I have a customer with 20 700s.  I can't stand the beasts.  They only
support IP & IPX to the best of my knowledge.  I dislike non-IOS based Cisco
routers ;-p  I've gotten to know CatOS fairly well, plus that's on switches
so I'm already prepared for it when I have to deal with them ;-)'

Oh, I should rant about a customer today that has 50 3Com NetBuilder IIs
they want me to support.  $%(@#%(#$ things.  I'll spare you the details.
BTW: Did you know that the 10Base-T port on them doesn't support 10/100
autosensing hubs/switches/NICs?  Just sits there and keeps resetting.  Works
fine if you lock the speed on the other device (but that's no good on dumb
autosensing hubs/switches), or use a 10base-T device.  Wait, did I say I
wasn't going to rant?

Let me just say that I enjoy learning new things and new technologies.  TR &
SNA is just killing me having to learn.  What I love learning is technology
that I'll have my hands on at a fairly regular basis.  VoIP has been a blast
like that.  I haven't even looked deep into the CCIE to see if I need to
learn X.25.  Gawd, I hope not.  Can you even get X.25 anywhere anymore other
than third-world countries?

The 700s?  Well, I just documented the very basic minimal commands to change
the IP/IPX info and Spids, and we just don't touch them otherwise ;-)  They
just look so friendly like an 800, but down deep their evil little beasties.

ISDN sucks anyway.  One day I think I know about all I need to regarding it,
and the next day my carrier is installing NT1s at certain locations!  WTF is
with that?  Since when do NA telco's install NT1s?  I had to make them come
out and remove them all so my U-port ISDN devices will work (remember that
install I talked about at the end of last week? Yeah, took 3 hours to get
them to fess up that one site had NT1s and get them removed).  Once it was
done, everything worked beautifully.  Funny thing was that the SPIDs were at
locations 40 miles apart, but only the last digit was different and just one
lower than the other, and only one SPID per site (which made me think it was
a pair of SPIDs for just one side at first).  ISDN, geeze.

Oh, regarding troubleshooting on the 700s, they suck for that.  The 800
series and IOS-based debug kicks, which is yet another reason I hate 700s.
I bring my own 804 on 700 installs just so I can debug with a decent router.

Finally, the potential for them is so limited.  Other than corporate remote
small offices, they're not much use (which, granted, has a large base, but
ISDN is far to slow for most these days).  Step up to an 800 and you can get
NAT, QoS, Firewall, and even IPSEC.

--
Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+
List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/



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> Jason,
>
> Why do you perceive the 700 series as not being worth your time? Do you
> believe that you'll never run into it in the field? Would it surprise you
> to learn that several well known Enterprises have very large installed
> bases of the 700 series? Given your presence on this mailing list I would
> have assumed that you were about learning and acquiring knowledge. This
> means knowing how to configure and troubleshoot older protocols such as
> AppleTalk, DECNET, IPX and routers such as the 700. Despite claims to the
> contrary there are still a large number of networks that aren't entirely
IP
> or running IOS-driven hardware.
>
> jas
>
> At 04:18 PM 5/2/01 -0400, Jason Roysdon wrote:
> >It's not worth your time.  If you know the other areas, 1-3 questions on
it
> >won't hurt you (if that, I've heard rumors of 0 questions).
> >
> >When is Cisco going to EOL those piece of junks?  Sure, sure, they're
great
> >cheap desktop routers (ip & ipx), but the 800 line isn't that much more.
> >
> >--
> >Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+
> >List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/
> >
> >
> >"""[EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael (CAP, AFS, Contractor)"""
> >  wrote in message
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > If this has been asked already forgive me but how much of the Series
700
> >is
> > > covered on the BCRAN exam....I'm guessing not that much...
> > >
> > > thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Mike
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