Re: [CinCVS] svn_log.php vs. Changelog

[Pierre Dumuid]

2 for, 0 against...

I will drop the change log in a few days if no one begs to differ!

Pierre

Nicolas wrote:

On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:50:09PM +0930, Pierre Marc Dumuid wrote:
  

Hi All,

Given someone on IRC indicated that the website links were quite broken, 
I thought I'd take a look.  In looking, I noticed the Changelog menu 
item.  Given that we now have the svn_log.php page, I was wondering if 
people find the Changelog useful anymore?  I personally find it quite 
redundant.  So I am curious if anyone if for / against the idea of 
removing the ChangeLog?


Pierre



Hello Pierre,

The Changelog page is out of date. Perhaps should the link be replaced
by a link to the SVN log page...

My 2 cents...
Nicolas, Paris.

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Re: [CinCVS] Quick & Dirty bugreport po-dir

[Pierre Dumuid]

I just did a complete compile from this unstable SVN and cut an interview
with it. 
"cut an interview" .. I'm not sure if you're English is bad, or you are 
using "cool terminology" from your area.

The only thing that made me look troubled was the render that
wouldn't work when the cursor was right of the available tracks. But this
is probably something that was already there.
  

Not sure what you are saying..

I really want to invest time to get ESD in sync (over a tcp connection).
So a nice hack should be made in my holiday time.
  

Great!

ps. jesd is a java implementation of esd... which is also very handy.
ps2. I must say if you call this 'unstable', try blender on ppc/ati-r300.
  

Un-stable is the wrong word.  More like "error in compiling".
The changes that were made so-far are only to move directories around to 
match upstream's directory naming conventions..


In a few weeks, it could possibly be unstable when we start pushing the 
patches that we have been pulling out from the 2.0 to 2.1 upstream 
transition and pushing them into the SVN repository.  (see 
http://cvs.cinelerra.org/about.php for more info of our release cycle)


Regards,
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Re: [CinCVS] Fixing the faders and automation lines

[Pierre Dumuid]

Leo germani wrote:

Hi all,

I am happy to announce that we are about to effectivelly contribute to 
cinelerra. This could happen through the Pontos de Cultura project of 
the ministery of culture of Brasil, who have hired Estudiolivre.org 
.

Sounds great!
We beleive they are great features (the faders for audio and video, 
and the possibility of automating camera and projector...) but the way 
they are today they are not very usable.
Agreed! But looking at your comments, the annoyances you see seem to be 
different to the annoyance I see, (and many other complainers on this list)


What really annoys me is at the moment, the ranges of the all automation 
curves (that control floating point variables) are currently shared, 
(i.e. the range for an audio track, typically need values from -80 to 6 
dB), projector / camera zoom ranges are ALWAYS positive, and generally 
go from .0001 to 10, and projector / camera translation control are 
generally of the order of -1024 to 1024 (depending on your image size).


At the moment, each of these curves has the same range when working with 
the curves.  This I consider is the most annoying feature about 
automation curves and the one that should be tackled first. My proposed 
solution is as follows:


At the moment (in the SVN version) there exists in the status bar:

 text box
[ -100 to 100]

where the text-box is an editable box where you can type in different 
ranges depending on your job, (i.e. adjusting the zoom, adjusting the 
projector, etc.)  My proposal would be to convert it to


dropdown   text boxbutton
[type] [ -100 to 100][log/lin]

With this idea, each curve is of a type (zoom, translation, audiofade), 
and the range used on the track depends on the type.  Rather than having 
three text-boxes for each type, you have a drop-down list, that can be 
used to select the range for each type.  Additionally, each type can use 
a logarithmic or linear scale, (probably really only applicable to the 
zoom!!)


The annoyance you seem to be talking about is that of turning on & off 
the automation curves per track.  At the moment, I don't see this as a 
central issue. Though, I think that further down the line it may be nice 
to have the ability to add a "select curves to show for each track" 
feature later on.  I personally think that an ability to save a set of 
curves on/off states would be cool as well, but these are all extended 
issues.


This is purely my idea of making the automations slightly more user 
friendly to use. (I don't quite see them as "not usable"!!)  You may 
come up with your own.


I do want to say, that I currently LOVE the ability to manually set the 
limits of the ranges by typing the values in.  I edit videos that are 
recorded from talks taken at gatherings.  sometimes the mixer forgets to 
pipe the audio through the mixer, but a small mic somewhere picks up the 
sound.  What I really appreciate being able to do in cinelerra is type 
in a range of [0 to 30] and then drag the curve to the top of the track 
and know that the volumen is at 30 dB, and then drag the curve to the 
bottom of the track and know that the curve is at 0. 

If I didn't have the editable text boxes, cinelerra would have to assume 
the levels I typically liked to jump between, and then I would have to 
guess what cinelerra was assuming I wanted!


Given this train of thought, it may also be cool to have an 
implementation of "snap" values for the automation curves.


Anyhow, I went way over-time with my discussion of the problem,

Regards,
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Re: [CinCVS] Quick & Dirty bugreport po-dir

[Stefan de Konink]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006, Pierre Dumuid wrote:

> This bug is known.  SVN is currently in an unstable state, because a
> merger with upstream code is currently being performed by j6t and myself.
> Please checkout revision 836 if you want the latest stable 2.0 release,
> or wait a couple of weeks for the patches developed from the changes
> between 2.0 and 2.1 make it into the repository.

(I'm still not sleeping)

I just did a complete compile from this unstable SVN and cut an interview
with it. The only thing that made me look troubled was the render that
wouldn't work when the cursor was right of the available tracks. But this
is probably something that was already there.

Thanks ESD still worked saved my @$# once more. I'm editing on a Dual
Opteron over NX en using ESD to hear something from this machine. Ok it is
not in sync, but at least it can export to OSX, Windows and Linux.

I really want to invest time to get ESD in sync (over a tcp connection).
So a nice hack should be made in my holiday time.


Stefan


ps. jesd is a java implementation of esd... which is also very handy.
ps2. I must say if you call this 'unstable', try blender on ppc/ati-r300.


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Re: [CinCVS] Quick & Dirty bugreport po-dir

[Pierre Dumuid]

This bug is known.  SVN is currently in an unstable state, because a 
merger with upstream code is currently being performed by j6t and myself.
Please checkout revision 836 if you want the latest stable 2.0 release, 
or wait a couple of weeks for the patches developed from the changes 
between 2.0 and 2.1 make it into the repository.




Stefan de Konink wrote:

There are some problems with seltempavg and chromakey-hsv. The last one
should be changed to chromakeyhsv. The first one I have no clue... and I
want to sleep.


Stefan


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[CinCVS] Quick & Dirty bugreport po-dir

[Stefan de Konink]

There are some problems with seltempavg and chromakey-hsv. The last one
should be changed to chromakeyhsv. The first one I have no clue... and I
want to sleep.


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[CinCVS] copy / past in version 2.1

[Bernhard Frühmesser]

Hello,

Just downloaded and compiled version 2.1 but strangely copy/paste
editing no longer works, does anyone know how i can check to see what´s 
going wrong or to start cinelerra in "debug mode" if there is something 
like that for it?


Thanks,
BF.


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[CinCVS] Fixing the faders and automation lines

[Leo germani]

Hi all,I am happy to announce that we are about to effectivelly contribute to cinelerra. This could happen through the Pontos de Cultura project of the ministery of culture of Brasil, who have hired 

Estudiolivre.org.Rafael (slackware packages maintener) is soon starting to work on cinelerra code. Our aim is to fix the faders and automation lines.We beleive they are great features (the faders for audio and video, and the possibility of automating camera and projector...) but the way they are today they are not very usable.
Of course we want to do this together with the community. So, first, Im gonna ask your opinions on whats the best way to deal with these issues. Later, I'll ask you to help Rafael, who is going to go deep in the code.
We have two plans so far, depending on how complex the thing gets:Plan A:Build Ardour-like automation tracks: it means you would have, on the left panel, the option to show or hide the automation tracks of your choice, wich would be subTracks of the track you are working in. On this track all you see is the automation line of the selected automation (fade, CameraX, etc...). You would be able to see one or as many automation tracks as you like at a time.
I think this is the best way cause also opens the door for, later on, someone add all the effects to this. For example, the PluginKey frames could migrate to the automatinoLine style. So I could automate, lets say, the HUE parameter of the Color Balance effect. It would substitute the yellow keys in the future in a much better way.
(Please let me know if my english is too confusing, maybe I can draw some snapshots)Since we dont know how hard is to do this we have a second option:Plan B:just adding a selection box on the left panel for the user to select wich automation he/she wants to see/edit. It would be possible to see only one at a time. And the scale would be automatically adjusted for the selected automation. 
Much simpler.. but does the job...Please share your opinions!cheersLeo,,

[CinCVS] ReframeRT also for Audio?

[Bernhard Frühmesser]

Hello,

I have added the ReframeRT effect to a video (track) to play the video a 
bit faster than normal, but the audio still plays at normal time, and i 
can`t find out the right effect to do the same for the audio tracks, so 
that audio and video both play syncronized (nudge isn´t the right thing 
i am looking for). Does anybody know how i can do this or how the effect 
for the audio track(s) is called.


Then i am not sure if the following is a bug or not, i have three audio 
tracks, the third track is used for small audio clips, when i disarm all 
other tracks so that only the third audio track is armed and when i then 
select a region and press m to mute the selected region i have (in older 
cinelerra versions) been able to insert an audio clip right after the 
region that has been muted before, but now the audio clip is either 
inserted at the beginning or right after other clips, is there something 
else in cinelerra 2.0 that i have to do than selecting a region and 
pressing m?


Thanks for any help/hints!!

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Re: [CinCVS] svn_log.php vs. Changelog

[Nicolas]

On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 11:50:09PM +0930, Pierre Marc Dumuid wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> Given someone on IRC indicated that the website links were quite broken, 
> I thought I'd take a look.  In looking, I noticed the Changelog menu 
> item.  Given that we now have the svn_log.php page, I was wondering if 
> people find the Changelog useful anymore?  I personally find it quite 
> redundant.  So I am curious if anyone if for / against the idea of 
> removing the ChangeLog?
> 
> Pierre

Hello Pierre,

The Changelog page is out of date. Perhaps should the link be replaced
by a link to the SVN log page...

My 2 cents...
Nicolas, Paris.

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[CinCVS] [Bug 279] New: PPC opcodes in ffmpeg dir

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http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=279

   Summary: PPC opcodes in ffmpeg dir
   Product: Cinelerra
   Version: 2.0
  Platform: Macintosh
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
  Severity: normal
  Priority: Medium
 Component: Building
AssignedTo: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
ReportedBy: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Trying to build on my iBook, doesn't have the expected results ;)

make[4]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/cinelerra-svn-0.1/work/cinelerra-svn-0.1/quicktime/ffmpeg/libavcodec'
make[5]: Entering directory
`/var/tmp/portage/cinelerra-svn-0.1/work/cinelerra-svn-0.1/quicktime/ffmpeg/libavcodec'
if /bin/sh ../../../libtool --mode=compile powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc
-DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../..-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE
-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -mcpu=powerpc-D_GNU_SOURCE -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H -I./..
-g -O2 -mcpu=7450 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -maltivec -mabi=altivec -MT
bitstream.lo -MD -MP -MF ".deps/bitstream.Tpo" \
  -c -o bitstream.lo `test -f 'bitstream.c' || echo './'`bitstream.c; \
then mv -f ".deps/bitstream.Tpo" ".deps/bitstream.Plo"; \
else rm -f ".deps/bitstream.Tpo"; exit 1; \
fi
mkdir .libs
 powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../..
-D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -mcpu=powerpc
-D_GNU_SOURCE -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H -I./.. -g -O2 -mcpu=7450 -pipe
-fno-strict-aliasing -maltivec -mabi=altivec -MT bitstream.lo -MD -MP -MF
.deps/bitstream.Tpo -c bitstream.c  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/bitstream.o
{standard input}: Assembler messages:
{standard input}:885: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `bswap'
{standard input}:896: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `shrl'
{standard input}:1016: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `bswap'
{standard input}:1027: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `shrl'
{standard input}:1045: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `bswap'
{standard input}:1063: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `shrl'
{standard input}:1155: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `bswap'
{standard input}:1179: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `shrl'
{standard input}:1274: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `bswap'
{standard input}:1383: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `bswap'
{standard input}:1456: Error: Unrecognized opcode: `bswap'
make[5]: *** [bitstream.lo] Error 1
make[5]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/cinelerra-svn-0.1/work/cinelerra-svn-0.1/quicktime/ffmpeg/libavcodec'



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[CinCVS] svn_log.php vs. Changelog

[Pierre Marc Dumuid]

Hi All,

Given someone on IRC indicated that the website links were quite broken, 
I thought I'd take a look.  In looking, I noticed the Changelog menu 
item.  Given that we now have the svn_log.php page, I was wondering if 
people find the Changelog useful anymore?  I personally find it quite 
redundant.  So I am curious if anyone if for / against the idea of 
removing the ChangeLog?


Pierre


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Re: [CinCVS] resolved x264 issues with mandatory items

[Martin Ellison]

Didn't I post something on this a few months ago?On 13/07/06, tom poe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Managed to find nasm, install it, and x264 install complete.  Now, tosolve libfaad.Tom-- Regards,Martin([EMAIL PROTECTED]
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