RE: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-22 Thread Petru Stefan
I think the correct cabling is 

DESCRIPTION PIN #   COLOR
Receive from Network (ring) 1   Blue/White
Receive from Network (tip)  2   White/Blue
Transmit from Network (ring)4   Orange/White
Transmit from Network (tip) 5   White/Orange

so in this case should be 1-4 and 2-5.
For additional information please take a look on:
http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/qrc/pics-qrc.pdf
Regards
Stefan



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Re: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-22 Thread Brad Ellis
You need to make a T1 cross-over cable.

Pins 1,2 go to pins 4,5 and reverse.  check the archives on groupstudy as
this has been talked about indepth before.

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 Is it possible to connect a WIC-1DSU-T1 to another WIC-1DSU-T1 to simulate
a
 circuit? I have two 2600's that I would like to connect to do some testing
 with. If it is possible, do I need a special cable?

 Thanks in advance,

 Mike




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RE: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread s vermill
Mike Mihalas wrote:
 
 Is it possible to connect a WIC-1DSU-T1 to another WIC-1DSU-T1
 to simulate a circuit? I have two 2600's that I would like to
 connect to do some testing with. If it is possible, do I need a
 special cable?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Mike

Rollover cable:

pins 1  2 to pins 4  5

and configure one of the WICs with:

'service-module t1 clock source internal'


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RE: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread Daniel Cotts
T-1 uses pins 12 and 45. Make a cable that crosses those two pairs.
1 to 4
2 to 5
4 to 1
5 to 2
If you don't have the tools to make a cable but do have two RJ-45 jacks -
create the crossover between the jacks and use standard patch cables from
the routers to the jacks. Yes, I know that a 110 punch down tool should be
used with the jacks. Some small pliers, a small screwdriver and luck will
also work for a lab - maybe not for a production network.

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 Is it possible to connect a WIC-1DSU-T1 to another 
 WIC-1DSU-T1 to simulate a
 circuit? I have two 2600's that I would like to connect to do 
 some testing
 with. If it is possible, do I need a special cable?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Mike




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Re: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread Larry Letterman
you need a T1 crossover cable...I have one in my lab for the
same thing you are trying to do...
it works great for simulation of two routers with DS-1
connections...

Larry Letterman
Network Engineer
Cisco Systems


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Subject: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]


 Is it possible to connect a WIC-1DSU-T1 to another
WIC-1DSU-T1 to simulate a
 circuit? I have two 2600's that I would like to connect to
do some testing
 with. If it is possible, do I need a special cable?

 Thanks in advance,

 Mike
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RE: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread Robert Perez
yes you can do it.
It uses pins 1,2 4,5.
So you make a crossover cable with each pair
1  2
2  1

4  5
5  4

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Is it possible to connect a WIC-1DSU-T1 to another WIC-1DSU-T1 to simulate a
circuit? I have two 2600's that I would like to connect to do some testing
with. If it is possible, do I need a special cable?

Thanks in advance,

Mike




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Re: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread MADMAN
Absolutely.  In fact I'm currently doing just that beta testing 
version 2 of the WIC-1DSU-T1.  You need a T1 xover cable.

   Dave

Mike Mihalas wrote:
 Is it possible to connect a WIC-1DSU-T1 to another WIC-1DSU-T1 to simulate
a
 circuit? I have two 2600's that I would like to connect to do some testing
 with. If it is possible, do I need a special cable?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Mike
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RE: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread s vermill
Robert Perez wrote:
 
 yes you can do it.
 It uses pins 1,2 4,5.
 So you make a crossover cable with each pair
 1  2
 2  1
 
 4  5
 5  4
 
1  2 to 4  5, not as above.  Also, it's interesting that most people say 1
to 4 and 2 to 5.  I don't have a copy of any specs offhand, but it's
actually 1 to 5 and 2 to 4.  Being bipolar though, it doesn't matter.  Ones
and zeros are signalled by the magnitude of difference between the potential
at the A and B leads.  In other words, current is caused to flow or it's
not.  Doesn't matter which direction.  I'll see if I can dig up something
official on the pins...


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RE: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread s vermill
s vermill wrote:
 
 Robert Perez wrote:
  
  yes you can do it.
  It uses pins 1,2 4,5.
  So you make a crossover cable with each pair
  1  2
  2  1
  
  4  5
  5  4
  
 1  2 to 4  5, not as above.  Also, it's interesting that most
 people say 1 to 4 and 2 to 5.  I don't have a copy of any specs
 offhand, but it's actually 1 to 5 and 2 to 4.  Being bipolar
 though, it doesn't matter.  Ones and zeros are signalled by the
 magnitude of difference between the potential at the A and B
 leads.  In other words, current is caused to flow or it's not. 
 Doesn't matter which direction.  I'll see if I can dig up
 something official on the pins...


Well I admit that I didn't search very hard, but I couldn't find a USOC
website that wasn't affiliated with the olypics.  USOC defines the RJ set of
connector bodies.  Looking at several vendor pages, it would appear as if
the consensus is that:

Tip = 2
Ring = 1

and

Tip1 = 5
Ring1 = 4

Making it 1 to 4 and 2 to 5.  That being the case, I stand corrected.  But
again, it doesn't matter.  There's no such thing as a tip/ring reversal on a
T1 (sending junior techs to troubleshoot such problems used to be somewhat
of a right-of-passage in certain circles).



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RE: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread Daniel Cotts
You are correct. the 568A or B spec shows that pin 1 is tip and 2 is ring.
Pin 4 is ring and pin 5 is tip for pair one. So for a tip to tip and ring to
ring crossover then 2 to 4 and 1 to 5 is correct.

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 From: s vermill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Also, it's interesting that 
 most people say 1
 to 4 and 2 to 5.  I don't have a copy of any specs offhand, but it's
 actually 1 to 5 and 2 to 4.  Being bipolar though, it doesn't 
 matter.  Ones
 and zeros are signalled by the magnitude of difference 
 between the potential
 at the A and B leads.  In other words, current is caused to 
 flow or it's
 not.  Doesn't matter which direction.  I'll see if I can dig 
 up something
 official on the pins...




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RE: Connecting WIC-1DSU? [7:61487]

2003-01-21 Thread s vermill
Daniel Cotts wrote:
 
 You are correct. the 568A or B spec shows that pin 1 is tip and
 2 is ring.
 Pin 4 is ring and pin 5 is tip for pair one. So for a tip to
 tip and ring to
 ring crossover then 2 to 4 and 1 to 5 is correct.

Our copy of the 568 series TIA/EIA specs are out on a construction site at
the moment.  I'll be over there tomorrow so I'll take a look.  You are
exactly correct that the 568 series calls pin 1 a Tip, pin 2 a Ring, pin 5 a
Tip, and pin 4 a Ring.  So a 568 rollover is as you said.  I don't know if
the 568 series was ever intended to cover T1 though (it's common practice to
use 568 patch cords for T1s these days, I'm just not clear that the spec was
intended to encompass T1 stuff).  I looked at ISOCs RJ-48C and RJ-48X, which
apparently calls pin 1 a Ring, pin 2 a Tip, pin 4 a Ring, and pin 5 a Tip. 
The RJ spec is just a connector spec as far as I know.  However, it was a
connector spec geared specifically towards 1.544 T-carrier.  Again, it
doesn't matter technically, but it's nice to be precise wherever possible.


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