Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
I use cinelerra with a dual head setup on a nvidia 7800GT configured as Xinerama (configured by sax2 on my suse system). It has always worked absolutely fine, and fullscreening the compositor doesn't cause me any problems... Herman Robak wrote: On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:02:15 +0200, xi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe that what Christian tells you is that you should not use xinerama but only dual-head setup with separate X display (what you refered as 2 : Separate X screen) However cinelerra works flawlessly with xinerama, but you must use a xinerama aware window manager. KDE works really really well nowadays with xinerama. I use cinelerra with xinerama and 3 matrox cards. KDE window manager offers advanced configuration for xinerama ; each cinelerra window is aware of each screen size so maximize and others things works. Do you ever toggle fullscreen display of the Compositor? That was what broke the worst on my setup. I have an NVidia Quatro card, and used the default GNOME window manager installed with Debian. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
Herman Robak wrote: On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:02:15 +0200, xi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe that what Christian tells you is that you should not use xinerama but only dual-head setup with separate X display (what you refered as 2 : Separate X screen) However cinelerra works flawlessly with xinerama, but you must use a xinerama aware window manager. KDE works really really well nowadays with xinerama. I use cinelerra with xinerama and 3 matrox cards. KDE window manager offers advanced configuration for xinerama ; each cinelerra window is aware of each screen size so maximize and others things works. Do you ever toggle fullscreen display of the Compositor? That was what broke the worst on my setup. I have an NVidia Quatro card, and used the default GNOME window manager installed with Debian. Hi, You are right, I have just tested it (I don't use this) and fullscreen doesn't work... (it creates a black windows that covers about half of my xinerama desktop) It looks really strange because I can't even get any property on this window (while I can on any other fullscreen window like mplayer, xine) However, everything else works (maximizing, "magnetic" borders and so on) Xavier ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 20:02:15 +0200, xi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I believe that what Christian tells you is that you should not use xinerama but only dual-head setup with separate X display (what you refered as 2 : Separate X screen) However cinelerra works flawlessly with xinerama, but you must use a xinerama aware window manager. KDE works really really well nowadays with xinerama. I use cinelerra with xinerama and 3 matrox cards. KDE window manager offers advanced configuration for xinerama ; each cinelerra window is aware of each screen size so maximize and others things works. Do you ever toggle fullscreen display of the Compositor? That was what broke the worst on my setup. I have an NVidia Quatro card, and used the default GNOME window manager installed with Debian. -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
Aha! O.K. thanks :-) On Monday, 14. April 2008 19:54:31 Christian Thaeter wrote: > Kurt Georg Hooss wrote: > > thanks for replying, though i am not sure wether i understand... > > what you write would mean i use xinerama (one big virtual screen)... > > but the device configuration options offered by nvidia-settings are: > > > > 1. Disabled, > > 2. Separate X screen (requires X restart), > > thats dualhead in nvidia-speak > > > 3. Twinscreen (this is what I choose for working in cinelerra). > > thats xinerama in nvidia-speak > > > any dualhead option does not seem available, > > maybe you have an ati card? with different terminology? > > or how else do you configure your setup? directly in xorg.conf? > > I used the x11/xfree/xorg terminology > > Christian > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- dr. kurt georg hooss kurts film / schoepfung & wandel breite strasse 6-8, d-23617 luebeck kurts-film.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
I believe that what Christian tells you is that you should not use xinerama but only dual-head setup with separate X display (what you refered as 2 : Separate X screen) However cinelerra works flawlessly with xinerama, but you must use a xinerama aware window manager. KDE works really really well nowadays with xinerama. I use cinelerra with xinerama and 3 matrox cards. KDE window manager offers advanced configuration for xinerama ; each cinelerra window is aware of each screen size so maximize and others things works. Hope this helps, Xavier Kurt Georg Hooss wrote: thanks for replying, though i am not sure wether i understand... what you write would mean i use xinerama (one big virtual screen)... but the device configuration options offered by nvidia-settings are: 1. Disabled, 2. Separate X screen (requires X restart), 3. Twinscreen (this is what I choose for working in cinelerra). any dualhead option does not seem available, maybe you have an ati card? with different terminology? or how else do you configure your setup? directly in xorg.conf? cheers georg On Monday, 14. April 2008 10:42:29 Christian Thaeter wrote: Kurt Georg Hooss wrote: well... i CAN move windows between the screens, even have windows half on one screen and half on the other (wich may be useful in some rare cases). i use nvidia settings, configure the second monitor to "twinscreen". graphics card: MSI GeForce 6600, 256 MB, two QXGA monitors (2048x1536). so i wonder why it should not work in christians setup... because there is a difference between xinerama and dualhead: * xinerama accumulates 2 or more monitors as one big screen (simplified, the concept has some quirks) * dualhead makes 2 or more monitors independent screens. Generally I like dualhead setups more, but that is matter of personal preference, and what software one wants to use. Some programs and windowmanagers are notoriously known for breaking on xinerama. It also depends somewhat on the hardware you have, some (lower) end graphics boards can use xv or opengl only on one screen or xinerama screens give a big performance bottleneck because of the high res. sure this this chain of devices may seem a bit cumbersome. also, as soon as the framerate drops below 25fps, the picture looks buggy. so the material must be rendered before this method makes sense. actually i think a professional pipeline needs a for reference tv screen. however the graphics card supports only two devices at a time. and i never had the time to test with a second card. Some allow a third device and route that out on a S-Video socket, that was my intention, use that for a reference TV compatible signal, I just didn't played to figure out a suitable pal-compatible modeline yet. Christian ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
Kurt Georg Hooss wrote: > thanks for replying, though i am not sure wether i understand... > what you write would mean i use xinerama (one big virtual screen)... > but the device configuration options offered by nvidia-settings are: > > 1. Disabled, > 2. Separate X screen (requires X restart), thats dualhead in nvidia-speak > 3. Twinscreen (this is what I choose for working in cinelerra). thats xinerama in nvidia-speak > > any dualhead option does not seem available, > maybe you have an ati card? with different terminology? > or how else do you configure your setup? directly in xorg.conf? I used the x11/xfree/xorg terminology Christian ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
thanks for replying, though i am not sure wether i understand... what you write would mean i use xinerama (one big virtual screen)... but the device configuration options offered by nvidia-settings are: 1. Disabled, 2. Separate X screen (requires X restart), 3. Twinscreen (this is what I choose for working in cinelerra). any dualhead option does not seem available, maybe you have an ati card? with different terminology? or how else do you configure your setup? directly in xorg.conf? cheers georg On Monday, 14. April 2008 10:42:29 Christian Thaeter wrote: > Kurt Georg Hooss wrote: > > well... i CAN move windows between the screens, > > even have windows half on one screen and half on the other > > (wich may be useful in some rare cases). > > > > i use nvidia settings, configure the second monitor to "twinscreen". > > graphics card: MSI GeForce 6600, 256 MB, two QXGA monitors (2048x1536). > > so i wonder why it should not work in christians setup... > > because there is a difference between xinerama and dualhead: > * xinerama accumulates 2 or more monitors as one big screen >(simplified, the concept has some quirks) > * dualhead makes 2 or more monitors independent screens. > > Generally I like dualhead setups more, but that is matter of personal > preference, and what software one wants to use. Some programs and > windowmanagers are notoriously known for breaking on xinerama. > > It also depends somewhat on the hardware you have, some (lower) end > graphics boards can use xv or opengl only on one screen or xinerama > screens give a big performance bottleneck because of the high res. > > > sure this this chain of devices may seem a bit cumbersome. > > also, as soon as the framerate drops below 25fps, the picture looks > > buggy. so the material must be rendered before this method makes sense. > > > > actually i think a professional pipeline needs a for reference tv screen. > > however the graphics card supports only two devices at a time. > > and i never had the time to test with a second card. > > Some allow a third device and route that out on a S-Video socket, that > was my intention, use that for a reference TV compatible signal, I just > didn't played to figure out a suitable pal-compatible modeline yet. > > Christian > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- dr. kurt georg hooss kurts film / schoepfung & wandel breite strasse 6-8, d-23617 luebeck kurts-film.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
Kurt Georg Hooss wrote: > well... i CAN move windows between the screens, > even have windows half on one screen and half on the other > (wich may be useful in some rare cases). > > i use nvidia settings, configure the second monitor to "twinscreen". > graphics card: MSI GeForce 6600, 256 MB, two QXGA monitors (2048x1536). > so i wonder why it should not work in christians setup... because there is a difference between xinerama and dualhead: * xinerama accumulates 2 or more monitors as one big screen (simplified, the concept has some quirks) * dualhead makes 2 or more monitors independent screens. Generally I like dualhead setups more, but that is matter of personal preference, and what software one wants to use. Some programs and windowmanagers are notoriously known for breaking on xinerama. It also depends somewhat on the hardware you have, some (lower) end graphics boards can use xv or opengl only on one screen or xinerama screens give a big performance bottleneck because of the high res. > sure this this chain of devices may seem a bit cumbersome. > also, as soon as the framerate drops below 25fps, the picture looks buggy. > so the material must be rendered before this method makes sense. > > actually i think a professional pipeline needs a for reference tv screen. > however the graphics card supports only two devices at a time. > and i never had the time to test with a second card. Some allow a third device and route that out on a S-Video socket, that was my intention, use that for a reference TV compatible signal, I just didn't played to figure out a suitable pal-compatible modeline yet. Christian ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
well... i CAN move windows between the screens, even have windows half on one screen and half on the other (wich may be useful in some rare cases). i use nvidia settings, configure the second monitor to "twinscreen". graphics card: MSI GeForce 6600, 256 MB, two QXGA monitors (2048x1536). so i wonder why it should not work in christians setup... the only annoyance is that kaffeine would show up in double width so the picture is totally distorted. the only workaround: start kaffeine *before* switching to twinscreen... for watching the output on a pal screen, i connect an old tv set to the camcorder (analogue, 3 plugs) and set cinelerra graphics driver to "ieee 1394" (firewire). sure this this chain of devices may seem a bit cumbersome. also, as soon as the framerate drops below 25fps, the picture looks buggy. so the material must be rendered before this method makes sense. actually i think a professional pipeline needs a for reference tv screen. however the graphics card supports only two devices at a time. and i never had the time to test with a second card. cheers georg > Cinelerra works fine with 'normal' dual head setup and not xinerama. > That is, one Xserver driving 2 (or more) independent displays. > Advantages disadvantages: > + Displays can have very diffrent resolutions/color depths > + Almost all window managers handle it right > - You cant move windows between the screens > - Windows can't span screens > > > Configured is it somewhat like following (xorg.conf): > > Section "ServerLayout" > Identifier "Default Layout" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" > InputDevice"Generic Keyboard" > InputDevice"Configured Mouse" > EndSection > > Section "ServerFlags" > Option "Xinerama" "0" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Unknown" > ModelName "Iiyama PLB2403WS" > HorizSync 30.0 - 83.0 > VertRefresh 56.0 - 76.0 > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor1" > VendorName "Unknown" > ModelName "IQT L19T" > HorizSync 31.0 - 79.0 > VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard0" > Driver "nvidia" > VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" > BoardName "GeForce 7300 GS" > BusID "PCI:2:0:0" > Screen 0 > EndSection > > Section "Device" > Identifier "Videocard1" > Driver "nvidia" > VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" > BoardName "GeForce 7300 GS" > BusID "PCI:2:0:0" > Screen 1 > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Videocard0" > Monitor"Monitor0" > DefaultDepth24 > Option "TwinView" "0" > Option "metamodes" "DFP: 1920x1200 +0+0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen1" > Device "Videocard1" > Monitor"Monitor1" > DefaultDepth24 > Option "TwinView" "0" > Option "metamodes" "CRT: nvidia-auto-select +0+0" > EndSection > > Note that I used the the nvidia tool to set this up, but should be > doable manually with other cards as well. > > After that you go to cinelerras preferences and change "Display for > Compositor" to ":0.1" .. that is server 0, screen 1, restart cin and it > should work. > > Alternatively it might be possible to start 2 xservers, but likely a > waste of resources and not much easier to setup. Then you enter "Display > for Compositor" to ":1" in cinelerras preferences. > > Btw anyone have a modeline to drive a 2nd screen in PAL mode? that would > be interesting for Fullscreen editing ... or even make a 3rd screen > which is then the 'S-Video' output of the graphic card driven in PAL. > That should give exact video preview \o/. > > Christian > > > --Herman Robak > > > > ___ > > Cinelerra mailing list > > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- dr. kurt georg hooss kurts film / schoepfung & wandel breite strasse 6-8, d-23617 luebeck kurts-film.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
Herman Robak wrote: > Recently I tried out Xinerama on my Opteron workhorse. > Moving windows between screens was fun, but Cinelerra > had focus issues and other annoyances. > > In particular, if I had placed the Compositor in the > "second" screen, the pressed "f" to maximise it to > fullscreen mode, it would always go fullscreen in the > "first" screen. Not only that, but the "fullscreen" > overlay would have the resolution of the second screen. > > Cinelerra seems blissfully unaware of Xinerama, and fails > completely to Do The Right Things in Xinerama. > > Any brilliant ideas? Cinelerra works fine with 'normal' dual head setup and not xinerama. That is, one Xserver driving 2 (or more) independent displays. Advantages disadvantages: + Displays can have very diffrent resolutions/color depths + Almost all window managers handle it right - You cant move windows between the screens - Windows can't span screens Configured is it somewhat like following (xorg.conf): Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Default Layout" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 Screen 1 "Screen1" RightOf "Screen0" InputDevice"Generic Keyboard" InputDevice"Configured Mouse" EndSection Section "ServerFlags" Option "Xinerama" "0" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Iiyama PLB2403WS" HorizSync 30.0 - 83.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 76.0 EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor1" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "IQT L19T" HorizSync 31.0 - 79.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 75.0 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard0" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "GeForce 7300 GS" BusID "PCI:2:0:0" Screen 0 EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "Videocard1" Driver "nvidia" VendorName "NVIDIA Corporation" BoardName "GeForce 7300 GS" BusID "PCI:2:0:0" Screen 1 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Videocard0" Monitor"Monitor0" DefaultDepth24 Option "TwinView" "0" Option "metamodes" "DFP: 1920x1200 +0+0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen1" Device "Videocard1" Monitor"Monitor1" DefaultDepth24 Option "TwinView" "0" Option "metamodes" "CRT: nvidia-auto-select +0+0" EndSection Note that I used the the nvidia tool to set this up, but should be doable manually with other cards as well. After that you go to cinelerras preferences and change "Display for Compositor" to ":0.1" .. that is server 0, screen 1, restart cin and it should work. Alternatively it might be possible to start 2 xservers, but likely a waste of resources and not much easier to setup. Then you enter "Display for Compositor" to ":1" in cinelerras preferences. Btw anyone have a modeline to drive a 2nd screen in PAL mode? that would be interesting for Fullscreen editing ... or even make a 3rd screen which is then the 'S-Video' output of the graphic card driven in PAL. That should give exact video preview \o/. Christian > > --Herman Robak > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Cinelerra doesn't understand Xinerama well, or at all.
Recently I tried out Xinerama on my Opteron workhorse. Moving windows between screens was fun, but Cinelerra had focus issues and other annoyances. In particular, if I had placed the Compositor in the "second" screen, the pressed "f" to maximise it to fullscreen mode, it would always go fullscreen in the "first" screen. Not only that, but the "fullscreen" overlay would have the resolution of the second screen. Cinelerra seems blissfully unaware of Xinerama, and fails completely to Do The Right Things in Xinerama. Any brilliant ideas? -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
