[cia-drugs] Re: decoding hillary
--- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > so, what's hillary's bag? apparently zbigniew brzezinski is barak obama's handler, whereas liebermann is mccain's handler. so is hillary a stooge for the bush crime family's neo-iran/contra narcotics operation? has she sold out to the neocons? what's her thing? who's her controller? who/what's behind her? thanks. > Kleptofuge: 2 trillion dollars disappeared through DoD during the 1990's. Another 2 trillion dollars is openly acknowledged to be going out for the war 2001-2011. No diff between Dems and Reps, Bush father and son, Bush and Clinton. Five weapons companies own 90% of US media to effectively render the media to be war advertising. Most important is what war advertising leaves out.
[cia-drugs] Intelligence Authorization Conference Report
Tue, 12 Feb 2008 17:48:50 -0500 To: "tHERESA j. Steed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Harry Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Stopping Torture Dear tHERESA j., Tomorrow, I will bring the Intelligence Authorization Conference Report to the floor of the Senate. Section 327 of the bill establishes one interrogation standard for the entire U.S. government. This would effectively end torture by requiring that the intelligence community abide by the standards articulated in the Army Field Manual. In order to attempt to block the ban on torture, Republicans may filibuster the bill or raise a point of order, claiming the torture provision violates the rules of the Senate. If the Parliamentarian agrees, we will be forced to try and waive the point of order. Either way we need 60 votes. Already some Republicans have signaled they will side with us - however we need more. Take a stand against torture Every Senator will be forced to answer a simple question: do they support torture? Do they support torture even though they know it is morally repugnant? Do they support torture even though they know it puts our own Soldiers, Sailors and Marines at risk? We are a nation at war -- a war in Iraq and a war against terrorism -- but this war does not give our leaders the authority to cast aside the laws of armed conflict. We need to restore our nation's moral authority, because the most effective way to fight terrorism is to harness all of our power - military, economic, and moral. When we do, the world will follow our lead once again. It may take years, but we can start by declaring loudly, and with one voice: America does not torture. Take a stand against torture If we fail to oppose an evil as obvious as torture -- and it is an evil, then as Thomas Jefferson said, I will "tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just." By passing this bill we can send a clear signal to the world that America does not torture - no ifs, ands or buts. Take a stand against torture Thank You, Harry Reid This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe, go to: http://www.giveemhellharry.com/unsubscribe Paid for by Friends For Harry Reid 426 C Street, NE Rear Bldg. Washington, DC 20002 - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[cia-drugs] Andrew Bertie, Who Led the Knights of Malta, Is Dead at 78
Andrew Bertie, Who Led the Knights of Malta, Is Dead at 78 2008 02 13 Fra Andrew Bertie, a descendant of Britain’s royal Stuart family who was grand master of the Knights of Malta, died Thursday in Rome. He was 78. His death was announced by the order, which gave no cause. Fra Bertie was the 78th grand master of the 900-year-old charitable order of laymen. He was elected to lead it in a secret ... Andrew Bertie, Who Led the Knights of Malta, Is Dead at 78 By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: February 9, 2008 ROME (AP) — Fra Andrew Bertie, a descendant of Britain’s royal Stuart family who was grand master of the Knights of Malta, died Thursday in Rome. He was 78. His death was announced by the order, which gave no cause. Fra Bertie was the 78th grand master of the 900-year-old charitable order of laymen. He was elected to lead it in a secret conclave in 1988. Elected for life, the grand master carries the title of prince, and the position is equal in rank to that of a cardinal. Officially known as the Sovereign Military Order of the Hospital of St. John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta, the group was founded with a pilgrims’ hospice in Jerusalem in the 11th century and has the status of an independent state. It maintains diplomatic relations with 100 nations. The Knights of Malta has 12,500 members and operates in 120 countries, providing medical and social services, particularly in war zones and impoverished areas. The grand commander of the order, Fra Giacomo della Torre, was sworn in as interim leader of the group. Fra Bertie’s father, James, was a foreign exchange dealer at the stock exchange in London. His mother, Lady Jean Crichton-Stuart, was a descendant of the Stuarts, the ruling family of Scotland from 1371 to 1603 and of England and Scotland from 1603 to 1714, with an 11-year interruption in the 17th century. Born in London in 1929, Fra Bertie joined the knights in 1956 and took his vows in 1981. He had also been a financial journalist and a language teacher. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/world/europe/09bertie.html?ex=1360213200&en=bca82204196032e3&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss <<2929bertiemalta.gif>>
[cia-drugs] Environ-mental ecofascist calls for imprisonment of manmade climate change skeptics
Thursday, February 7, 2008 Environ-mental ecofascist calls for imprisonment of manmade climate change skeptics Jail politicians who ignore climate science: Suzuki Didn't mean it literally says scientist's spokesperson Craig Offman, National Post Published: Thursday, February 07, 2008 David Suzuki has called for political leaders to be thrown in jail for ignoring the science behind climate change. At a Montreal conference last Thursday, the prominent scientist, broadcaster and Order of Canada recipient exhorted a packed house of 600 to hold politicians legally accountable for what he called an intergenerational crime. Though a spokesman said yesterday the call for imprisonment was not meant to be taken literally, Dr. Suzuki reportedly made similar remarks in an address at the University of Toronto last month. The proposal has lit up many conservative blogs since it was first reported by the McGill Daily on Monday. Addressing the McGill Business Conference on Sustainability, hosted by the Faculty of Management, Dr. Suzuki's wide-ranging speech warned against favouring the economy to the detriment of the ecology -- the tarsands in Northern Alberta being his prime example. "You have lived your entire lives in a completely unsustainable period," he told students and fans. "You all think growth and [climate] change is normal. It's not." Toward the end of his speech, Dr. Suzuki said that "we can no longer tolerate what's going on in Ottawa and Edmonton" and then encouraged attendees to hold politicians to a greater green standard. "What I would challenge you to do is to put a lot of effort into trying to see whether there's a legal way of throwing our so-called leaders into jail because what they're doing is a criminal act," said Dr. Suzuki, a former board member of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. "It's an intergenerational crime in the face of all the knowledge and science from over 20 years." The statement elicited rounds of applause. "He sounded serious," said McGill Tribune news editor Vincci Tsui, who covered the event. "I think he wanted to send home the message that this is very crucial issue." When asked for further comment, Dan Maceluch, a spokesman for Dr. Suzuki, said that he did not mean the statement to be taken literally. "He's not advocating locking people up, but he is pulling his hair out." How a law concerning climate-change denial could be enforced baffled at least one leading criminal-law expert. "We used to have an offence of spreading false news," said Kent Roach, the Prichard-Wilson Chair of Law and Public Policy at the University of Toronto Faculty of Law. "But that was struck down by the Supreme Court." Yet there could be a better blueprint for Dr. Suzuki's legal scenario. The Kyoto Protocol Implementation Act, a Liberal-sponsored private member's bill that passed and was given Royal Assent last year, legally requires the Conservative government to abide by the international pact's short-term environmental targets. In the event that conditions are not met, government officials are held liable. "Every person who contravenes a regulation made under this Act is guilty of an offence punishable by indictment or on summary conviction, as prescribed by the regulations," the act reads, "and liable to a fine or to imprisonment as prescribed by the regulations." The act adds that there are further legal measures in the event of subsequent and continuing offences, but does not specify the penalties. The Conservative government said last year it would not abide by the Liberal-sponsored bill, since private member's bills cannot force the government to spend money. National Post http://sovereignsentience.blogspot.com/2008/02/environ-mental-eco-fascist-calls-for.html <>
[cia-drugs] Fwd: Agent of suffering
Tragically Agent Orange will go down in history as benign compared to the catastrophic effects Depleted Uranium is having as it is being unleashed insanely in the Middle East. Depleted Uranium has a half life of 1 or 4 (I forget, like it would make any difference) BILLION YEARS. With cancers and major birth defects passing down generation to generation.Mary. Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:11:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Agent of suffering Agent of suffering A third generation of Vietnamese are suffering deformities caused by US chemical warfare and still Washington refuses to accept responsibility Posted Feb 11, 2008 08:49 AM PST Category: SCIENCE/HEALTH Warning: extremely graphic and disturbing picture at the top of this article. However, this was the legacy of America's "tax dollars at work" in Viet Nam in the 60s and 70's. In the nineties and into the year 2008, the legacy of our "tax dollars at work" will be that of depleted uranium poisoning, not only hitting people in the Middle East, but our vets and their families as well. And of course, Washington refuses to acknowledge the terrible damage that this has caused as well. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ ~~~ Agent of suffering A third generation of Vietnamese are suffering deformities caused by US chemical warfare and still Washington refuses to accept responsibility Tom Fawthrop, Guardian Three-year-old Xuan Minh, believed to be suffering from the effects of Agent Orange, looks out from his hospital bed in Ho Chi Min. Photographer: Richard Vogel/AP February 10, 2008 Long after the last bullet has been fired in a war, unexploded bombs, landmines and toxic chemicals continue to maim and kill civilians. This is particularly true of the Vietnam war. Three decades after US soldiers and diplomats scrambled aboard the last planes out of Saigon in April 1975, the toxins they left behind still poison Vietnam. Relations with the United States have been normalised since the 1990s, but the denial of justice to the victims of Agent Orange remains a major bone of contention. Not only are Vietnamese still maimed from treading on unexploded bombs, they are also victims of this insidious scourge that poisons water and food supplies, causing various cancers and crippling deformities. Eighty million litres of Agent Orange were sprayed on the jungles of Vietnam, destroying swathes of irreplaceable rainforest through massive defoliation and leaving a toxic trail of dioxin contamination in the soil for decades. The legacy of this chemical warfare can even be inflicted on the unborn, with Agent Orange birth deformities now being passed on to a third generation. In the 3,160 villages in the southern part of Vietnam within the Agent Orange spraying zone, 800,000 people continue to suffer serious health problems and are in need of constant medical attention. Last month, members of a US Vietnamese working group reported that it will cost at least $14m to remove dioxin residues from just one site around the former US airbase in Danang. The cost of a comprehensive clean-up around three dioxin hotspots and former US bases is estimated at around $60m. The $3m pledged by US Congress last year is a pathetically inadequate amount set against the billions spent in waging war and deploying weapons of mass destruction. The recent study of one Agent Orange hotspot, the former US airbase in Danang, found dioxin levels 300 to 400 times higher than internationally accepted limits. The study confirmed that rainwater had carried dioxin into city drains and into a neighbouring community that is home to more than 100,000 people. Dr Arnold Schecter, a leading expert in dioxin contamination in the US, sampled the soil around former US airbase in Bien Hoa in 2003 and found dioxin levels that were 180 times above the safe level set by the US environmental protection agency. The US government was aware of these findings (pdf) back in 2003. The US government's Veterans Administration officially recognises 13 medical conditions linked to Agent Orange and provides free medical treatment to US soldiers who can prove their exposure to the herbicide. But Washington has adamantly denied all responsibility and evaded any kind of accountability for the estimated four million Vietnamese soldiers and civilians who suffered far greater exposure to the dioxin than the US war veterans. In February 2004, the Vietnamese Association of Victims of Agent Orange (VAVA) filed a class action law suit in a New York court, against Monsanto, Dow Chemicals and 35 other manufacturers of the herbicides deployed in Vietnam. The plaintiffs and their lawyers deliberately chose the very same court that had presided over the only previous lawsuit brought against Agent Orange manufacturers, by US war veterans. The original lawsuit was settled i
[cia-drugs] Fwd: McCain's The One
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 11:28 am Subject: McCain's The One Beverly Hills, CA February 12, 2008 ? ??? McCain's The One ??? ??? by Richard Scheck ? ? For those who think the time of the neocons has passed, the election of 2008 is emerging as a great disappointment. ? Such folks have forgotten the role?that Bill Kristol played as a key supporter of McCain back in 2000 when he ran against Bush. ? In a likely McCain, Obama presidential campaign, the former Air Force pilot and ardent nationalist will eagerly promote expanding the Bush agenda of preemptive interventions while probably accusing the Illinois Senator (or Hillary) as either naive or traitorous?like they use to do the left during the Cold War. ? With the high likelihood of Joe Lieberman as his running mate along with a New York Times endorsement, McCain is poised to run as the bipartisan, maverick who can bridge the gap between the pro-Israel Christian right, disgruntled anti-Washington independents and a frustrated middle class including many Democrats (like Lieberman did in Connecticut 2 years ago) to forge a powerful alliance against the Hillary/Obama uber-liberals. ? The Dems have caved on resisting Bush's surge and now they are positioned to loose the White House again by backing?presidential candidates who oppose the war in the mildest terms imaginable. ? The antiwar left led by Dennis Kucinich and the antiwar right led by Ron Paul must find a way to overcome their fundamental differences and unite on a platform of peace if American imperial over-reach is to ever end without exhausting our military, treasury and international good-will. ? To see what others say about his, please go to: http://www.antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=12345. http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/952529.html. ? ? ? ? ? Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Re: [cia-drugs] Re: decoding hillary
> Kleptofuge: 2 trillion dollars disappeared through DoD during the > 1990's. Another 2 trillion dollars is openly acknowledged to be going > out for the war 2001-2011. No diff between Dems and Reps, Bush father > and son, Bush and Clinton. Five weapons companies own 90% of US media > to effectively render the media to be war advertising. Most important > is what war advertising leaves out. VMANN: yeah, she's still on the board of american lafarge, right? so is she more like the brzezinski group that wants war with russia or like the mccain/leibermann faction that wants to attack iran right away? isnt she also big with the pharmaceutical industry? thanks! vigilius haufniensis
[cia-drugs] Fwd: Bush's Law -- and Who Goes to Prison If You Apply the Same Law to Bush & Co
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:16 am Subject: Bush's Law -- and Who Goes to Prison If You Apply the Same Law to Bush & Co Bush Justice Department Goes After Another Democratic Lawyer (And Why This is Bad News for Yoo and Bradbury) Scott Horton February 9, 2008 http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002346 "Government prosecutors are saying that by offering a legal opinion, the attorney made himself into a part of a conspiracy. So, whether that opinion was right or wrong, he became just another cog in a criminal enterprise." It’s beginning to sound like a stuck record. Another strike by the Bush Justice Department, keeping the country safe. Who’s the target this time? A crack dealer? An al Qaeda terrorist? No. It’s a wing-tip shoed Miami lawyer, who served as president of the bar association, is held in universally high esteem (outside, of course, of the political hacks who run the Bush Justice Department) and who advised Al Gore in the 2000 Florida recount battle. According to the Justice Department, the lawyer’s involvement with Democratic politics has nothing to do with his being charged. Quite a few of his contemporaries are having problems buying that, and still bigger problems understanding his supposed “crime.” Here’s the way the Miami Herald broke the story on Thursday: Ben Kuehne, a widely respected Miami lawyer whose clients have included former Vice President Al Gore and other major politicians, surrendered Thursday on federal criminal charges for his behind-the-scenes role in a complex international drug-trafficking case. An indictment, unsealed at his morning court appearance, charges Kuehne in a money-laundering conspiracy with approving tainted legal payments by an accused Colombian drug kingpin to his defense attorney in Miami. The fee payments turned out to be illegitimate because they allegedly came from drug proceeds in violation of federal law, federal prosecutors said. Kuehne, appearing in Miami federal court at 10 a.m., said: “Since I am completely innocent of these charges, I am entering a plea of not guilty. . .” Justice Department officials allege that Kuehne broke the law in 2002-03 when he vouched for millions paid by one-time Medellín drug lord Fabio Ochoa Vasquez to his high-profile trial attorney, Roy Black. Kuehne’s research gave Black the confidence — in the form of legal opinion letters — to accept payments totaling $3.7 million in fees and $1.3 million in expenses from Ochoa, according to several sources. Kuehne earned a portion of the expense payments — $220,000 to $260,000 — from Black for vetting Ochoa’s payments. The payments were documented to a specific commercial operation and holding long in the hands of the Ochoa family: a horse and cattle farm in Colombia. The Herald is giving its reporting a good bit of Justice Department spin. What exactly is Kuehne’s involvement in this “conspiracy”? He was asked by another lawyer to give an opinion: did he think the retainer that was offered by a client could be accepted? He looked at the money and its provenance and gave a positive opinion. But according to the indictment, he went beyond the opinion by receiving and passing on a series of retainer payments. Some other facts make the Justice Department’s conduct look stranger still. The matter was not determined by local attorneys in the Miami U.S. Attorney’s office, but by political appointees from main Justice in Washington. Law.com collects a number of statements from leaders in the Florida bar, reacting angrily to the charges, including Kuehne’s lawyer: “This highly improbable charge involves important and unprecedented issues of law, policy and procedure,” Moscowitz wrote. The indictment was brought by Assistant U.S. Attorneys John Seller and Thomas Pinder of the Justice Department’s asset forfeiture and money laundering section in Washington. The case went to Washington because the U.S. Attorney’s office in Miami had a conflict as Ochoa’s prosecutor. Magistrate Brown’s courtroom overflowed with attorneys who support Kuehne. They included CNN legal commentator Jayne Weintraub and crim
[cia-drugs] Fwd: Bush and the Mormons
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:41 am Subject: Bush and the Mormons Bush and the Mormons By Suzan Mazur http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0410/S00296.htm A Mormon Temple - University City Dan Briody, The Iron Triangle: "So in 1989, when Mr. Marriott made it known that his company's airline catering division, then known as Marriott In-Flite Services, was on the block, one had to suspect that he knew something the rest of the world didn't know." That's J.W. "Bill" Marriott, Chairman of Marriott Corp. Briody speaks of, one of the world's most successful businessmen. Marriott's also one of the most celebrated members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints -- the Mormon Church. ? While we know of George W. Bush's popularity with the American electorate who consider themselves evangelical, born-again Christians (42%) - the vote from Bush's Mormon base has not been counted. Mormons are clearly not evangelical Christians. And there are 11 million of them. They run the "biggest and best" gun shows nationwide. They tend to vote Republican. And their church is rich, because it asks its members to tithe 10% of their annual income. "The Mormon Church is leaning more toward Christianity," says anthropologist and "Mormon sceptic" Tom Murphy at Edmonds College, Washington state. But as long as the religion includes Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon, Murphy says it cannot be considered Christian. Smith started the Mormon religion. The Book of Mormon is based on a "translation" of golden tablets he said he found in upstate New York in the 1800s following visitation from an angel named Moroni. It describes a migration of ancient Israelites (Laminites) to Central America, who supposedly interbred with the indigenous population, and it regards Native Americans as descendants of those ancient Israelites. Mormon scripture has been under intense scrutiny in recent years in the Financial Times (my 2/9/2002 story "Mormons in the Olympic spotlight"), from author Jon Krakaeur in his book "Under The Banner of Heaven," from Tom Murphy and others. Murphy's challenge regarding Smith's Book of Mormon as a history of Native Americans led to an LDS attempt to excommunicate him, but the church eventually backed down under pressure from the media. British researchers Tudor Parfitt and Neil Bradford, who've traced the tribes of Israel through DNA (the Lemba in South Africa), say they have no intention of testing Native Americans to see if they are descendants of the so-called Laminites. It is well established that Native Americans first migrated from Siberia over 10,000 years ago. But despite the migration route and chronology being all wrong, genetic testing of Native Americans in Central American is still being discussed by a group of former Brigham Young University scientists who have the same financial sponsorship they had while working at BYU, which is an LDS church institution. Mormons have historically played a significant behind-the-scenes money and power role in America. Sally Denton and Roger Morris have written about Mormon banker Parry Thomas's financing of Las Vegas, for example, in their book, "The Money and the Power: The Making of Las Vegas and Its Hold on America." So when I read Dan Briody's comment about Bill Marriott possibly knowing something the rest of the world didn't regarding the sale of its airline catering service to Carlyle, I paused and began to wonder about the volatile mix of Mormons, Carlyle connections and the timing of George W. Bush's meteoric political rise. Carlyle "founding fathers" Dan Altobello, Steve Norris, Fred Malek and Dan D'Aniello, who participated in the catering service buyout by Carlyle, all came from the Marriott Mormon culture before joining Carlyle. Malek was number two man at Marriott and a former Director of the Republican Party; it was Malek who brought George W. Bush into the Carlyle fold. Looking closer at the workings of the Mormon Church and its wealth - it is not particularly choosy about the source of its tithes. It accepts money, for example, from a circle of LDS lawyers, bankers and businessmen who represent the polygamist Mormons living out West. Former Utah-based child advocate Jay Beswick sees these tithes as "blood money" because the lawyers, bankers and businessmen help to support a 10,000 member polygamist/pedophile colony - the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (FLDS) - on the Utah-Arizona border, which has branches in Texas, Idaho, Colorado, British Columbia and parts in between. Beswick says that if the main Mormon Church really opposed polygamy, it would reject the tithes and excommunicate the lot. Rodney R. Parker, who legally represents the FLDS, is with the law firm of Snow, Christense
[cia-drugs] Re: The SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE-CONCENTRATION CAMPS IN THE US IS FACT
The roundup of illegal immigrants, "ICE" raids, Republican fear tactic is how they frame the concentration camps to be politically and morally invisible. In reality they tell us right up front that political prisoners are targeted,"If you are not with us you are for the terrorists" said Bush in 2001. Another measure of who is targeted is that police have fired wooden and rubber bullets at peaceful participants in parades and rallies and protests, in Florida, Connecticut, and of course the infamous Seattle attacks on an innocent populace, where police broke windows to justify firing rubber bullets at participants as they disembarked from buses in suburbs of Seattle. Police broke windows later, after they fired rubber bullets at activists far from city center, but a Warco-owned press did not help people to sort out the chronology there or let people know that police broke windows. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/message/42874
[cia-drugs] Re: Fwd: Agent of suffering
When did the Vietnam war end? 1) when most US soldiers were heroin addicted and it was becoming difficult to cover that up 2) when Agent Orange effects on US military personnel and Vietnamese civilians got too hard to cover up 3) when US military conscripts killed enough of their officers to present another impossible coverup 4) when war profits were overshadowed by liabilities, so that the most profitable thing to do was to leave versus earlier the most profitable thing to do was go and stay When did the Iraq war end? 1) when war profits are overshadowed by liability for DU and 911 war crimes and US war veteran illness from DU 2) same as why the US invasion of Iraq had to change to the occupation phase--US soldiers had become too sick to go on breathing US munitions dust--one reason US will pull out is to take Iraq war out of the news like Vietnam after the US pullout so US Iraq war vet and Iraqi civilian DU illness will not get into the news. Then after DU consequences to US vets and Iraqi civilians have been ignored by total blackout of any mention of Iraq for years, some Rambo-like movies about Iraq will take center stage from DU effects for twice as long. Arson of Vietnam vet war records at St Louis archive and Persian Gulf war vet records at Oklahoma City Murrah building underscores that the policy for when to leave wars is the same as when to burn the evidence--when profits are threatened war policy shifts accordingly. That's when it becomes evident that Vietnam and Iraq are no threat to the world, because withdrawal and coverup implies that the highest priority is covering up the only real security threat as far as most people are concerned in order to lock in war profits in the face of burgeoning liabilities. -Bob --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, mary whalen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs/message/42868