NAU_Articles.html

[cia-drugs] Farewell, Dense Prince: MAUREEN DOWD

[MA PA]

 
Farewell, Dense Prince: MAUREEN DOWD
  by MAUREEN DOWD: The New York Times 
Saturday Dec 16th, 2006 

  DOWD: The defense czar who rivals Robert McNamara for deadly incompetence has 
been on a victory lap in Baghdad, Mosul and Washington. 

THE COMPLETE ARTICLE AND MORE

  -->  OP-ED COLUMNIST 
Farewell, Dense Prince 
By MAUREEN DOWD 
Published: December 16, 2006 

The defense czar who rivals Robert McNamara for deadly incompetence has been on 
a victory lap in Baghdad, Mosul and Washington. 

Money quote: 

"James Baker ran after W. with a butterfly net for a while, but it is now clear 
that the inmates are still running the asylum." 

--MORE-- 
http://mparent-2.blogspot.com/2006/12/complete-article-new-york-times-op-ed.html
 



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[cia-drugs] Re: Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists

[mark urban]

If daniel does not see that WTC7 was controlled demolition, then he 
can go f##k himself.

WTC1 and 2 collapsed faster than the rate at which a free falling 
object would cover the same distance. You cannot get that result 
without a lot of help; that help cannot be in the form of low 
temperature fires that were minimal at best. Evidence of 
thermate/thermite melting on critical structural members can be 
viewed in films of the buildings prior to the collapse; these films 
are freely available on Youtube, Google video and Scholars for 911 
Truth.

Nobody other than disinfo artists are interested in outlandish 
theories that invite ridicule and muddy the waters. However, the 
physics of what happened on 911 must conform to scientific laws that 
do not change. The energy of the planes hitting the towers plus the 
release of the potential energy associated with the mass of the 
towers collapsing from nearly a quarter of a mile in altitude is not 
consistent with the effects witnessed that day. 

If flying planes into buildings were an efficient way to produce 
an "in the footprint" collapse of office buildings, then controlled 
demolition companies the world over would be snapping up retired jet 
planes from airline graveyards and refitting them instead of spending 
all that time and money on demo teams, det cord, timers and shaped 
charge explosives.

In any event, Daniel has been investigating Atta and his intel/drug 
smuggling buddies. What the hell does he know about controlled 
demolition and the engineering problems associated with it.

 --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/12/hopsicker-on-controlled-
demolition.html
> Friday, December 15, 2006
> Hopsicker on the "controlled demolition" theorists
> In a couple of previous posts, in the comments section, I once more 
confronted the ne'er-say-die advocates of the "controlled demolition" 
theory of the World Trade Center disaster. I make no secret of my 
hostility toward such theorists. If you're new here, turn to the 
third column and scroll down to the little cartoon featuring my dog; 
those two panels should explain my stance. (But please understand 
that, in reality, the pooch eats like royalty, even on days when I'm 
doing PB&J.)
> 
> Daniel Hopsicker -- who, for some years now, has done the best 
investigative work on 9/11-related issues -- sent me a letter 
containing his own response to the CD proponents. With his 
permission, I will here reprint his words. A word of warning: If you 
think I have a fearsome snarl, wait 'til you see this guy's fangs...!
> 
> I can understand his anger, since he has devoted his energies to an 
area of investigation where bad theories, bad science, and some 
outright lies threaten to overwhelm good research.
> 
> Daniel's words will come after the jump. (He asked me to edit, not 
knowing that I'm a notoriously heavy editor.)
> 
> (To read the rest, click "Permalink" below)
> 
>   I recently got to witness first-hand why one researcher suggested 
the 9/11 "Truth Movement" might more accurately be called the 9/11 
UFO Cult, due to the presence of an absurdly-large contingent of 
people with truly bizarre belief systems.
> 
>   One such individual, in an email bristling with hostility, 
recently demanded I admit that explosives had been placed in the 
World Trade Center before the attack. Otherwise, I must perforce 
immediately explain to him how terrorists could possibly have made 
WTC Building 7 fall.
> 
>   I'm sure you've met the same fate. And I'm afraid I was rather, 
um, intemperate in the use of capital letters in my response: 
> I UNCOVER MORE FACTS -- NOT OPINIONS OR SPECULATION -- ABOUT 
9/11 EVERY MONTH THAN THE ENTIRE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT HAS DURING THE 
ENTIRE COURSE OF ITS KHASHOGGI-FUNDED HISTORY.
> 
> You say they knew the attack was coming and they didn't do a 
thing to stop it. If you believe that, FIND THE FUCKING EVIDENCE AND 
I'LL BE THE FIRST TO CONGRATULATE YOU. It's NOT altogether 
inconceivable that you're right, and that they let it happen.
> 
> But the MOST that can be said about that bit of speculation is 
that it remains to be seen. And that is a far cry from you 9/11 truth 
goons, who uniformly find it difficult to conceive of 19 Arab men 
hating us enough to blow themselves up. If there weren't hundreds, no 
THOUSANDS of Arab suicide bombers, there might be a rationale for 
questioning the motives of the 19 hijackers. But there isn't.
> 
> The reason the govt is covering up, based on evidence I 
uncovered, and not on bullshit speculation, is that during the SAME 
month that Atta arrived to attend his flight school, the OWNER of the 
flight school had his Lear jet confiscated by DEA agents with 
submachine guns, who found 43 pounds of heroin on board. That's not 
speculation. That's fact. And it is to OBSCURE that fact that Adnan 
Khashoggi's minions started spreading money around to scum

[cia-drugs] Kissinger fingerprints all over suspicious pre-9/11 money movements (from sources in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York )

[Milo]

http://milfuegos.blogspot.com/2006/12/kissinger-fingerprints-all-over.html


Thursday, December 14, 2006


Kissinger fingerprints all over suspicious pre-9/11 money movements.


December 14, 2006 -- On Dec. 11, WMR reported the following:

"WMR has learned from one of its sources in New York that the Federal
Reserve Bank of New York actively covered up massive money laundering by the
Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation (HSBC) United Arab Emirate branch
through its branch in New York. The money laundering consisted of
questionable money movements through Dubai that involved individuals linked
to "Al Qaeda," including those connected to the 9/11 terrorist attacks on
the United States."

We have now learned that the Federal Reserve Bank in Chicago was made aware
of possible terrorist-related money movements in a Federal Reserve Board of
Governors letter sent to all Federal Reserve Banks a little over a month
before the 9/11 attacks. The letter, dated August 1, 2006, requested all
cognizant Federal Reserve components, including the bank's Financial
Payments and Risk Analysis branches, to pay special attention to Suspicious
Activity Reports (SARs) being submitted by component banks.

In fact, some Federal Reserve banks did notice something very suspicious
prior to 9/11. There was a dramatic downdraft in Federal Reserve note
currency holdings in July and August 2001 (this is referred to as the M1
money supply). In fact, the decrease in Federal Reserve note inventory was
35 percent, equating to billions of dollars. Essentially, there was a run on
cash at the banks in the months before 9/11, an event not seen since
December 1999, in the weeks before Y2K, and in January 1991, prior to the
commencement of Operation Desert Storm in the Gulf.

In addition, there is also evidence that the run on cash was masked by using
Argentina, which was experiencing a banking crisis, to evade detection by
United States authorities. The spotlight on suspicious cash transactions was
Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL) SpA of Argentina, an Italian bank whose
Atlanta branch featured prominently in the BCCI and U.S. Iraq weapons
transfer scandals of the 1980s. In January 2006, BNL Argentina was acquired
by none other than HSBC, the subject of attention by UAE Central Bank
authorities for suspicious transactions prior to 9/11. In addition,
Kissinger and Associates employed Timothy Geithner from 1985 to 1988.
Geithner is now the ninth president and chief executive officer of the
Second District Federal Reserve Bank of New York, the entity that stands
accused of covering up information about suspicious "Al Qaeda" money flows
from the UAE, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia for possible terrorist-related
purposes prior to 9/11.

"BNL was a client of Kissinger Associates. In addition, the late Democratic
Rep. Henry Gonzalez of Texas stated the following on the floor of the House
on April 26, 1991: "Henry Kissinger was a paid member of the Banca Nazionale
del Lavoro Consulting Board for International Policy. Mr. Kissinger held
this position during the height of the biggest banking scandal in United
States history-$4 billion in unreported loans to Iraq by the Atlanta branch
of BNL . . . Another interesting point to note is the timing of Mr.
Kissinger's supposed resignation from BNL on February 22, 1991. That date is
just days before the Justice Department announced a 347 count indictment
against the former employees of BNL after an exhaustive 18-month
investigation. This is quite a coincidence.

BNL was actually a client of Kissinger Associates at the same time BNL's
former employees in Atlanta were providing Iraq with billions in unreported
loans. This solidifies Mr. Kissinger's link to BNL and raises the question
of whether Mr. Kissinger had knowledge of the BNL loans to Iraq.

As I stated last week, many Kissinger Associates clients were doing business
with the Iraqis as a direct result of the unreported $4 billion in BNL loans
to Iraq. Volvo, whose chairman serves on the Kissinger Associates board of
directors, was doing big business in Iraq and it was the beneficiary of BNL
loans.

BNL was also the largest participant in the $5.5 billion CCC program for
Iraq. Between $800 and $900 million in BNL loans to Iraq were guaranteed by
the CCC. BNL was also the second largest participant in the Export-Import
[Eximbank] program for Iraq. Over $50 million in BNL loans to Iraq were
guaranteed by Eximbank. Through these programs it became common knowledge in
the export community that BNL was Iraq's prime banker in the United States.

I also reported last week that Mr. Lawrence Eagleburger had ties to BNL.
While he was serving as president of Kissinger Associates, Eagleburger was a
board member of a Yugoslavian bank that had a substantial and even
incestuous relationship with BNL. BNL was a main factor in the growth of
that Yugoslavian bank's ope

[cia-drugs] Something is wrong in America

[Milo]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Ron Corvus
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:05 AM
 Subject: [new_patriots] Something is wrong in America . . .

Wake up America !!!
I ask for 10 minutes of your time and an open mind.  Please read the
following two pages and consider the information provided.  I hope that you
will make a decision to do additional research on the issues raised here
through links on this site and Internet research.  Links/info can be found
here   and here
 .
These are issues that need to be brought to the attention of the American
public.  It is time for a reassessment of our policy by our nation.  I hope
that I can count on you to help bring this to the attention of America.
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know
the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. Patrick Henry


Something is wrong in America . . .

When 2% of the population belongs to a Tribe:

~  That can step off a plane from the United States into a foreign country
and get instant citizenship based on belonging to the Tribe of Israel ( Law
of Return  )


 ~  That the total number of the Tribe of Israel's spies convicted or
expelled from the United States of America exceeds the number convicted for
all other groups in our history.  These spies include: ( Spies
 )  And
when their spy ring of over 140 spies was rolled up, only 1 major news
agency ran the story and it was pulled ( Spy ring
 )


  ~  Who hold roughly 10% of the Senate seats  ( Info
 )


 ~  Who hold approximately 40% of the top television producer positions (
source
 )


 ~  Who in the Tribe of Israel's most Holy moment on Yom Kippur (equal to
Christmas Eve for the Christians) continue to pray their ancient prayer, the
Kol Nidre:  "All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas, pledges of all
names, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound,
from this Day of Atonement until the next (whose happy coming we await), we
do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and
made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows
shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the
oaths be oaths."  Which (taken from their book of Prayer) forgives them for
Sins committed with incestuous lewdness, ( more about the Kol Nidre
 )


 ~  That has its own Legislature which has received special credentials and
recognition at the United Nations And has a diplomatic seat in the U.N. and
chairs within many of it institutions, commissions and sub-bodies.   (
wjc.org.il/  ), ( ajc.org  ) And who
have their own world wide news agency ( jta.org  )


 ~  That swears allegiance to a foreign country born of ethnic cleansing, a
nuclear armed nation that refuses to acknowledge its nuclear weapons
  or ratify the nuclear non proliferation treaty.  "I'll confess it,
at least, like thousands of other typical Jewish kids of my generation, I
was reared as a Jewish nationalist, even a quasi-separatist.  Every summer
for two months for 10 formative years during my childhood and adolescence I
attended Jewish summer camp.  There, each morning, I saluted a foreign flag,
dressed in a uniform reflecting its colors, sang a foreign national anthem,
learned a foreign language, learned foreign folk songs and dances, and was
taught that Israel was the true homeland." ( more
 )  Dr.
Stephen Steinlight, who served for five years as the Directory of National
Affairs for the American Jewish Committee, one of the most powerful Jewish
organizations said in an article in 2001 entitled "The Jewish Stake in
America's Changing Demographics":


  ~  Whose Fatherland and politics consumes almost 50% of the Foreign Aid
Budget ~ Doesn't have to pay its loans ~ Gets special payment arrangements
and interest rates  ( WRMEA  )


 ~  Whose Ethnic Intelligence Apparatus has propelled them to have 30% of
the billionaires in America, ( source
 ) "Mossad can go to any distinguished American
Jew and ask for help." (ex-CIA official, 9/3/1979, Newsweek)


 ~  Who uses our tax mone