Layer 3 whatevers [7:7544]

2001-06-07 Thread Howard Berkowitz


1.  There isn't a hard-and-fast distinction between a layer 2 switch and a
bridge. In general, a layer 2 switch has microsegmentation
  and may have VLAN support and, in general, more intelligence.

2.  Speaking as someone that actually works in layer 3 relay design, there
is no true technical difference between a layer 3
 switch and a router.  Just saying ASIC vs. "software" is bogus; it's
not a black and white distinction.  Some  ASICs are
 programmable.  There's a spectrum of processing chips anyway, from ASIC
to FPGA to RISC to CISC processor.  In many
 cases, the bottleneck isn't the forwarder anyway--it's memory or
fabric.

3.  When line rates are being thrown around, simple numbers aren't enough.
See RFC2544 for a vendor-independent
 measurement methodology.

4.  The industry uses "switch" a great deal because marketdroids have
convinced the executive masses that
  routers are slow and switches are fast.I believe I paraphrase
Oscar Wilde when I say that if, while seated in
 the smallest room of my house, I had a paper with such a definition in
front of me, it soon would be behind me.




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Re: Layer 3 whatevers [7:7544]

2001-06-07 Thread Luke

(ref #4) Do you really do that kind of work in your closet -:)?

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>
> 1.  There isn't a hard-and-fast distinction between a layer 2 switch and a
> bridge. In general, a layer 2 switch has microsegmentation
>   and may have VLAN support and, in general, more intelligence.
>
> 2.  Speaking as someone that actually works in layer 3 relay design, there
> is no true technical difference between a layer 3
>  switch and a router.  Just saying ASIC vs. "software" is bogus; it's
> not a black and white distinction.  Some  ASICs are
>  programmable.  There's a spectrum of processing chips anyway, from
ASIC
> to FPGA to RISC to CISC processor.  In many
>  cases, the bottleneck isn't the forwarder anyway--it's memory or
> fabric.
>
> 3.  When line rates are being thrown around, simple numbers aren't enough.
> See RFC2544 for a vendor-independent
>  measurement methodology.
>
> 4.  The industry uses "switch" a great deal because marketdroids have
> convinced the executive masses that
>   routers are slow and switches are fast.I believe I paraphrase
> Oscar Wilde when I say that if, while seated in
>  the smallest room of my house, I had a paper with such a definition
in
> front of me, it soon would be behind me.




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Re: Layer 3 whatevers [7:7544]

2001-06-07 Thread Karen E Young

Not unless its a water closet... :-)

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On 6/7/2001 at 1:27 PM Luke wrote:

>(ref #4) Do you really do that kind of work in your closet -:)?
>
>""Howard Berkowitz""  wrote in message
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>>
>> 1.  There isn't a hard-and-fast distinction between a layer 2 switch and a
>> bridge. In general, a layer 2 switch has microsegmentation
>>   and may have VLAN support and, in general, more intelligence.
>>
>> 2.  Speaking as someone that actually works in layer 3 relay design, there
>> is no true technical difference between a layer 3
>>  switch and a router.  Just saying ASIC vs. "software" is bogus; it's
>> not a black and white distinction.  Some  ASICs are
>>  programmable.  There's a spectrum of processing chips anyway, from
>ASIC
>> to FPGA to RISC to CISC processor.  In many
>>  cases, the bottleneck isn't the forwarder anyway--it's memory or
>> fabric.
>>
>> 3.  When line rates are being thrown around, simple numbers aren't enough.
>> See RFC2544 for a vendor-independent
>>  measurement methodology.
>>
>> 4.  The industry uses "switch" a great deal because marketdroids have
>> convinced the executive masses that
>>   routers are slow and switches are fast.I believe I paraphrase
>> Oscar Wilde when I say that if, while seated in
>>  the smallest room of my house, I had a paper with such a definition
>in
>> front of me, it soon would be behind me.




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