Re: MBA or CCIE [7:41809]
Kevin Cullimore wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... A fair amount of people who focused their academic pursuits on natural sciences/mathematics work in the private sector. Some of them have jobs which apply concepts concrete knowledge that was part of their curriculum. Some of them pusued a masters because they could actually learn something about their field of interest (which can be profoundly hard to do within undergrad programs) or it helped advance their pursuit of compensation or responsibility. Some really competent Masters students opted to not pursue PhDs because of the prospects of divorce and minimal returns based on their current job status. If they can't pass the quals, I'm not sure the conferring of the Masters is in order. Conversely, there are PLENTY of good reasons to NOT let someone in a PhD. program even if they CAN or DO pass their quals. On the other hand, many of those master's degrees guys really were guys who couldn't pass their quals. So whether you had a legitimate reason for getting a master's degree or not doesn't really matter in terms of getting a job or for professional prestige or whatever - you will be deemed 'guilty by association' by being lumped together with a bunch of, shall we say, rejects. Is that unfair? Yeah, it is. But that's life. Surely you realize that HR and other hiring directors often make decisions based on what's on a piece of paper, and you therefore have no chance to explain the details of your situation to them. The fact is, you are judged by the people you associate with. If you associate with a bunch of thugs and criminals, you shouldn't be surprised when people think you are a criminal yourself. Now, I'm not saying that master's degree holders are criminals, it's just an example I'm using. I'm just saying that if you associate yourself in a group of people for which there are indeed a large proportion on PhD failures, then people will often jump to the conclusion that you are also one yourself. I've encountered plenty of cases where better experiences can be had with Mathematics BS grads than CS MS grads, because the math folk don't assume that four years of algorithms programming (and ponentially many other topics except real-world microcomputer-based support networking issues-diclaimer, I'm aware that that is changing at the painfully slow pace that most curriculms adhere to when reforming themselves, but the damage is done) entitle them to godlike status where their intuitions concerning technologies, formal systems and issues that they have had NO PRACTICAL experience with are concerned. As far as the CS folk in question are concerned, since they already know everything, they can be VERY difficult to train. (I'm aware of the existence of exceptions, but they are not the ones making laughingstocks of their respective IT groups, so they do not occupy as prominent a place in my consciousness) It's interesting that you align CS with engineering, since the knowledge-gathering aspect of CS adheres better to the rhetoric and ideals of the natural sciences ever could, due to the nature of the subject matter. Well, then I suppose you would also find it interesting to note that the vast majority of American universities (don't know about Europe) also lump CS into their engineering departments, rather than into their science departments . Surely there is a reason for this. Dragging back in the original question, the CCIE somewhat affirms the ability to perform hands-on work and apply concepts in unfamiliar contexts with success slightly quicker than random trial and error generally produce in a vendor-specific state-space. Its ameliorative influence upon your career is somewhat dependent upon Cisco's success, IT's success and your personal goals. I see high level networking jobs where a masters in computer science is a prerequisite for having your resume read (very effecient, since it reveals two things: that human resource folk still misunderstand that you can sneak by a CS program without an acceptable understanding of how electrical patterns present on one computing device can magically be made to replicate themselves on a remote computing device through the wonders of networking, and that the employer in question is explicitly choosing to use a filter that will quickly reduce the numbers of resumes that have to actually be read, even though that might rule out some of the best candidates). Whether or not the hands-on and advanced conceptual knowledge are relevant to higher-level jobs is industry even company dependent, but you can bet that if a company can make it irrelevant so that they don't have to compensate you for that knowledge, they will. An MBA is supposed to provide you with the cognitive wherewithal to lead the overall success of business efforts, which in many cases requires leaders to delve into profoundly non-technical issues. If,
Re: Time based ACL on PIX? [7:37198]
I agree. You can't do it directly with a time-based list, because Pix doesn't support that (yet). You can use AAA as a workaround. Keyur Shah wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; You can use AAA time-of-day access feature with PIX to accomplish this. -Keyur Shah- CCIE# 4799 (Security; Routing and Switching) css1,scsa,scna,mct,mcse,cni,mcne Hello Computers Say Hello to Your Future! http://www.hellocomputers.com Toll-Free: 1.877.794.3556 Fremont: 510.795.6815 Santa Clara: 408.496.0801 Europe: +(44)20 7900 3011 Fax: 510.291.2250 -Original Message- From: matt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 9:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Time based ACL on PIX? [7:37198] Hi all- I sent this out earlier but it didn't seem to post?? Anyway...I was wondering if it is possible to have services behind a PIX restricted to time?? Kinda like how you can with a Checkpoint. Initially I was thinking this was not possible as I have conduit based configurations on all the PIX's I maintainand am unaware of any such option on a conduit. But then I saw the time-range option for an extended ACL. So, my question: Can this be used on a PIX to limit access to a service to say 1 ipand only between certain hours? Has anyone does this...or is it even possible? I hope this makes sense. thanks, matt __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=37338t=37198 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CCNP Lab Rat [7:37130]
Look. There's nothing wrong with increasing your knowledge. Everybody has to start somewhere. The problem arises when guys who are certified, but have little experience, still expect to get the same pay and respect as somebody who's been doing it for awhile. Or worse, they try to fake their way around by claiming knowledge they don't have. Then they inevitably screw something up, which not only means more work for the other guys because they have to clean up the mess, but also means that hiring managers get suspicious of everybody because they don't know who's good and who isn't. The fact is, all of Cisco's cert exams, even the CCIE, can only cover a small subset of what a network engineer really needs to know. One prime example is the ability to troubleshoot layer-1 WAN problems. This topic is not covered at all in the lab, because you obviously are not going to have any layer-1 problems using back2back serial connections. But layer-1 WAN problems happen all the time in the real world. So a guy who knows all about route redistribution, but doesn't know what to do when the T-1 line goes down is not a particularly useful employee. That's just one example, but there are many others. Now, like I said, there's nothing wrong with getting a cert, as long as you are willing to admit (especially to yourself) the things you know and don't know, and that you're still willing to learn. Again, the problem comes when a guy obtains a cert and believes he is now great and doesn't need to learn more, and deserves the same stature as others with the same cert (but have been around the industry a lot longer). norco wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; i agree. that 'lab rat' bullshit has been created by cisco engineers fearful of their status/positions because nowadays anyone get reasonable proficient at cisco routing and switching - which SHOULD be the case!! I remember people (and they still do) cryin' the frickin' blues beacuse people were paper certified, and that they had no hands-on experience. Well, now that they are getting hands-on experience albeit in a lab environment (which is in some cases presents a more convoluted routing and switching environment because it allows them to set the level of complexity depending on the amount and type of lab equipment...phew - long comment) - they have the audacity to label them 'lab rats' - honestly i think these fucks expect you to be born with this knowledge!! By all means get stuck into your lab - get your CCNP, go for the CCIE and improve your standard of living - after all that's what this is all about - don't let a bunch of narrow-minded, paranoid, tall-poppy syndrome minded dicks dictate what you should or should not do. B Rudy wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Hey guys, I have been looking for a job for the past 8 months. I decided to get some professional Cisco training since the market was doing so badly. I have read some message boards talking about CCIE lab rats, and how they are a disgrace.. I dont want to be looked at like that. I have purchased a year of training where I can utilize all the Cisco equipment they have on their premises. I am going to be a lab rat for a while.. Will i be able to find a job once i am a ccnp and proficcient with Cisco and their equipment?? That lab rat being a disgrace comment is totally absurd my bio: B.S in Telecommunications No experience in the field-but a lot in the labs CCDA CCNA Network+ MCSE 2k LPI 1 A+ Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=37204t=37130 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
