2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Vijay Ramcharan wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Not exactly related to this but... Are there any drawbacks to using (2) 2610s for a lab instead of a 2600 and a 3640 router? JMHO, what you should be looking for is sufficient ports to run complex practice scenarios and routers capable of running the IOS version that is current in the Lab. \specific models may or may not be of importance. ( as an aside, I laugh my ass off every time I read a post from someone expressing worry about the announced changes in IOS and addition of a 3725 to the Lab. At least when the 3550 switch was introduced there was reason for some apprehension, ans nono of the rental racks had a 3550 in them ). after all, a router is a router, and the routing protocol commands will work exactly the same on a 25xx, 26xx, 36xx, etc. I'm currently focusing on 12.2.something.Tsomething 12.2.15(T5) maybe -everything is off at the moment. I don't know about the 2610, but the 2611 is capable of running dot1q and ISL trunks, plus if you use the enterprise basic image you can do IS-IS, BGP, and MPLS. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73855t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
On this same thread... What are the recommendations for ATM lab hardware? Can ATM be practiced with ATM ports connected back-to-back or is it necessary to get an ATM switch also? Thanks. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Chuck Whose Road is Ever Shorter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Vijay Ramcharan wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Not exactly related to this but... Are there any drawbacks to using (2) 2610s for a lab instead of a 2600 and a 3640 router? JMHO, what you should be looking for is sufficient ports to run complex practice scenarios and routers capable of running the IOS version that is current in the Lab. \specific models may or may not be of importance. ( as an aside, I laugh my ass off every time I read a post from someone expressing worry about the announced changes in IOS and addition of a 3725 to the Lab. At least when the 3550 switch was introduced there was reason for some apprehension, ans nono of the rental racks had a 3550 in them ). after all, a router is a router, and the routing protocol commands will work exactly the same on a 25xx, 26xx, 36xx, etc. I'm currently focusing on 12.2.something.Tsomething 12.2.15(T5) maybe -everything is off at the moment. I don't know about the 2610, but the 2611 is capable of running dot1q and ISL trunks, plus if you use the enterprise basic image you can do IS-IS, BGP, and MPLS. Vijay Ramcharan -Original Message- From: Natchaya Radhikulkaralak [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 7:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612] Doesnt the vConsole ISDN simulator able to use SPIDs? Even though it is 525 dollars... I thought it did use spids. When you state to use a backbone router... what do you mean? Thomas Larus wrote: With $1,000 dollars, I would first buy a 4 port frame switch router, perhaps a 2520. I say 2520, not 2521 (Token ring), because the ethernet port on the 2520 allows it to serve as an additional router-- perhaps a backbone router that you would connect to using ethernet. $200-$300, if you are lucky. A 4500 with a NP-4T might be even better (but loud!!) This will take perhaps 300 dollars or so. You could add another 4 serial ints and/or a bunch of ethernet ints, and this could definitely serve as a full-fledged lab router as well as a frame switch. If you can find a cheap ISDN simulator (vConsole or Euro ISDN PBX gizmo that only does Basic-Net3 and no spids) for $400-500, you probably ought to buy it, since you already have two ISDN capable routers. Then a 1900 or 2820 switch for $100 to $200 so you have a VLAN-capable switch. If you have enough money left over, you could pick up one more 2501. (Always buy a 2503 or 2514 if you can get it for a little more than a 2501, of course.) It's not a first-rate lab, but it is enough of you to learn a lot of the most difficult lessons. You could go for more routers and no ISDN sim, but ISDN can be such a tricky technology it is worth spending a lot of time on. This is a close call, though. Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 David Power wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have three 2500 routers (2x2503 and 1x2514) with the budget of 1000$ I am planning to buy some more routers for my CCIE home lab. Which routers or switches I must have ( with in my $ limits or couple hundred more). Every suggestion will be appreciated David _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73918t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
From what I have heard, you are not asked to configure ATM switches, so back to back connection would be ok. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73930t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
RE: 2x2610 vs 2600 + 3640: WAS Re: CCIE Lab Setup [7:73612]
Actually, that is not true. A 2611 can do 802.1Q inter-vlan routing but cannot do ISL trunking. Of course, I am getting this information from the Cisco website... but if you know differently... please inform me. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=73857t=73612 -- **Please support GroupStudy by purchasing from the GroupStudy Store: http://shop.groupstudy.com FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html
