Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)

2006-07-31 Thread muzzol

i think best way to do all this kind of improvements is openning a bug
for each one and work on it step by step.

2006/7/31, Herman Robak [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 06:09:05 +0200, Dimitrios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Being realistic, i can see an alternative route:

 -- 2 interfaces!

 The user loads cinellera for the first time and gets a dialog: Welcome
 to cinellera, would you like the Basic Interface or the Expert
 Interface?

  Control question: At which point of time will the user be
able to make the right choice?  Hint: Not the first time.


 In other words, we keep the current interface and just add a lighter
 version along with it. All advanced features will only exist in the
 Expert Interface while all the Basic Interface will have only the
 simple features for working on simple projects.

  This is interesting.  I would like a debate here about what the typical
beginner user does, and what he needs.  Based on that, we may come up
with some assumptions about sensible defaults in the Preferences and
Format dialogs.


 The new Basic Interface can be designed for usability, with hints,
 explanations and simple buttons. As intuitive and understandable as
 possible.

  These features could benefit the Expert interface, too.

  Things that Cinelerra could advertise better:

* Which tracks are affected by a selection or operation; different
  highlighting of armed and unarmed tracks, and maybe a short flash
  in the patchbay to remind the user these are the armed tracks.

* The consequences of arming/disarming tracks.  For example, if you
  drag a video to the timeline, and there are not enough armed sound
  tracks to receive all the audio channels in that video, some status
  bar or tooltip should say that.

* Current resolution, aspect ratio and framerate

* Current colour format (yuv, rgb, float, with or without alpha)

* Current audio rate and resolution; give the user a hint if all the
  resources have a sample rate that is different from the project rate.


  And, by the way: Ganging a video track with its audio tracks would
be jolly useful, too!

--
Herman Robak

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Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)

2006-07-31 Thread Eric Seigne
Le lundi 31 juillet 2006 à 13:02 +0300, Dimitrios a écrit :
 On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 10:08:50 +0200 muzzol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  i think best way to do all this kind of improvements is openning a bug
  for each one and work on it step by step.
 
 sure, i opened a new bug report:
 
 http://bugs.cinelerra.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285


For french lprod users i've made a new skin-plugin:
http://fr.lprod.org/wiki/doku.php?id=video:cinelerra:pluginlprod

This is more gnome look but it's just a cinelerra skin.

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Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)

2006-07-31 Thread Dimitrios
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 12:07:14 +0200 Eric Seigne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is more gnome look but it's just a cinelerra skin.

Unfortunately a theme won't help. We need something that will radically change 
the interface and make it easier to understand and use.


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Re: [CinCVS] Beginner-friendly user interface (was: about starting over...)

2006-07-31 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi,

On Monday 31 July 2006 12:07, Eric Seigne wrote:
 For french lprod users i've made a new skin-plugin:
 http://fr.lprod.org/wiki/doku.php?id=video:cinelerra:pluginlprod

 This is more gnome look but it's just a cinelerra skin.

Wow! IMHO this is really good! Cause the normal cinelerra GUI scares many 
people away just because it looks so different. So this skin really helps! Is 
there anything french specific in it at all or can it be used for any 
language?


regards,
Holger


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