BGP routes [7:71442]

2003-06-26 Thread KW S
Dear all

What is the benefits of receiving the following BGP routes
1. Full routes
2. Partial routes
3. No routes

Regards, kws




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Re: BGP routes [7:71442]

2003-06-26 Thread Justin M. Morgenthaler
I would assume "Convergence" and the avoidance of this:

http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/770/fn12942.html

-Justin M. Morgenthaler

""KW S""  wrote in message
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> Dear all
>
> What is the benefits of receiving the following BGP routes
> 1. Full routes
> 2. Partial routes
> 3. No routes
>
> Regards, kws




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Re: BGP routes [7:71442]

2003-06-26 Thread MADMAN
i have configured all three for differant requirements.  There is no 
benefit per se, it simply depends on the what your trying to accomplish 
and how your connected.

   Dave

Justin M. Morgenthaler wrote:
> I would assume "Convergence" and the avoidance of this:
> 
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/770/fn12942.html
> 
> -Justin M. Morgenthaler
> 
> ""KW S""  wrote in message
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> 
>>Dear all
>>
>>What is the benefits of receiving the following BGP routes
>>1. Full routes
>>2. Partial routes
>>3. No routes
>>
>>Regards, kws
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Re: BGP routes [7:71442]

2003-06-26 Thread dre
""KW S""  wrote in message ...
> What is the benefits of receiving the following BGP routes
> 1. Full routes
> 2. Partial routes
> 3. No routes

Well #3 means it doesn't work (you need at least a default route, or
0.0.0.0/0), so I'll skip that one...

Full routes from two or more providers, with no default route:
Benefits - Ability to move any prefix/AS for outbound traffic to any of the
providers.  Abilty to optimize/maximize loose-mode uRPF features.  Ability
to optimize/maximize prefix-filters/distribute-lists if you are a
transit-AS.  Ability to route 0.0.0.0/0 to Null0, aka "The Default
Free-Zone, or DFZ"
Drawbacks - More routes = more CPU and memory requirements on your routers.
However, scaling with today's equipment and a few good configurations makes
this a very small issue compared to the power you gain
Application - Tier 1 Internet Provider that doesn't receive partial routes
from anyone and gets a full routing table from all peers

Some Full routes, some Partial routes, no defaults:
Benefits - Ability to move any prefix/AS on providers receiving full routes
and some ability to move onto providers sending partial routes.  Ability to
route 0.0.0.0/0 to Null0, which is sort of like "default-free"
Drawbacks - Can't use loose-mode uRPF on all providers (but could build a
complicated strict-mode uRPF for the partial route providers).  Prefix-lists
and distribute-lists also become more complicated if you are a transit-AS
Application - Tier 2 Internet Providers, Content Providers, any company with
IP clue

Partial routes from two or more providers, with partial+default route from
one provider:
Benefits - Ability to move around some prefixes/ASes for outbound traffic to
the providers that will take that prefix/AS.  Ability to send the rest of
your traffic out the default route to the one provider
Drawbacks - Restriction to send the rest of your traffic out the default
route of only one provider
Application - Companies with IP clue that don't have the money to keep all
routers configured properly or with enough memory to hold full tables with
multiple views

Partial routes from two or more providers, with more than one provider
sending partial+default routes:
Benefits - Ability to move around some prefixes/ASes for outbound traffic to
the providers that will take that prefix/AS.  Ability to send the rest of
your traffic out any of the default routes from the providers you are
getting defaults from
Drawbacks - More than one default route can be confusing to deal with
Application - Companies that don't understand how partial+default works

Partial routes from one or more providers, with another single provider
providing only a default route:
Benefits - As Partial, with partial+default from one provider, only that
provider doesn't send partial routes.
Drawbacks - Restriction to default route for rest of traffic
Application - Companies with IP clue, but very little money and resources
(read: only have Cisco 2500 routers or equivalent)

Default routes from two or more providers with no full/partial routes:
Benefits - you are multihomed (not reliant on one Internet provider), but
only in the smallest sense of the term
Drawbacks - no ability to influence traffic
Applcation - Companies who are willing to spend the extra cost associated
with two providers, but aren't willing to upgrade their Cisco 2500 router
that has 2MB DRAM

-dre




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RE: BGP routes [7:71442]

2003-06-27 Thread Srivathsan Ananthachari
Hi,

Full Routes : That's for your router to maintain anyAS-to-anyAS routing
info . If you recv full routes from your ISP then it's more of a
disadvantage / overhead . That's so because you'll have to have loads of
RAM and CPU power in your ROUTER connecting to the ISP to maintain those
routing tables.

And there's this problem of instability in another AS ( with which you'd
be least bothered ) causing route flaps and interrupts on your BGP
router . This issue can be addressed by route summarization and
dampening to a good extent .

Partial routes : This is typically the case when you are configured to
receive only the routes of customers' AS that you'd like to reach and a
default route to reach the other AS through your ISP . This reduces the
size of your routing table and causes less damage to your BGP router as
well as compared to the router receiving full routes .

No routes : This is typically like ( if I'm permitted to call !! ) a
Totally Stubby Area in the case of OSPF . Your BGP router doesn't recv
anything but a default route from your ISP and you don't have much
knowledge about any other route.

Hope this helps..!!

Regards,
Srivathsan A

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Dear all

What is the benefits of receiving the following BGP routes
1. Full routes
2. Partial routes
3. No routes

Regards, kws




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Re: BGP routes [7:71442]

2003-06-27 Thread MADMAN
dre wrote:
> ""KW S""  wrote in message ...
> 
>>What is the benefits of receiving the following BGP routes
>>1. Full routes
>>2. Partial routes
>>3. No routes
> 
> 
> Well #3 means it doesn't work (you need at least a default route, or
> 0.0.0.0/0), so I'll skip that one...

   Sure it works, you can configure BGP and recieve no routes but 
dynamically control your announcements.

   Dave

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Sr. Network Engineer
Qwest Communications
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