RE: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-28 Thread Evans, TJ

I was going to suggest the use of an access class similar to access
lists... applied to the vty lines ... but thanks for the transport input
line!
also - file under "related info" - it is my understanding that if we did
make a simple ACL applied to all incoming traffic blocking telnet on S0/0
for example that outbound telnet from all boxes on the LAN would be
blocked as well; as there 'responses' would get dropped at the router ...
hence the use of access classes ...

Regarding the slow SSH ... have you run a sniffer on that segment to watch
the packets, and see if there is some disagreement between your router and
TACACS+ server ... or see if the TACACS_ server itself is causing the delay
... ?


Thanks!
TJ

 -Original Message-
From:   Sean Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Tuesday, March 27, 2001 14:58
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:    Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

Curtis,
Thanks for the tip.  However, I just figure out.  The solution is:

line vty 0 4
transport input ssh

That effectively shut off telnet.

Sean


From: Curtis Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:37:49 -0700

Why not try to throw an access list on it that blocks the incoming telnet
port?  I submit that I haven't read the document either so that might be a
stupid suggestion :-)


At 09:16 AM 3/27/01, you wrote:
Hope I am not offending you but did you read the document before giving
me advice or do you just give it out of the blue?  If I "no login"
under vty then users will NOT be able to SSH to the router period.

Any more ideas?

Sean


 From: "Mask Of Zorro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:04:33 -0500
 
 Enter a "no login" under the vty config and that will disable telnet
 authentication, effectively shutting off telnet...
 
 From: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:38:38 -0500
 
 This is my configuration
 
 line con 0
 logging synchronous
 login authentication usetacacs
 transport input lat pad v120 lapb-ta mop telnet rlogin udptn nasi ssh
 line aux 0
 line vty 0 4
 exec-timeout 0 0
 authorization commands 1 usetacacs1
 login authentication usetacacs
 !
 
 even when I set the "exec-timeout 0 0", I still can telnet to the
 router which is something I would like to avoid.  I only want ssh to
 work.  By the way, I use TACACS+ to authenticate users.
 
 Anymore ideas?
 
 Sean
 
 
 
  From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
  Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:20:26 -0700
  
  I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a 
"feature"
  since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.
  
  As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a 
vty
  password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
  attempts to telnet to the router.
  
  John
  
"Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
  Hi everyone,
  
  Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
  I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
  notice
  that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
  RAM.
  I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
  I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another 
thing,
  now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
  telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't 
see
  any solutions for it.
  
  Any ideas?  Thanks.
  
  Sean
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Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread Sean Young

Hi everyone,

Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I notice
that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB RAM.
I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another thing,
now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't see
any solutions for it.

Any ideas?  Thanks.

Sean
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Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread Sean Young

This is my configuration

line con 0
logging synchronous
login authentication usetacacs
transport input lat pad v120 lapb-ta mop telnet rlogin udptn nasi ssh
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
exec-timeout 0 0
authorization commands 1 usetacacs1
login authentication usetacacs
!

even when I set the "exec-timeout 0 0", I still can telnet to the
router which is something I would like to avoid.  I only want ssh to
work.  By the way, I use TACACS+ to authenticate users.

Anymore ideas?

Sean



From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:20:26 -0700

I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a "feature"
since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.

As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a vty
password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
attempts to telnet to the router.

John

  "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
Hi everyone,

Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
notice
that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
RAM.
I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another thing,
now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't see
any solutions for it.

Any ideas?  Thanks.

Sean
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Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread Mask Of Zorro

Enter a "no login" under the vty config and that will disable telnet 
authentication, effectively shutting off telnet...

From: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:38:38 -0500

This is my configuration

line con 0
logging synchronous
login authentication usetacacs
transport input lat pad v120 lapb-ta mop telnet rlogin udptn nasi ssh
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
exec-timeout 0 0
authorization commands 1 usetacacs1
login authentication usetacacs
!

even when I set the "exec-timeout 0 0", I still can telnet to the
router which is something I would like to avoid.  I only want ssh to
work.  By the way, I use TACACS+ to authenticate users.

Anymore ideas?

Sean



 From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:20:26 -0700
 
 I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a "feature"
 since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.
 
 As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a vty
 password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
 attempts to telnet to the router.
 
 John
 
   "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
 I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
 notice
 that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
 RAM.
 I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
 I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another thing,
 now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
 telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't see
 any solutions for it.
 
 Any ideas?  Thanks.
 
 Sean
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Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread John Neiberger

Hmm...it looks like the presence of the login and authorization commands
is fulfilling the requirement for a password to be configured on those
lines.  

Ok, I'll go back to pondering then.   Could you add an access list to
block incoming traffic to port 23?  That might accomplish the same goal.
 There must be another way, though.  I'll let you know if I think of
something.

John

 "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 8:38:38 AM 
This is my configuration

line con 0
logging synchronous
login authentication usetacacs
transport input lat pad v120 lapb-ta mop telnet rlogin udptn nasi ssh
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
exec-timeout 0 0
authorization commands 1 usetacacs1
login authentication usetacacs
!

even when I set the "exec-timeout 0 0", I still can telnet to the
router which is something I would like to avoid.  I only want ssh to
work.  By the way, I use TACACS+ to authenticate users.

Anymore ideas?

Sean



From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:20:26 -0700

I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a
"feature"
since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.

As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a
vty
password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
attempts to telnet to the router.

John

  "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
Hi everyone,

Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
notice
that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
RAM.
I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another
thing,
now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't
see
any solutions for it.

Any ideas?  Thanks.

Sean
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Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread Sean Young

Hope I am not offending you but did you read the document before giving
me advice or do you just give it out of the blue?  If I "no login"
under vty then users will NOT be able to SSH to the router period.

Any more ideas?

Sean


From: "Mask Of Zorro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:04:33 -0500

Enter a "no login" under the vty config and that will disable telnet 
authentication, effectively shutting off telnet...

From: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:38:38 -0500

This is my configuration

line con 0
logging synchronous
login authentication usetacacs
transport input lat pad v120 lapb-ta mop telnet rlogin udptn nasi ssh
line aux 0
line vty 0 4
exec-timeout 0 0
authorization commands 1 usetacacs1
login authentication usetacacs
!

even when I set the "exec-timeout 0 0", I still can telnet to the
router which is something I would like to avoid.  I only want ssh to
work.  By the way, I use TACACS+ to authenticate users.

Anymore ideas?

Sean



 From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:20:26 -0700
 
 I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a "feature"
 since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.
 
 As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a vty
 password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
 attempts to telnet to the router.
 
 John
 
   "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
 I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
 notice
 that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
 RAM.
 I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
 I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another thing,
 now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
 telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't see
 any solutions for it.
 
 Any ideas?  Thanks.
 
 Sean
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Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread EA Louie

Sean - try a show proc cpu and see what's going on... it will give you an
indication of what's going on inside the router.  If it isn't a cpu problem,
then you'll have to look at the interface(s) and see if the performance hit
is happening there.  (in other words, you'll have to isolate the problem -
it MIGHT be the router, but it also might NOT)

pay special attention to any of the processes that deal with ssh - the exec
may also play some part in this performance degradation

Keep looking to turn off telnet... and I'll ask my network operations
engineers how they did it (probably an inbound access list denying port 23
traffic and allowing SSH traffic applied to the vty's... that would be my
guess without looking any research...)

- Original Message -
From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented


 I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a "feature"
 since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.

 As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a vty
 password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
 attempts to telnet to the router.

 John

  "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
 Hi everyone,

 Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
 I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
 notice
 that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
 RAM.
 I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
 I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another thing,
 now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
 telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't see
 any solutions for it.

 Any ideas?  Thanks.

 Sean
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Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread Curtis Call

Why not try to throw an access list on it that blocks the incoming telnet 
port?  I submit that I haven't read the document either so that might be a 
stupid suggestion :-)


At 09:16 AM 3/27/01, you wrote:
Hope I am not offending you but did you read the document before giving
me advice or do you just give it out of the blue?  If I "no login"
under vty then users will NOT be able to SSH to the router period.

Any more ideas?

Sean


 From: "Mask Of Zorro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:04:33 -0500
 
 Enter a "no login" under the vty config and that will disable telnet
 authentication, effectively shutting off telnet...
 
 From: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:38:38 -0500
 
 This is my configuration
 
 line con 0
 logging synchronous
 login authentication usetacacs
 transport input lat pad v120 lapb-ta mop telnet rlogin udptn nasi ssh
 line aux 0
 line vty 0 4
 exec-timeout 0 0
 authorization commands 1 usetacacs1
 login authentication usetacacs
 !
 
 even when I set the "exec-timeout 0 0", I still can telnet to the
 router which is something I would like to avoid.  I only want ssh to
 work.  By the way, I use TACACS+ to authenticate users.
 
 Anymore ideas?
 
 Sean
 
 
 
  From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
  Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:20:26 -0700
  
  I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a "feature"
  since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.
  
  As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a vty
  password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
  attempts to telnet to the router.
  
  John
  
"Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
  Hi everyone,
  
  Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
  I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
  notice
  that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
  RAM.
  I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
  I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another thing,
  now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
  telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't see
  any solutions for it.
  
  Any ideas?  Thanks.
  
  Sean
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Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread Sean Young

EA.
Thanks for the tip.  The access server is residing on the test network
with only 3 devices (TACACS, access server and a windows client) so I
don't think there are any problems as far as the performance is concern.
I also check the process on the router and SSH and TACACS are not using
that much resources there.  I prefer not to use access-list so if you come 
up with any new tips, I would be glad to test them out.

Regards,
Sean


From: "EA Louie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:20:21 -0800

Sean - try a show proc cpu and see what's going on... it will give you an
indication of what's going on inside the router.  If it isn't a cpu 
problem,
then you'll have to look at the interface(s) and see if the performance hit
is happening there.  (in other words, you'll have to isolate the problem -
it MIGHT be the router, but it also might NOT)

pay special attention to any of the processes that deal with ssh - the exec
may also play some part in this performance degradation

Keep looking to turn off telnet... and I'll ask my network operations
engineers how they did it (probably an inbound access list denying port 23
traffic and allowing SSH traffic applied to the vty's... that would be my
guess without looking any research...)

- Original Message -
From: John Neiberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:20 AM
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented


  I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a "feature"
  since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.
 
  As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a vty
  password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
  attempts to telnet to the router.
 
  John
 
   "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
  Hi everyone,
 
  Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
  I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
  notice
  that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
  RAM.
  I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
  I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another thing,
  now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
  telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't see
  any solutions for it.
 
  Any ideas?  Thanks.
 
  Sean
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RE: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread Hinds, Jarrett

How about just transport input ssh?


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Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented

2001-03-27 Thread Sean Young

Curtis,
Thanks for the tip.  However, I just figure out.  The solution is:

line vty 0 4
transport input ssh

That effectively shut off telnet.

Sean


From: Curtis Call [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:37:49 -0700

Why not try to throw an access list on it that blocks the incoming telnet
port?  I submit that I haven't read the document either so that might be a
stupid suggestion :-)


At 09:16 AM 3/27/01, you wrote:
Hope I am not offending you but did you read the document before giving
me advice or do you just give it out of the blue?  If I "no login"
under vty then users will NOT be able to SSH to the router period.

Any more ideas?

Sean


 From: "Mask Of Zorro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:04:33 -0500
 
 Enter a "no login" under the vty config and that will disable telnet
 authentication, effectively shutting off telnet...
 
 From: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: "Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:38:38 -0500
 
 This is my configuration
 
 line con 0
 logging synchronous
 login authentication usetacacs
 transport input lat pad v120 lapb-ta mop telnet rlogin udptn nasi ssh
 line aux 0
 line vty 0 4
 exec-timeout 0 0
 authorization commands 1 usetacacs1
 login authentication usetacacs
 !
 
 even when I set the "exec-timeout 0 0", I still can telnet to the
 router which is something I would like to avoid.  I only want ssh to
 work.  By the way, I use TACACS+ to authenticate users.
 
 Anymore ideas?
 
 Sean
 
 
 
  From: "John Neiberger" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Cisco router is running very slow when SSh is implmented
  Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:20:26 -0700
  
  I don't know about the performance issue, that sounds like a 
"feature"
  since a 3640 shouldn't have much trouble handling that.
  
  As far as disabling telnet, the only way I know of is not to set a 
vty
  password.  While not disabling the telnet server, it will prevent any
  attempts to telnet to the router.
  
  John
  
"Sean Young" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3/27/01 7:58:37 AM 
  Hi everyone,
  
  Is it just me or anyone in the group experiencing the same thing?
  I've implemented SSH features on one of our ACCESS servers and I
  notice
  that it is very slow.  The access server is a Cisco 3640 with 128MB
  RAM.
  I notice the performance is quited slow even on a Fast Ethernet LAN.
  I don't have any performance issues with Unix servers.  Another 
thing,
  now that I have SSH running on the access server, how can I turn off
  telnet completely on the router?  I check Cisco website but didn't 
see
  any solutions for it.
  
  Any ideas?  Thanks.
  
  Sean
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