Re: [CinCVS] HDV to DVD (interlaced and PAL)
Ok try the attached patch (i.e. apply and rebuild cinelerra) and then: 1) load HDV track (make sure track size matches HDV size, e.g. 1440x1080) 2) add "Frames to Fields" effect, disable "Double Fields to original height" 3) add "Translate" effect, use 0x0, 1440x1080 input; 360x126, 720x576 output 4) add "Fields to Frames" effect, disable "Fields Doubled to orginal height" that will do all the resizing/scaling in the "field domain" i.e., it will resize each field independently to really whatever size you want, and recombine them to a new interlaced frame. The numbers in the translate example are what my quick calculations show for 1440x1080 HDV and normal PAL. This should work just as well for NTSC but with adjusted "Translate" Y numbers (i.e. 126->150 and 576->480). I haven't tested it yet, have to stop for the night but I'll check it tomorrow. Let me know if it works for you. I want to recheck the field ordering for each effect, although I think at first check they are right. I also should "blank" out the unused half when not doubling fields. Thanks. On 1/31/07, Dan Streetman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oops, since I use only NTSC (480 H) I mis-spoke on the PAL dimensions. PAL is apparently actually 576! So as far as I know you are right, without a "1080 to 576" effect there is no way to convert 1080i to 576i (PAL) inside cinelerra. Either another "1080 to" effect is needed or the other solution I mentioned needs to be added. The second solution I mentioned should actually be a very easy change and should be generic, i.e. will accomplish 1080 to anything interlaced scaling. I will see if I can code something up today... As far as the "1080 to 540" effect, as I said I assumed this was for PAL. If it isn't, I have no idea what the use for this effect is...the original "1080 to 480" was at least useful for people converting to NTSC. And I agree on scripting...it can be very useful! Sometimes though, it is much harder to debug with a lot of scripting. On 1/31/07, Marcin Kostur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Dan, > > Thanks for tips. I will try them. If they work i will make > somthing like bg-render template for HDV file. > > [OT] > Your description is also a good example how nice skripting is. > If cin would be 100% scriptable, then you would just copy me you line > which i would pasted in my xterm. ;-) Recenly i got involved in stupid > disscussion in slashcam.de, were a guy said that because all those > "long commands" linux is unacceptable. In my opinion it is windows GUI > unacceptable for me because of "cliking only habit". > > > The best > > Marcin > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > patch-framesfields Description: Binary data
Re: [CinCVS] Witch distro
I would have to recommend Ubuntu as well. It's pretty easy to setup and and Synaptic (yes I know Debian has it too) will help greatly when building Cinelerra. Cinelerra has its own particularly difficult dependency hunt when building from scratch. Being able to quickly install those dependencies really helps with the headache you will already have. - Jim
Re: [CinCVS] Witch distro
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 11:12:34PM +0100, muzzol wrote: > En/na Nicolas Maufrais ha escrit: > >Definitely go for Debian. > > > > debian is a good choice but i've found lot of problems with its > scheduling. if you keep your debian in stable you lose lot of cool new > additions and if you use testing or unstable don't be surprised about > the breackages. > > i've been debian user for long time, but i use and recommend now ubuntu. > > > flame is on! :D Yep! Since I encountered 2 or 3 problems when upgrading my Debian SID in all those years. And the problem was fixed some days later. The later one was a bug with OpenOffice, which crashed when opening any document. It was solved 24 hours later... Nicolas. -- ~~ ~ BOYCOTT SUSE & NOVELL (C)(TM)(R) MICRO$OFT ~ ~~ ~I DO LIKE AND SUPPORT GPL VERSION 3 ~ ~~ ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Witch distro
En/na Nicolas Maufrais ha escrit: Definitely go for Debian. debian is a good choice but i've found lot of problems with its scheduling. if you keep your debian in stable you lose lot of cool new additions and if you use testing or unstable don't be surprised about the breackages. i've been debian user for long time, but i use and recommend now ubuntu. flame is on! :D -- ^ ^ O O (_ _) muzzol(a)gmail.com jabber id: muzzol(a)jabber.dk No atribueixis qualitats humanes als ordinadors. No els hi agrada. "El gobierno español sólo habla con terroristas, homosexuales y catalanes, a ver cuando se decide a hablar con gente normal" Jiménez Losantos bomb terrorism bush aznar teletubbies ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers
Johannes Sixt wrote: > On Tuesday 30 January 2007 23:40, muzzol wrote: > >> hi again, >> >> im sad to see no developers are answering. this is really serious, in >> fact it could be a GPL license violation and is as simple to resolv as >> applying a simple patch. >> >> this is mainly focused to developers but i would like to hear oppinions >> here. >> > Your religion (Debina+Ubuntu+FSF) does not conflict with mine (briefly > outlined above). Therefore, I see no reason to reject patches if you send > them in. > > -- Hannes > This is all we're looking for. That the patch be accepted if we do it. -Cory ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers
On Tuesday 30 January 2007 23:40, muzzol wrote: > hi again, > > im sad to see no developers are answering. this is really serious, in > fact it could be a GPL license violation and is as simple to resolv as > applying a simple patch. > > this is mainly focused to developers but i would like to hear oppinions > here. 1. If the license text is in the root directory of the source code, it is made absolutely clear how the source code thereunder is licensed. It is in no way necessary to write a license preamble in each and every file. 2. I take licenses series. But that does not mean that I'm going to look whether any code in the cinelerra directory is violating the license. Almost all of the code was written by someone else. 3. I will not waste my time writing preambles into files. 4. Your religion (Debina+Ubuntu+FSF) does not conflict with mine (briefly outlined above). Therefore, I see no reason to reject patches if you send them in. -- Hannes ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCVS] [Bug 397] Configure missing nasm tool installed check, compile fails
http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=397 --- Comment #2 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007-01-31 22:14 +2 --- As far as I am concerned, I do look at the severity. The problem described here is certainly not severe, since there is an easy workaround: install nasm. I don't look at the priority at all when I browse the bug list. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.cinelerra.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCVS] [Bug 327] Fade level not correctly updated on the slider bar
http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=327 --- Comment #3 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2007-01-31 22:12 +2 --- I downloaded, installed and tested Hannes' patched Cinelerra, which is available here: git://git.pipapo.org/cinelerra/j6t Everything's ok. I didn't find any problem. Thanks! =) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.cinelerra.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Obsolete Fedora packages on the 'Packages' page
On 2007-01-31 19:45, Nicolas Maufrais wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:39:24PM +0200, Mikko Huhtala wrote: > > > > The packages page > > > >http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php > > > > links to Fedora packages, but those are of version 1.2.3 and its > > dependencies. > > > > The Freshrpms repository currently has Cinelerra 2.1-0.12.20070108 for > > Fedora 6. The Fedora 5 package is also of the 2.1 series, if not the > > same as that for Fedora 6. Maybe the web page should be updated? > > Hello Mikko, > > Thanks for editing the wiki. I removed the section "Red Hat Enterprise > Linux / CentOS". I'll put it back if anyone wants to put some contents > in it. > > Changes made: > - wiki updated with the latest manual edition, > - new edition available on the website, > - "Get Cinelerra" page updated. > > Nicolas Maufrais. Thanks Nicolas. Mikko, Did you just notice this? I just added the Cin version note for those Fedora packages on the web page last night. Thank you for pointing out a location for newer versions. Have you tested the Freshrpms version for functionality? Thank you, -- Kevin ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] HDV to DVD (interlaced and PAL)
Oops, since I use only NTSC (480 H) I mis-spoke on the PAL dimensions. PAL is apparently actually 576! So as far as I know you are right, without a "1080 to 576" effect there is no way to convert 1080i to 576i (PAL) inside cinelerra. Either another "1080 to" effect is needed or the other solution I mentioned needs to be added. The second solution I mentioned should actually be a very easy change and should be generic, i.e. will accomplish 1080 to anything interlaced scaling. I will see if I can code something up today... As far as the "1080 to 540" effect, as I said I assumed this was for PAL. If it isn't, I have no idea what the use for this effect is...the original "1080 to 480" was at least useful for people converting to NTSC. And I agree on scripting...it can be very useful! Sometimes though, it is much harder to debug with a lot of scripting. On 1/31/07, Marcin Kostur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Dan, Thanks for tips. I will try them. If they work i will make somthing like bg-render template for HDV file. [OT] Your description is also a good example how nice skripting is. If cin would be 100% scriptable, then you would just copy me you line which i would pasted in my xterm. ;-) Recenly i got involved in stupid disscussion in slashcam.de, were a guy said that because all those "long commands" linux is unacceptable. In my opinion it is windows GUI unacceptable for me because of "cliking only habit". The best Marcin ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Witch distro
On Wed, Jan 31, 2007 at 09:09:12PM +0100, Sylvain Jousse wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been listening for a long time. I think now is the right time > to seriously go into Cinelerra. I am under Mandriva where the Cine > version crashes all the time. I want to have a dual boot Mandriva/Ubuntu > or Mandriva/Debian. I like Mandriva for the "ready-made". The other distro > will be for Cinelerra only. > > Which one, between Ubuntu or Debian must I install to have the best > working Cinelerra? > > Special thanks to Valentina and Muzzol to manage repositories for > the community. > > Sylvain. Salut Sylvain, Definitely go for Debian. It's widely used, as a top-notch packaging system, pays a lot of attention about the licences (that's important for the future), and isn't a product from a commercial company. Use the original, use Debian! BTW, you should read this topic (in French): http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/OSAlternatifs/Logiciels-2/debian-envie-superieure-sujet_61881_1.htm Nicolas Maufrais. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCVS] Witch distro
Hi all, I have been listening for a long time. I think now is the right time to seriously go into Cinelerra. I am under Mandriva where the Cine version crashes all the time. I want to have a dual boot Mandriva/Ubuntu or Mandriva/Debian. I like Mandriva for the "ready-made". The other distro will be for Cinelerra only. Which one, between Ubuntu or Debian must I install to have the best working Cinelerra? Special thanks to Valentina and Muzzol to manage repositories for the community. Sylvain. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Obsolete Fedora packages on the 'Packages' page
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 05:39:24PM +0200, Mikko Huhtala wrote: > > The packages page > >http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php > > links to Fedora packages, but those are of version 1.2.3 and its > dependencies. > > The Freshrpms repository currently has Cinelerra 2.1-0.12.20070108 for > Fedora 6. The Fedora 5 package is also of the 2.1 series, if not the > same as that for Fedora 6. Maybe the web page should be updated? Hello Mikko, Thanks for editing the wiki. I removed the section "Red Hat Enterprise Linux / CentOS". I'll put it back if anyone wants to put some contents in it. Changes made: - wiki updated with the latest manual edition, - new edition available on the website, - "Get Cinelerra" page updated. Nicolas Maufrais. -- ~~ ~ BOYCOTT SUSE & NOVELL (C)(TM)(R) MICRO$OFT ~ ~~ ~I DO LIKE AND SUPPORT GPL VERSION 3 ~ ~~ ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers
On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Holger Levsen wrote: > BTW, last time I looked there were also quite some libaries copied into the > cinelerra sourcetree - this is bad from a maintainance point of view Here we go again. -- Matthew Skala [EMAIL PROTECTED]Embrace and defend. http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/ ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] "Heroine Statue" Movie ?
Thanks Andraz. Did not know from where starting. Tom ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers
Hi, On Wednesday 31 January 2007 10:02, muzzol wrote: > 2007/1/31, Andraž Tori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > i believe there was talk about _exactly_ this few months ago on this > > list. Yes :) I'm happily read this thread and will happily maintain cinelerra in debian once the licence issues are resolved. BTW, last time I looked there were also quite some libaries copied into the cinelerra sourcetree - this is bad from a maintainance point of view (security patches need to be applied many times) but this also effects the debian/copyright file: the author of every software included and its licence need to be mentioned there. > > It was resolved by someone contacting Adam and getting clearance for the > > code he wrote. Now someone must check if there are any other files in > > the tree and clear up all of the cases. > > yes. there's no grey areas here. we have the confirmation. Aeh, did Adam really write _all_ the code (from those files without GPL statements)? He only gave clarification for the code he wrote. This is still serious progress (cheers!) but - as I understand it - we are not there yet. regards, Holger pgpJc0M3Cfgao.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [CinCVS] "Heroine Statue" Movie ?
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 16:48 +, Tom wrote: > Hi, > > How to make a movie like the HEROINE STATUE (on > http://heroines.sourceforge.net/movies.php3), a slideshow with a kind of > KenBurns effect ? > Is Tracking Motion involved here ? > If yes does anyone know where I could find a tutorial to realize such thing > ? Ideally with resources to try. > I'm not sure to understand doc about TM feature. all you need is camera and projector automation, look into wiki under that topic. it is very simple to do bye andraz ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCVS] "Heroine Statue" Movie ?
Hi, How to make a movie like the HEROINE STATUE (on http://heroines.sourceforge.net/movies.php3), a slideshow with a kind of KenBurns effect ? Is Tracking Motion involved here ? If yes does anyone know where I could find a tutorial to realize such thing ? Ideally with resources to try. I'm not sure to understand doc about TM feature. Thanks, Tom www.guilleminot.org ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCVS] Re: Obsolete Fedora packages on the 'Packages' page
Nicolas Maufrais wrote: > Please edit the wiki section about installing Cinelerra on Redhat: > http://cvs.cinelerra.org/docs/wiki/doku.php?id=english_manual:cinelerra_cv_en_2#redhat > I'll then update the getting_cinelerra.php page with that contents. Thanks for the pointer. I created a new section for Fedora, put instructions there and relabeled the RedHat one to 'Red Hat Enterprise Linux / CentOS'. I haven't used RHEL or CentOS in ages, so I'm not familiar with their compatibility with third-party package repositories. Mikko ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] HDV to DVD (interlaced and PAL)
Hi I seek for following solutions: - convert with ffmpeg/mencoder 1080i MPEG to 576i PAL DVD-compat mpeg - yuv pipe command which does it in the fly from 1080i project Anybody tried this? Marcin ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCVS] Call for more workflows!
Dear Users, I wrote HDV workflow, mostly because i got frustrated while "discovering" it. Hopefully, this can help other happy HDV cam owners. BUT - I expect that you will follow and describe your "workflows", "tips" etc. Even apparently simple things like "making properly interlaced dvd". Examples of YUV4MPEG pipes (i want such a pipe for HDV2DVD ;-), even some magic lines for compressing files outside of cinelerra are of interest! For beginners - even a very obvious workflow would be of interest e.g. an example of project with few small files. I would be interested how do others edit their videos, as there are many ways Tips section in wiki is good place for it. Typing in wiki is amazingly fast and efficient! the best Marcin Ps. http://[en|de].wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinelerra contain old wiki link: manual.cinelerra.org I put http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDV link to "HDV workflow". ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] HDV to DVD (interlaced and PAL)
Dear Dan, Thanks for tips. I will try them. If they work i will make somthing like bg-render template for HDV file. [OT] Your description is also a good example how nice skripting is. If cin would be 100% scriptable, then you would just copy me you line which i would pasted in my xterm. ;-) Recenly i got involved in stupid disscussion in slashcam.de, were a guy said that because all those "long commands" linux is unacceptable. In my opinion it is windows GUI unacceptable for me because of "cliking only habit". The best Marcin ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] gpl headers
2007/1/31, Andraž Tori <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: i believe there was talk about _exactly_ this few months ago on this list. It was resolved by someone contacting Adam and getting clearance for the code he wrote. Now someone must check if there are any other files in the tree and clear up all of the cases. yes. there's no grey areas here. we have the confirmation. So ... you only need time. yes, and this is the reason im asking for your help. i think we're making difficult a very simple thing. we just need to add few lines to some .c files. as nick burns says, "is that so hard?" :) i dont really like to push people but it would be great to see cinelerra on next ubuntu release. -- ^ ^ O O (_ _) muzzol(a)gmail.com jabber id: muzzol(a)jabber.dk No atribueixis qualitats humanes als ordinadors. No els hi agrada. "El gobierno español sólo habla con terroristas, homosexuales y catalanes, a ver cuando se decide a hablar con gente normal" Jiménez Losantos bomb terrorism bush aznar teletubbies
