Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
On Thu, 2009-04-02 at 12:41 -0400, Aaron Newcomb wrote:
> >> virtual int
> >> FileMOV::read_frame(VFrame*):quicktime_read_frame/quicktime_decode_video
> >> failed, result*
> >
> Is there any way to suppress this message? I am setting up a demo
> system on a CD or USB stick and don't want this message disturbing the
> people trying it out.
>
Comment this block of code in filemov.C and recompile
>>if (result)
>>{
>>eprintf("quicktime_read_frame/quicktime_decode_video
failed, result:\n");
>>}
Should be line 1025.
scott
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Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
>> virtual int >> FileMOV::read_frame(VFrame*):quicktime_read_frame/quicktime_decode_video >> failed, result* > Is there any way to suppress this message? I am setting up a demo system on a CD or USB stick and don't want this message disturbing the people trying it out. -- Thanks, Aaron Newcomb http://www.thesourceshow.org ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
After spending another two - three hours, I have found the following tip! The version of cinelerra I was using was compiled last May 2008 and that version would not work with .AVI files. I checked with yumex and found a later version dated Nov 2008. I uninstalled the May 2008 version and installed the latest version (2.1-21.git20081103.fc9). This new version fixes a few bugs, most notability the inability to work with .avi files. Well lets not celebrate too quickly. Sometimes when I work with a .avi file on the timeline this error is generated: I'm not sure what your Linux experience is so forgive me if you are way beyond this tip - a gotcha that gotme early on with cinelerra. A install old packaged cinelerra B compile/install new cinelerra C install even newer packaged cinelerra type 'cinelerra' and you end up running version B not version C. Or some variation on that... It's worth doing a search through your filesystem for 'cinelerra' copies if you are not a Linux old-hand and this may have happened. Packaged versions of cinelerra tend to get installed in /usr/bin and compiled versions in /usr/local/bin or some other place. This problem is true with most Linux apps but -for me- Cinelerra was one of the first apps where I compiled my own and fiddled with multiple versions to get what I needed. Graham ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
Jeff Gerritsen wrote: However, the popping is gone, and when I select a section to render, the rendered file has no popping noises. I'm using the original uncoverted .avi file I experienced popping noises when I converted the .avi file to .dv using ffmpeg. I also used the same time marks in the .avi file, that the popping noises existed in the converted .dv file. The only difference is I'm using the unconverted .avi file instead of the converted .dv file. So to sum everything up, we've fixed several issues, but have a seemly "benign" intermittent error message that all one needs to do is click okay and continue. I may know what your problem is. DV format handling in Cinelerra-cv had such popping noises until some stage in the last 12 to 18 months when this problem was fixed (by Richard Baverstock I think). Putting the DV into a container format such as quicktime/mov or avi was the known workaround to avoid this popping prior to the dv bug fix being committed to svn. Any new cinelerra-cv version shouldn't have this problem. Personally I now find 'native' dv format very convenient to work with - and I have an cinelerra-cv checked out from the svn some 6 months ago. From what you are saying above - you might attribute the popping to the ffmpeg conversion from dv to avi/dv - but actually the issue, in the past, was with Cinelerra-cv. So you could conclude that, for cinelerra-cv, dv in an avi or mov container is handled by a different back-end than straight dv. Basically I think cinelerra has its own dv handler. I don't know if you are using cinelerra-cv or cinelerra from heroine virtual. It is possible the the popping fix never made it upstream to cinelerra- HV - I wouldn't know. If you have a new version of cinelerra-cv try one of those old dv files and you might find it is now working perfect. virtual int FileMOV::read_frame(VFrame*):quicktime_read_frame/quicktime_decode_video failed, result* This is a very annoying bug even if 'benign'. I come across it all the time. I'm pretty sure it is well bug-reported. I wouldn't worry removing your pulse audio support unless you come across actual problems in your own setup. Fixing problems that are there is troublesome enough! High Quality FOSS video editing is history in the making - I like to use and watch Cinelerra and the Lumiera project because something really exciting for the whole world is coming together here. I do sometimes wonder what I might be achieving if I instead focussed on productivity (by using FCP) - but, for one thing, that would require me to pirate and crack software and I find the whole experience demoralising. cheers Graham ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
Teardrop. you have hit the nail on the head so to speak. And I'm just a guilty as the next person for wanting open source and not donating to the cause. However, I'm an out of work business application programmer who saw his career outsource to India, I have very little money to work with. These are tough economic times indeed. If we could setup a funding source for Cinelerra development I think that would help tremendously in producing a world class outstanding product. I think of open office and its successes for example. Jeff Gerritsen On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 11:32 +0200, teard...@kiberpipa.org wrote: > hi > > I'm not an avid open source supporter, but I know one thing - if 10 > people who paid for FCP license, were to divert that money into > Cinelerra development, it would fare far better. > > Scott C. Frase pravi: > > ... buy a dual quad core Mac with Final Cut > > Pro/Avid/yada yada yada and be happy that everything works out of the box. > > ... > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
I have an AMD Athlon 4600+X2 w/4GB RAM on an Asustek M2N4SLI MB. I don't know if I'm pushing the envelope, but sometimes Cinelerra has a little trouble with "heavy lifting" when I keep adding effects on top of videos on top of more effects. Here's the latest one I did: http://www.metacafe.com/watch/2636383/storm_nlp/ As you can tell, I used lots of chroma key between 3 layers of video. Cinelerra kept dragging more and more as threw more "rocks" on its back. The timing was getting thrown off, so I had to keep stopping and starting the composite playback to find my insertion points. It was reaching a point where it seemed to be saying "no mas, no mas" because it didn't even want to play videos in the preview window properly. I figure that I need more processor power, so I thought I would do it a favor by rendering a .mov, then use that as a separate layer for further editing. Cinelerra couldn't play it's own rendered .mov. I know that it was 65 MB unoptimized .mov, but that was strange to me. I had to satisfy myself with only 3 layers of video. (Unfortunately, my brainwave entrainment video doesn't flash properly on any video server, so it's choppy rather than flashy.) The web cut the power of that video in half, but I'm pretty satisfied with the final product. If I put it on a DVD, I'm pretty sure it could rip a few heads off. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
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Scott and el al, Thanks for the tips. As I digest the tips and comments I come to the following conclusion(s) (and it maybe the best solution, and I can use a kvm switch to reduce the computer peripherals costs): 1. Build a new linux box, load a 64 bit operating system distro. 2. Dedicate this box only to cinelerra and run the 64 bit version. 3. This means to compile the latest version from svn. 4. Optimize this box for Cinelerra only. That is only install the needed operating system and features that cinelerra needs. No more no less. After reading a prior email comment regarding their pain and suffering with Adobe Premier, maybe Cinelerra is not so bad after all! After spending another two - three hours, I have found the following tip! The version of cinelerra I was using was compiled last May 2008 and that version would not work with .AVI files. I checked with yumex and found a later version dated Nov 2008. I uninstalled the May 2008 version and installed the latest version (2.1-21.git20081103.fc9). This new version fixes a few bugs, most notability the inability to work with .avi files. Well lets not celebrate too quickly. Sometimes when I work with a .avi file on the timeline this error is generated: virtual int FileMOV::read_frame(VFrame*):quicktime_read_frame/quicktime_decode_video failed, result* However, the popping is gone, and when I select a section to render, the rendered file has no popping noises. I'm using the original uncoverted .avi file I experienced popping noises when I converted the .avi file to .dv using ffmpeg. I also used the same time marks in the .avi file, that the popping noises existed in the converted .dv file. The only difference is I'm using the unconverted .avi file instead of the converted .dv file. So to sum everything up, we've fixed several issues, but have a seemly "benign" intermittent error message that all one needs to do is click okay and continue. Regarding removing the pulse audio support I haven't taken the plunge yet. This seems to add more weight to creating a separate box for video editing only, as I don't know what other modules I have loaded that use pulse audio as a dependency. This maybe a moot issue (after installing the latest version), although, I just don't know for sure. To sum everything up, if I had a paying video gig, I think I would just purchase a Mac and Final Cut Pro and be done with the headaches I'm currently experiencing! Finally, thanks to all of those people who tirelessly work to solve these issues we run into and forward your tips on this list server and web pages you create -- you have saved me many frustrating hours -- a BIG THANK YOU TO ALL OF YOU! Jeff Gerritsen On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 09:42 -0400, Scott C. Frase wrote: > Jeff, > I had some popping noises related to PulseAudio. I removed PulseAudio > (yum remove pulseaudio in Fedora) and the popping went away. > > scott > > On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Jeff Gerritsen wrote: > > > You know Scott, > > I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to > > spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest > > distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in > > cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way through > > an hour long video I'm editing.. > > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
Rafael Diniz wrote: > As you mentioned SGI/IRIX, did anybody tried compiling cinelerra in Irix? No, but I used to want to. :) Now that I've got some experience building stuff (working on Mixxx) I might give it a shot. But I only have O2s which aren't very speedy by today's standards. (Anyone want to buy one? I have a 1600SW and interface card to go with one too!) Sean Pappalardo <<->> This E-Mail message has been scanned for viruses and cleared by >>SmartMail<< from Smarter Technology, Inc. <<->> ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
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Just to tell about my experience w/ cinelerra: I use cinelerra in my Athlon 2400+ w/ 512Mb of RAM, in a slackware 12.2 system and I always could end up my projects in a nice way. One thing I always recommend to people is to never overwrite the project xml file, in a way that if something goes wrong w/ the xml, you can pick the latest good one. Another tricky stuff is the buggy OSS emulation of the linux kernel - sometimes when using the OSS driver in cinelerra, A/V looses sync, so always use ALSA when using ALSA driver system (4Front OSS 4.1 works perfect). Also the video driver can mess things up, so pick the one that works for you, and let the "Play every frame" box not marked. We also use cinelerra in our TV Station and it works ok. Cinelerra is great, is just a matter on how to deal w/ it's bugs. As you mentioned SGI/IRIX, did anybody tried compiling cinelerra in Irix? bye, rafael diniz > Wow, this thread has garnered quite some response. > > For the record, I've been using Cinelerra occasionally (since I don't > have much video work recently) on an HP xw9300 workstation (2x Dual-core > Opteron with 2GB RAM) running Debian Lenny (now Squeeze) AMD64 kernel & > packages. Using the AMD64 Cinelerra package from Valentina Messeri's > repo and debian-multimedia's AMD64 repo to fill in the gaps. > > I've been quite pleased with Cinelerra on this system. Yes there are a > couple bugs with some effects, and you have to save often (thankfully > it's one keystroke (s) so I do it after almost every successful edit) > but once you get into that habit, it's very usable. (I usually start > Cinelerra from a command prompt so I can 1) see why it crashed if it > does and 2) restart it with two keystrokes (cursor up & Enter.)) > > Heroine Virtual even says that Cinelerra is more stable in 64-bit than > 32. In fact, I purchased the workstation I did due to their system > requirements. > > I'm also coming from Adobe Premiere 4.2 on SGI/IRIX, and if you want to > talk about buggy...I had so many workarounds for bugs on that thing it > was a large project just to do a slide show video (having to render > stills differently than motion due to artifacts, then trying to join > them later in a way that didn't mess up the field order, with really > only Motion JPEG-A Quicktime as a choice since all the other codecs were > buggy in one way or another! Oy!) What took me a day or more on that > takes me minutes on Cinelerra, so I don't mind the occasional crash, > especially with the console output to see what went wrong. > > My 2c. > > Sincerely, > Sean M. Pappalardo ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
Sean M. Pappalardo wrote: Wow, this thread has garnered quite some response. I happen to be following the vlc mailing list, and there seem to be some of the same kind of problems, that upgrading to newer versions etc. gives various problems. Here is the address of a vlc archive: http://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/vlc/ ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
Sean M. Pappalardo wrote: Wow, this thread has garnered quite some response. For the record, I've been using Cinelerra occasionally (since I don't have much video work recently) on an HP xw9300 workstation (2x Dual-core Opteron with 2GB RAM) running Debian Lenny (now Squeeze) AMD64 kernel & packages. Using the AMD64 Cinelerra package from Valentina Messeri's repo and debian-multimedia's AMD64 repo to fill in the gaps. I've been quite pleased with Cinelerra on this system. Yes there are a couple bugs with some effects, and you have to save often (thankfully it's one keystroke (s) so I do it after almost every successful edit) but once you get into that habit, it's very usable. (I usually start Cinelerra from a command prompt so I can 1) see why it crashed if it does and 2) restart it with two keystrokes (cursor up & Enter.)) Heroine Virtual even says that Cinelerra is more stable in 64-bit than 32. In fact, I purchased the workstation I did due to their system requirements. I'm also coming from Adobe Premiere 4.2 on SGI/IRIX, and if you want to talk about buggy...I had so many workarounds for bugs on that thing it was a large project just to do a slide show video (having to render stills differently than motion due to artifacts, then trying to join them later in a way that didn't mess up the field order, with really only Motion JPEG-A Quicktime as a choice since all the other codecs were buggy in one way or another! Oy!) What took me a day or more on that takes me minutes on Cinelerra, so I don't mind the occasional crash, especially with the console output to see what went wrong. My 2c. Sincerely, Sean M. Pappalardo <<->> This E-Mail message has been scanned for viruses and cleared by >>SmartMail<< from Smarter Technology, Inc. <<->> ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra I to came from Premiere to. After buying a new faster computer I tried to install premiere and found out that my Copy was outdated and would no longer install. This a program that cost me over $500 and was suddenly obsolete after 4 years. I have also been using Linux and doing video on Cinelerra with some struggles but at least it has not become obsolete. Even with it's problems I like it better than the O so sacred Premier. Using Premiere is much like painting by numbers as compared to the artistic feel of Cinelerra. I have been asked by several to explain this statement and I find it hard to do. How do you explain the feeling of artistic?? All I know is it feels more like I am doing art unlike doing a drawing in Cad which I have no quarrel with as compared to drawing on a piece of paper or painting in oils. So all I can say is I prefer Cinelerra and am looking forward to Lumiera with a little fear that with so many improvements it will loose it's artsy feel. That would be a shame. Doug ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
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Jeff, I had some popping noises related to PulseAudio. I removed PulseAudio (yum remove pulseaudio in Fedora) and the popping went away. scott On Sun, 29 Mar 2009, Jeff Gerritsen wrote: You know Scott, I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way through an hour long video I'm editing. And its not every video mind you. I would say about 80 percent of the time I never hear it. However when I convert a MPEG4 to DV using ffmpeg, about a half hour to 45 minutes into the video (while editing in cinelerra) it's there annoying as hell! HOWEVER, IF I PLAY THE ORIGINAL CONVERTED VIDEO IN MPLAYER -- NO POPPING! THE RENDERED VIDEO FROM CINELERRA -- ITS THERE. As far as I can tell, it's somewhat related to ffmpeg, however when I play the input video I'm editing with cinelerra in Mplayer, its fine. However in Cinelerra I hear what sounds like static pops. In the final rendered product I hear the popping noise both in Cinelerra and Mplayer. Adjusting the sampling rate to 44100 seems to help but does not eliminate the popping noises. This bug is maddening as hell as it is the same bug I encountered a year ago. A friend and I produce video work for a local cable access show that both of us co-host, and my friend keeps reminding me to just switch to windows tool set and be done with it. He keeps painfully reminding me of all of the time I spend and the relative "poor" quality product I produce. I spend valuable time just trying to find work a-rounds rather than perfecting video editing and production skills. After all I keep fighting these damn little bugs that were supposed to be taken care of over a year ago. Therefore I've just about ran out of patience with cinelerra. Even though I don't get paid to produce video work, the aggravation, marginal quality of work produced, and time wasted to find work a-rounds has finally gotten to me. I think its time to save up for a good Mac and final cut pro and be done with it! If anyone has any idea what the hell is causing this damn popping noise, I'd love to find out and solve this damn thing once and for all. Part of me doesn't want to "throw away" all this time I've invested. You know the psychology of previous investment we wrestle with. Here is the version of Cinelerra I'm using: Cinelerra 2.1CV 2.1 SVN svn20080514 RPMFusion For Fedora/EPEL .fc9.kwizart (C) 2006 Heroine Virtual Ltd. External ffmpeg Compiled on Thu May 15 17:28:19 EDT 2008 Thanks for any help folks, Jeff Gerritsen. On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 10:54 -0400, Scott C. Frase wrote: Folks, I will chime in here to simply say that Cinelerra is buggy in a consistent way. In other words, if you have the time and energy to figure out what works and what doesn't work, then you can base a workflow around that. But that effort is a huge time sink. It doesn't get any better when you upgrade your system, because what once worked in a previous distro will break in your new distro. So, you spend oodles of time figuring out how to fix it. It takes a certain kind of person who relishes the constant challenges of Cinelerra and Linux to power through these difficulties. Not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but you can get usable content out of Cinelerra if you know what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, save your valuable time and effort, buy a dual quad core Mac with Final Cut Pro/Avid/yada yada yada and be happy that everything works out of the box. scott http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
Wow, this thread has garnered quite some response. For the record, I've been using Cinelerra occasionally (since I don't have much video work recently) on an HP xw9300 workstation (2x Dual-core Opteron with 2GB RAM) running Debian Lenny (now Squeeze) AMD64 kernel & packages. Using the AMD64 Cinelerra package from Valentina Messeri's repo and debian-multimedia's AMD64 repo to fill in the gaps. I've been quite pleased with Cinelerra on this system. Yes there are a couple bugs with some effects, and you have to save often (thankfully it's one keystroke (s) so I do it after almost every successful edit) but once you get into that habit, it's very usable. (I usually start Cinelerra from a command prompt so I can 1) see why it crashed if it does and 2) restart it with two keystrokes (cursor up & Enter.)) Heroine Virtual even says that Cinelerra is more stable in 64-bit than 32. In fact, I purchased the workstation I did due to their system requirements. I'm also coming from Adobe Premiere 4.2 on SGI/IRIX, and if you want to talk about buggy...I had so many workarounds for bugs on that thing it was a large project just to do a slide show video (having to render stills differently than motion due to artifacts, then trying to join them later in a way that didn't mess up the field order, with really only Motion JPEG-A Quicktime as a choice since all the other codecs were buggy in one way or another! Oy!) What took me a day or more on that takes me minutes on Cinelerra, so I don't mind the occasional crash, especially with the console output to see what went wrong. My 2c. Sincerely, Sean M. Pappalardo <<->> This E-Mail message has been scanned for viruses and cleared by >>SmartMail<< from Smarter Technology, Inc. <<->> ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
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well... cinelerra is a way of life. like a woman. if you love her, she can give you a lot. but beware... she can turn you down when you don't expect it. georg On Monday 30 March 2009 09:48:31 Robert Persson wrote: > I've been lurking because I haven't really needed to do anything with > video in the last several months, but I'm finding this thread > interesting. Is it really just a case of accepting that Cinelerra > just isn't usable and never will be, and of waiting for Lumiera > to arrive and take its place? Or have I misunderstood? > > Robert > > Jeff Gerritsen a écrit : > > You know Scott, > > I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to > > spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest > > distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in > > cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way through > > an hour long video I'm editing. > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- dr. kurt georg hooss kurts film / schoepfung & wandel breite strasse 6-8, d-23552 luebeck tel. +49-(0)451-3003-474 (fax: -333) kurts-film.de ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
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It takes a certain kind of person who relishes the constant challenges of Cinelerra and Linux to power through these difficulties. Not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but you can get usable content out of Cinelerra if you know what works and what doesn't. correct :P Otherwise, save your valuable time and effort, buy a dual quad core Mac with Final Cut Pro/Avid/yada yada yada and be happy that everything works out of the box. and obviously this will break all of your dreams about telling all of your friends how cool is to work with linux. enjoy life! scott http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
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hi I'm not an avid open source supporter, but I know one thing - if 10 people who paid for FCP license, were to divert that money into Cinelerra development, it would fare far better. Scott C. Frase pravi: ... buy a dual quad core Mac with Final Cut Pro/Avid/yada yada yada and be happy that everything works out of the box. ... ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
I've been lurking because I haven't really needed to do anything with video in the last several months, but I'm finding this thread interesting. Is it really just a case of accepting that Cinelerra just isn't usable and never will be, and of waiting for Lumiera to arrive and take its place? Or have I misunderstood? Robert Jeff Gerritsen a écrit : > You know Scott, > I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to > spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest > distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in > cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way through > an hour long video I'm editing. > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
I've been lurking because I haven't really needed to do anything with video in the last several months, but I'm finding this thread interesting. Is it then really just a case of accepting that Cinelerra just isn't really usable and never will be, and of waiting for Lumiera to arrive and take its place? Or have I misunderstood? Robert Jeff Gerritsen a écrit : > You know Scott, > I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to > spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest > distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in > cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way through > an hour long video I'm editing. > ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
You know Scott, I've think I've reached that point. I'm tired of upgrading only to spend time figuring out all the things that got broke in the latest distro. Not to mention one very irritating and consistent bug in cinelerra - this damn popping noise that develops about half way through an hour long video I'm editing. And its not every video mind you. I would say about 80 percent of the time I never hear it. However when I convert a MPEG4 to DV using ffmpeg, about a half hour to 45 minutes into the video (while editing in cinelerra) it's there annoying as hell! HOWEVER, IF I PLAY THE ORIGINAL CONVERTED VIDEO IN MPLAYER -- NO POPPING! THE RENDERED VIDEO FROM CINELERRA -- ITS THERE. As far as I can tell, it's somewhat related to ffmpeg, however when I play the input video I'm editing with cinelerra in Mplayer, its fine. However in Cinelerra I hear what sounds like static pops. In the final rendered product I hear the popping noise both in Cinelerra and Mplayer. Adjusting the sampling rate to 44100 seems to help but does not eliminate the popping noises. This bug is maddening as hell as it is the same bug I encountered a year ago. A friend and I produce video work for a local cable access show that both of us co-host, and my friend keeps reminding me to just switch to windows tool set and be done with it. He keeps painfully reminding me of all of the time I spend and the relative "poor" quality product I produce. I spend valuable time just trying to find work a-rounds rather than perfecting video editing and production skills. After all I keep fighting these damn little bugs that were supposed to be taken care of over a year ago. Therefore I've just about ran out of patience with cinelerra. Even though I don't get paid to produce video work, the aggravation, marginal quality of work produced, and time wasted to find work a-rounds has finally gotten to me. I think its time to save up for a good Mac and final cut pro and be done with it! If anyone has any idea what the hell is causing this damn popping noise, I'd love to find out and solve this damn thing once and for all. Part of me doesn't want to "throw away" all this time I've invested. You know the psychology of previous investment we wrestle with. Here is the version of Cinelerra I'm using: Cinelerra 2.1CV 2.1 SVN svn20080514 RPMFusion For Fedora/EPEL .fc9.kwizart (C) 2006 Heroine Virtual Ltd. External ffmpeg Compiled on Thu May 15 17:28:19 EDT 2008 Thanks for any help folks, Jeff Gerritsen. On Sun, 2009-03-29 at 10:54 -0400, Scott C. Frase wrote: > Folks, > I will chime in here to simply say that Cinelerra is buggy in a consistent > way. In other words, if you have the time and energy to figure out what > works and what doesn't work, then you can base a workflow around > that. But that effort is a huge time sink. > > It doesn't get any better when you upgrade your system, because what once > worked in a previous distro will break in your new distro. So, you spend > oodles of time figuring out how to fix it. > > It takes a certain kind of person who relishes the constant challenges of > Cinelerra and Linux to power through these difficulties. Not everyone's > cup of tea for sure, but you can get usable content out of Cinelerra if > you know what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, save your valuable time > and effort, buy a dual quad core Mac with Final Cut Pro/Avid/yada yada > yada and be happy that everything works out of the box. > > scott > > http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com > > ___ > Cinelerra mailing list > Cinelerra@skolelinux.no > https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
Folks, I will chime in here to simply say that Cinelerra is buggy in a consistent way. In other words, if you have the time and energy to figure out what works and what doesn't work, then you can base a workflow around that. But that effort is a huge time sink. It doesn't get any better when you upgrade your system, because what once worked in a previous distro will break in your new distro. So, you spend oodles of time figuring out how to fix it. It takes a certain kind of person who relishes the constant challenges of Cinelerra and Linux to power through these difficulties. Not everyone's cup of tea for sure, but you can get usable content out of Cinelerra if you know what works and what doesn't. Otherwise, save your valuable time and effort, buy a dual quad core Mac with Final Cut Pro/Avid/yada yada yada and be happy that everything works out of the box. scott http://crazedmuleproductions.blogspot.com ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCV] Re: my incompetence or buggy as hell?
--- On Sat, 28 Mar 2009, Daniel Harris wrote: > > A) Cinelerra is extremely buggy > > > I would say it is extremely buggy. I would even go > further and say that if > you value your time forget about using cinelerra its that > unpredictable and > its possible to find a bug pretty much anywhere. On > the other hand its > pretty much the only nle for linux (I know there are others > but I have even > less success with them) so if you have plenty of time and > you are prepared > to find workarounds for every bug then it may be usable for > simple > projects. If I was a professional video editor or I > had to justify time or > money spent on a project, honestly, I wouldnt touch it with > a barge pole. > > Just my honest personal experiences - No more than that. > > Dan > In my own attempts to use Cinelerra, I too have found it very buggy and generally difficult to use. Also, having to use many different outside programs and scripts to produce anything useful is tedious. I like the concept. I was eventually able to get it working on one of my computers using Kubuntu 8.04 (KDE 3.x) AMD64, but not on my laptop using Kubuntu 8.10 (KDE 4.x), AMD 64. In principal, I prefer to use Open Source software in LINUX, but when it comes to getting the job done, I need something more reliable which is easier to use. I will keep coming back to Cinelerra to see if I can use it in the future, but in the meantime, of all the software (both proprietary and Open Source) that I have tried, despite its idiosyncrasies and faults, I guess I am stuck with Pinnacle Systems Studio on Windows. I haven't even begun to tap its capabilities, but it is very easy to work with and intuitive. However, it is not suitable for working with multiple video tracks (two is possible, but not more). I appreciate the efforts the developpers are devoting to producing a powerful, Open Source LINUX video editing system, but I think there is a long way to go. I also have a suggestion for the E-Mail list: either include the HTML stuff in a way that it will show up as HTML or strip it out. It is annoying to have the text followed by the HTML source text for the same message. A very good format for E-Mail list digests is that provided for Scribus (scribus.org). That one is very easy to read. Murray __ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
