[CinCV] Red cameras
This might be old news to some of you... Red cameras, founded by the founder of Oakley, are making modular digital cameras you can shoot feature films on. RED / Cameras YouTube - The Red One Camera Red Digital Cinema Camera Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I wonder if they are/will be compatible with Cinelerra/Lumiera? Norval Watson Win a MacBook Air or iPod touch with Yahoo!7. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] [Bug 520] Program crashs when Titler called.
http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520 [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution||FIXED --- Comment #2 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2008-09-10 03:37 +2 --- (In reply to comment #1) > (In reply to comment #0) > > find: /usr/lib64/cinelerra/fonts: No such file or directory > > Please make sure you have fonts in this directory. Does it still crash? > The fonts directory was located at /usr/share/cinelerra/fonts. I first tried a symbolic link to that directory in /usr/lib64/cinelerra, but the program still crashed. However, when I actually copied the font files into a newly created /usr/lib64/cinelerra/fonts directory, there was no crash! I'm running Fedora 8 and installed cinelerra from cinelerra-2.1-0.14.svn2007.kwizart.fc8.src.rpm Thanks for the pointer! -- Configure bugmail: http://bugs.cinelerra.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email --- You are receiving this mail because: --- You are the assignee for the bug, or are watching the assignee. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Compiling Cinelerra4
I tried to compile the cinelerra4 source, since ist seems to offer the feature that text in the title effect can be adorned with an outline. The compilation stopped with an error: faad2.cpp:311: error: 'struct format_list_t' has no member named 'rtpmap' It took some time to find out that in mpeg4ip version 1.6 this member indeed wasn't there. The programmer seems to be on holidays and will give attention to his ruined tarball when he is back. Fortunately the correct declaration of member rtpmap was still present in version mpeg4ip-1.5.0.1 So I downloaded the tarball. Contrary to most tarballs it asks to be started by issuing the command ./bootstrap. Which lead to the error: ./bootstrap: 76: Syntax error: Bad fd number After some google work, I found out that issuing the command 'bash bootstrap' works. OK. This seems to do the configuration. But the command 'make' leads to an error that tells me that there is no reference to 'XmoveWindows'. The problem, according to some e-mail correspondence, seems to be that mpeg4ip relies on sdl to 'pull in' libX11. But since version libsdl-1.2.8 did not have this problem, I downloaded libsdl-1.2.8 tarball. But that compiled not so well because of an error, complaining about the syntax in a cpp-program. It said that I had to add a ';' before an '}' token. No problem to do so since I have done some C-programming my self. It was only that I asked my self how such an blatant error ever made it to a tarball unnoticed. I tried to compile again and now the error was a simple: 'ConvertMMX' aliased to undefined symbol '_ConvertMMX' I googled a bit more and found that perhaps gcc-4.x just doesn't go well together with sdl-1.2.8 and perhaps version sdl-1.2.13 should be tried instead. Then I stopped an started to ask myself questions. Question 1: who are these children that are set loose on the internet to take the guise of a programmer and just program around in their private Kindergarten, without any communication to the outside world? Question 2: does anyone ever ask himself why cinelerra crashes so very often? Question 3: how has cinelerra ever managed to become a professional NLE? ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Long video inputs: What format will Cinelerra take well?
Hello, and thanks for your answers so far. The truth is that I create the final video in two phases: One is to extract good takes from raw footage, which is in MJPEG (and adjusting brightness etc) and create intermediate footage, rendering with Cinelerra. Then I feed the intermediate videos into the final cut. Since there are different technical setting for different parts of the footage, this is the only sane way. The 21-minute "footage" I mentioned previously is the intermediate footage. It's created by rendering to pipe as YUV4MPEG, piping it to mencoder, which can turn it to whatever I want. But what format will really work? Now to your questions: Martin Ellison wrote: > Can you chop it up into smaller clips? > Of course I can. This is what I eventually did. And with mencoder at hand with its -ss and -endpos flags, any video can be chopped. But it's an ugly solution. Ichthyostega wrote: Question: what is the format of your original footage? DV? As mentioned above, the original is Cinelerras YUV4MPEG. Or pick your choice. Question: have you tried using the original footage (without transcoding) in a quicktime container? Maybe after transcoding the audio to PCM? for example something like Since some of you seem to have good experience with DV, I went for it, and created a DV file using the following command: mencoder - -audiofile audio.wav -oac pcm -ovc libdv -of lavf -vf scale=720:480,harddup -lavfopts format=mov:i_certify_that_my_video_stream_does_not_use_b_frames -o "transcoded.mov" Two remarks: (1) Since this is actually YUV4MPEG rendering, the audio is taken from audio.wav. This is the way I work ed previously (and all the time), but spared this detail in my previous post. (2) DV is not a generic solution, since the mencoder codec (and possibly any codec) requires the output to be 720x480 or 720x576. The bottom line is that I got a 4.5GB file (21 minutes, remember?) which was playable with (Windows) Quicktime. With Cinelerra something went wrong, causing the audio channels to appear really weird (maybe because the audio channels were detected as big endian?). So I ended up with a file which is very hard to handle, and which Cinelerra itself doesn't import well. This is sort-of back to square one. - Now you may ask why I'm bugging you all, if I have a workaround. The answer is, that since mencoder almost always manages to read any crazy video you give it, and transcode it consistently and cleanly to anything else, I'm looking for one, single, high-quality format to feed Cinelerra with, and make all video oddities, A/V sync in particular, a thing of the past. As long as the video is short, both MPEG-2 and MJPEG do well. But when the video gets longer? Eli -- Web: http://www.billauer.co.il ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Colour correction
flavio, thanks for this very valuable information. i guess people would estimate if you could include it into the manual at some appropriate location, e.g. as a note to the "effects" chapter. cheers, georg On Tuesday 09 September 2008 18:41:40 flavio wrote: > Hi, there, > > > When I colour correct/manage whatever movie I'm doing, I always face the > same problems. With time, I've figured out a workaroud for both cases that > somewhat take time but become very precise and eventually compensate at the > end. > > For colour management, I use mostly brigh/cont, hue/sat, col bal and > videoscope (still, 4 effects!). What I do is: > - I create an additional video track, above or between the ones I am adding > the effect to. Then I name it "garbage" or "delete it!" or anything that > will let me know this is a temporary track; > - I copy/paste one asset - or series os assets that may have similar > light/colour conditions - to this track. If you double-click the asset, you > can (in this order) copy, mute it, move your mouse to the next track and > SHIFT-TAB it, and paste the video there. You'll realize all this is done > via shortcuts, so it's repetitive but somehow easy and > not-that-time-consuming; - I add the effects, keyframe them, finish > whatever I have to do with the asset regarding effects; > - Now here is the trick: I copy/mute/arm/paste it in the previous track. > Whenever you do that repeatedly, the video effects will be pasted besides > the other ones! It won't go down forever like when you just insert new > effects in a track - they remain as if the track had only, say, 4 effects! > So I'll just do that till the end of the movie and the whole track will > have effects related to each separate asset but occupy a space as if we had > only inserted four effects in the whole timeline! > > Now, the other process, when I have to precisely correct the colour of a > video, I use Gimp-Gap. I talked to Raffa once about this: gimp is way more > precise to do a proper colour correction of any image - and gimp-gap is > fine for videos. You'd then have to render it as uncompressed YUV and open > it in Gimp-Gap, colour correct it and re-export it. > > For the last year, I've been reading some technical books on photography > (btw, I can recommend Ansel Adams books and Ron Bigelow's articles at his > website for anyone interested in the subject) and was trying to find a > precise and safe way to guarantee a proper correction of colour casts. To > me, Cinelerra's histogram or white balance funcion are not precise the way > they have to be (note that I'm not talking about the colour coherence in > the video, as we can use Videoscope for that with very nice results). If > they could be integrated to gimp/gimp-gap to colour-correct (as an effect, > for example), it would be an immense and most-welcome evolution in this > area. > > The bad thing about this process, as you can imagine, is that it takes way > too much time, so I only do it in extreme cases, when I really want the > thing to be perfect, so be warned =) > > rock on, > flavio -- dr. kurt georg hooss kurts film / schoepfung & wandel breite strasse 6-8, d-23552 luebeck kurts-film.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Colour correction
Hi, there, When I colour correct/manage whatever movie I'm doing, I always face the same problems. With time, I've figured out a workaroud for both cases that somewhat take time but become very precise and eventually compensate at the end. For colour management, I use mostly brigh/cont, hue/sat, col bal and videoscope (still, 4 effects!). What I do is: - I create an additional video track, above or between the ones I am adding the effect to. Then I name it "garbage" or "delete it!" or anything that will let me know this is a temporary track; - I copy/paste one asset - or series os assets that may have similar light/colour conditions - to this track. If you double-click the asset, you can (in this order) copy, mute it, move your mouse to the next track and SHIFT-TAB it, and paste the video there. You'll realize all this is done via shortcuts, so it's repetitive but somehow easy and not-that-time-consuming; - I add the effects, keyframe them, finish whatever I have to do with the asset regarding effects; - Now here is the trick: I copy/mute/arm/paste it in the previous track. Whenever you do that repeatedly, the video effects will be pasted besides the other ones! It won't go down forever like when you just insert new effects in a track - they remain as if the track had only, say, 4 effects! So I'll just do that till the end of the movie and the whole track will have effects related to each separate asset but occupy a space as if we had only inserted four effects in the whole timeline! Now, the other process, when I have to precisely correct the colour of a video, I use Gimp-Gap. I talked to Raffa once about this: gimp is way more precise to do a proper colour correction of any image - and gimp-gap is fine for videos. You'd then have to render it as uncompressed YUV and open it in Gimp-Gap, colour correct it and re-export it. For the last year, I've been reading some technical books on photography (btw, I can recommend Ansel Adams books and Ron Bigelow's articles at his website for anyone interested in the subject) and was trying to find a precise and safe way to guarantee a proper correction of colour casts. To me, Cinelerra's histogram or white balance funcion are not precise the way they have to be (note that I'm not talking about the colour coherence in the video, as we can use Videoscope for that with very nice results). If they could be integrated to gimp/gimp-gap to colour-correct (as an effect, for example), it would be an immense and most-welcome evolution in this area. The bad thing about this process, as you can imagine, is that it takes way too much time, so I only do it in extreme cases, when I really want the thing to be perfect, so be warned =) rock on, flavio
Re: [CinCV] bring cin4 changes to svn?
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 13:27 +0200, Odin Omdal Hørthe wrote: > Well, the titler in the video editing programs aren't of much use. The > titler in Final Cut Pro sucks hard and long too. That's why I use > inkscape to make the titles for both FCP and Cinelerra. :-) I love the titler. I'm sure there are limitations on what you can do with it, but it works for everything I need... and combined with the perspective distort plugin, you can create "Star Wars" style crawls like this one I did for my friend's birthday: http://rentroll.googlepages.com/simon.avi -- Peter B. Steiger Cheyenne, WY ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] bring cin4 changes to svn?
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Kurt Georg Hooss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > admittedly, the titler seems not to be Cinelerra's strongest feature. > Create the titles in OpenOffice and Gimp (or some other external program), > then import as still image that can be panned and zoomed in cinelerra. Well, the titler in the video editing programs aren't of much use. The titler in Final Cut Pro sucks hard and long too. That's why I use inkscape to make the titles for both FCP and Cinelerra. :-) So you can easily move to Cinelerra now ;-) -- Beste helsing, Odin Hørthe Omdal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.velmont.net ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: Cinelerra digest, Vol 1 #2385 - 5 msgs
Hi, I've started with creation of some icons, but it doesn't caused much noise, so I have not continued with it. Take a look for some of them: http://blender6xx.ic.cz/pub/Lumiera_icons/ (They're made using Inkscape, so SVG's are also available. 2008/9/5 solaris manzur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > i think one of the things we could do with cinelerra it is that we must make > it interface completedly based in python y GTK and make its icons > completedly new, i can help with the las point, so if you thing it is a good > idea, please be in contact. bye and god bless you all!!! > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
