Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)
Hi, On Monday 31 July 2006 12:07, Eric Seigne wrote: > For french lprod users i've made a new skin-plugin: > http://fr.lprod.org/wiki/doku.php?id=video:cinelerra:pluginlprod > > This is more "gnome look" but it's just a cinelerra skin. Wow! IMHO this is really good! Cause the normal cinelerra GUI scares many people away just because it looks so different. So this skin really helps! Is there anything french specific in it at all or can it be used for any language? regards, Holger pgpNQr845xFcG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:07:14 +0200 Eric Seigne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is more "gnome look" but it's just a cinelerra skin. Unfortunately a theme won't help. We need something that will radically change the interface and make it easier to understand and use. ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)
Le lundi 31 juillet 2006 à 13:02 +0300, Dimitrios a écrit : > On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:08:50 +0200 muzzol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i think best way to do all this kind of improvements is openning a bug > > for each one and work on it step by step. > > sure, i opened a new bug report: > > http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285 For french lprod users i've made a new skin-plugin: http://fr.lprod.org/wiki/doku.php?id=video:cinelerra:pluginlprod This is more "gnome look" but it's just a cinelerra skin. Éric -- Éric Seigne - Directeur| [EMAIL PROTECTED] RyXéo SARL | http://www.ryxeo.com Le Topaze - Entrée C, 2 rue Jean Bonnardel | tel +33 6 987 444 01 33140 Villenave d'Ornon - FRANCE | fax +33 5 567 542 59 ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:08:50 +0200 muzzol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think best way to do all this kind of improvements is openning a bug > for each one and work on it step by step. sure, i opened a new bug report: http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285 ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)
i think best way to do all this kind of improvements is openning a bug for each one and work on it step by step. 2006/7/31, Herman Robak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:09:05 +0200, Dimitrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Being realistic, i can see an alternative route: > > --> 2 interfaces! > > The user loads cinellera for the first time and gets a dialog: "Welcome > to cinellera, would you like the Basic Interface or the Expert > Interface?" Control question: At which point of time will the user be able to make the right choice? Hint: Not the first time. > In other words, we keep the current interface and just add a "lighter" > version along with it. All advanced features will only exist in the > "Expert Interface" while all the "Basic Interface" will have only the > simple features for working on simple projects. This is interesting. I would like a debate here about what the typical "beginner" user does, and what he needs. Based on that, we may come up with some assumptions about sensible defaults in the Preferences and Format dialogs. > The new "Basic Interface" can be designed for usability, with hints, > explanations and simple buttons. As intuitive and understandable as > possible. These features could benefit the "Expert" interface, too. Things that Cinelerra could advertise better: * Which tracks are affected by a selection or operation; different highlighting of armed and unarmed tracks, and maybe a short flash in the patchbay to remind the user "these are the armed tracks". * The consequences of "arming/disarming" tracks. For example, if you drag a video to the timeline, and there are not enough armed sound tracks to receive all the audio channels in that video, some status bar or tooltip should say that. * Current resolution, aspect ratio and framerate * Current colour format (yuv, rgb, float, with or without alpha) * Current audio rate and resolution; give the user a hint if all the resources have a sample rate that is different from the project rate. And, by the way: "Ganging" a video track with its audio tracks would be jolly useful, too! -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra -- ^ ^ O O (_ _) muzzol(a)gmail.com jabber id: muzzol(a)jabber.dk No atribueixis qualitats humanes als ordinadors. No els hi agrada. bomb terrorism bush aznar teletubbies ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
[CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:09:05 +0200, Dimitrios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Being realistic, i can see an alternative route: --> 2 interfaces! The user loads cinellera for the first time and gets a dialog: "Welcome to cinellera, would you like the Basic Interface or the Expert Interface?" Control question: At which point of time will the user be able to make the right choice? Hint: Not the first time. In other words, we keep the current interface and just add a "lighter" version along with it. All advanced features will only exist in the "Expert Interface" while all the "Basic Interface" will have only the simple features for working on simple projects. This is interesting. I would like a debate here about what the typical "beginner" user does, and what he needs. Based on that, we may come up with some assumptions about sensible defaults in the Preferences and Format dialogs. The new "Basic Interface" can be designed for usability, with hints, explanations and simple buttons. As intuitive and understandable as possible. These features could benefit the "Expert" interface, too. Things that Cinelerra could advertise better: * Which tracks are affected by a selection or operation; different highlighting of armed and unarmed tracks, and maybe a short flash in the patchbay to remind the user "these are the armed tracks". * The consequences of "arming/disarming" tracks. For example, if you drag a video to the timeline, and there are not enough armed sound tracks to receive all the audio channels in that video, some status bar or tooltip should say that. * Current resolution, aspect ratio and framerate * Current colour format (yuv, rgb, float, with or without alpha) * Current audio rate and resolution; give the user a hint if all the resources have a sample rate that is different from the project rate. And, by the way: "Ganging" a video track with its audio tracks would be jolly useful, too! -- Herman Robak ___ Cinelerra mailing list Cinelerra@skolelinux.no https://init.linpro.no/mailman/skolelinux.no/listinfo/cinelerra
