Juniper vs. Cisco

2001-03-21 Thread Buri, Heather H

Here is an interesting article forwarded to me by a friend who works in the
Backbone arena.  

Read this article online at
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=4009

I am not making any commentary myself as to which is better because I don't
work with either of one of these models so I don't know.  I just found this
interesting.

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Re: Should i take up this Job at Cisco : Juniper vs Cisco

2000-12-04 Thread Marc Giroux

Rajesh,
If you want to work for a company that only has one real product and that 
product is buggy and being pulled out of most major ISP then look elsewhere 
then Cisco (OC-192 and UUnet hehe they yanked those boxes out in a hurry). 
If you want to work for the leader in IP (layer 3) join cisco we also cover 
everything from layer 2 to 7 we are the world leader in VOIP MPLS and almost 
every Networking technologies we are taking over the optical world by storm 
ehhe, cisco invented tag switching which is the base of MPLS (the hottest 
layer 3 protocol on the market today). If you want to learn, the Internal 
version of the CCO has endless ressources I could spend 10 lives and never 
read all of whats written. The learning at cisco is unmatched in my opinion. 
As for claims by other vendors that they've taken 30% of the core market I 
laught at that statement. I'm looking in Canada right now and I know for a 
fact there are over 350 GSR routers installed and last time I looked (today) 
and the competition has 0, yes that is correct 0 core routers SOLD in 
canada.

If you work for a ISP I would love to hear your feedback on what you think 
of the claims made by our competitor. They claim to be the best core router 
due the fact they are ASIC. Big deal we've been doing this for YEARS ever 
hear of CEF. I'm sorry for venting off, the competition does have a decent 
product but Marketing claims will always be what they are Marketing 
Claims...
Cisco made 20Billion dollars last year most of it with its core products 
how much did the competition make... btw we are on track to make 30Billion 
this year... does that look like a company losing its market share come 
on be real you have a good product... just not what you claim.

As a last statement I would love to hear feedback from Anyone who has worked 
with the juniper product line and especially those of you who have worked 
with there OC-192 card what do you think about it

comments that I am replying to are below and made by a juniper employee

BTW I interviewed a Juniper and turned them down a niche player is only that 
a niche player and Yes I do work for Cisco

-I would have to disagree with your belief of Cisco being the premier
-company to learn leading edge technologies.  As far as research, what
-about the USC/ISI's, the MIT's, the LLNL's, the NSF's, etc...
-
-I chose another company over Cisco because I felt I would learn more.
-I'm not saying Cisco is a bad choice, I'm just saying there are other
-opportunities out there that you should consider.  It also depends on
-the technology you want to specialize in.
-
-For example, in my case, I wanted to do high speed core networks.
-Although I received an offer with Cisco, I chose to go with Juniper
-instead.  Why?  For several reasons:
-Juniper has better high end routers.  In two years, they have gained -30%
-of the market share for core routers.  I imagine they will surpass -Cisco
-in that area in less than two years.
-http://www.thestreet.com/tech/networking/1184179.html
-Juniper routers are faster.
-JunOS is more intuitive than IOS...IMHO.
-Juniper uses standard protocols only... OSPF, BGP, IS-IS, MPLS no
-proprietary stuff like IGRP and EIGRP.

-more subjective reasons:
-Juniper has a very selective, smart group of engineers.  Many CCIE's
-have been turned away.  Of course, many CCIE's have been hired as -well.
-Cisco has 30,000+ employees, Juniper has 700+... I spoke with a few
-former Cisco employees who felt there were too many layer of
-bureaucracy.  I enjoy working at smaller companies where you can make
-more of an impact as well as be recognized for your achievements.
-Juniper was harder to get into to.  When you interview with a company
-and they ask you difficult technical questions, you respect that.  -You
-want them to be as knowledgeable, if not more knowledgeble than
-yourself...the more knowledgeable they are, the better.  I don't mean -to
-say that Cisco's interview process was a piece of cake... it's just -that
-Juniper's was tougher.
-Other reasons such as atmosphere, benefits, role, etc... were also -taken
-into consideration.
-
-On the other hand, if you want to learn layer 2 technologies, then
-Juniper would not be the company for you... since they don't make
-switches.  If I wanted to get more involved in Content switching, I
-would have looked into Alteon, F5, or Cisco.  If I wanted to do
-research, I would have stayed with my former employer, ISI  It
-depends on what you want to do... thinking Cisco is the one and only
-company to work for is a narrow minded approach when job hunting.  -You
-have to get several offers and weigh your options.  Don't get me -wrong,
-I do feel Cisco is a great company... but they are not the best at
-everything.

-Mark Juniper Networks


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OT: Should i take up this Job at Cisco : Juniper vs Cisco

2000-12-04 Thread Guy Tal

I work with both Ciscos and Junipers daily. Junipers have some very nice
features that Ciscos dont have. Anyone that has issued the monitor command
on a Juniper knows what I am talking about. The OS seems to be a combination
of the Cisco IOS and Unix, which is nice as well. I myself prefer the Cisco
CLI, probably out of habit.

Please don't talk about the virtues of CEF when I can't even view the whole
cef table without causing my router to crash. Not that there are too many
instances when you *need* to view the whole table, but the option is nice to
have.

My company tested both oc192 devices, and the Cisco didn't do better.

Both companies have good support teams.

The bottom line is, do what you think is best for yourself. If working for a
smaller company is important to you, and it sounded to me like it was, the
choice is clear. You can't go wrong with either company.

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