RE: Export Control with 3DES encryption [7:60573]

2003-01-09 Thread Jim Brown
Here is a link to the BXA page about exporting encryption. They way I
read it, and applied it, is you don't need permission or registration to
use 3DES in countries except in countries labeled as terrorist countries
or if you organization falls into the terrorist category.

If you are sending commercial software to "U.S. companies and their
subsidiaries" for "internal company use" it is just fine with the U.S.
Government. As far as I can tell site-to-site VPN's fall into this
category as well as VPN remote access by employees, interns, or
contractors.

I think we have some ex-lawyers on the list and would be very interested
in their interpretation. 

If I'm incorrect, I've got a very big problem and would like to correct
it as soon as possible. Feedback encouraged.

http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Encryption/EncFactSheet6_17_02.html

U.S. Department of Commerce * Bureau of Industry and Security
Office of Strategic Trade & Foreign Policy Controls
Information Technology Controls Division 
COMMERCIAL ENCRYPTION EXPORT CONTROLS 



License Exception ENC eligibility for equipment controlled under ECCN
5B002 

The new rule clarifies that test, inspection and production equipment
controlled under ECCN 5B002 is eligible for export and reexport to U.S.
subsidiaries, government and non-government end-users in the European
Union (plus the eight additional countries) and non-government end-users
in all other countries (except in Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea,
Sudan, Syria) under the provisions of License Exception ENC. 

Certain encryption items may be exported and reexported without review
or notification

This rule clarifies that, when a license is not otherwise required, no
review or notification is required to export or reexport the following:

1. Encryption items (including technology and source code) to U.S.
companies and their subsidiaries (except exports and reexports to
subsidiaries located in designated terrorist supporting countries, and
encryption technology or source code to foreign nationals of these
countries) for internal company use, including the development of new
products by employees, contractors and interns of U.S. companies.
Exporters are referred to Section 734.2 of the EAR for applicable
definitions of "export" and "reexport" that apply to encryption source
code and technology. (The encryption products that are developed using
these items are subject to the EAR and require review before they are
sold or transferred outside the company.)


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Subject: Re: Export Control with 3DES encryption [7:60573]


Thank you very much!  This page bring me directly to the registration
page.
However, I am wondering if I register with Cisco or with some government
organization?  If I register with Cisco link below, will they
automatically
submit it to certain government organization?  Thanks much!

Thomas


""The Long and Winding Road""  wrote in
message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> yes, here is a link on the Cisco web site:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin//Software/Crypto/crypto_main.pl
>
> this should get you started.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> TANSTAAFL
> "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
>
>
>
>
> ""Thomas N.""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I plan to buy VPN routers, ship them to Japan then deploy VPN
between
> Cisco
> > routers using 3DES encryption between Japan and U.S. for my company.
Do
I
> > need to register with the government or certain organization?  How
the
> > process work?  Also, where can I find a list of countries allowed to
> export
> > 3DES products to?  Thanks All in advance!
> >
> > Thomas




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Re: Export Control with 3DES encryption [7:60573]

2003-01-09 Thread The Long and Winding Road
""Thomas N.""  wrote in message
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Thank you very much!  This page bring me directly to the registration
page.
> However, I am wondering if I register with Cisco or with some government
> organization?  If I register with Cisco link below, will they
automatically
> submit it to certain government organization?  Thanks much!


can't help you there. I've never done any 3des internationally. just
domestic.


>
> Thomas
>
>
> ""The Long and Winding Road""  wrote in
> message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > yes, here is a link on the Cisco web site:
> >
> > http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin//Software/Crypto/crypto_main.pl
> >
> > this should get you started.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > --
> > TANSTAAFL
> > "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ""Thomas N.""  wrote in message
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I plan to buy VPN routers, ship them to Japan then deploy VPN between
> > Cisco
> > > routers using 3DES encryption between Japan and U.S. for my company.
Do
> I
> > > need to register with the government or certain organization?  How the
> > > process work?  Also, where can I find a list of countries allowed to
> > export
> > > 3DES products to?  Thanks All in advance!
> > >
> > > Thomas




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Re: Export Control with 3DES encryption [7:60573]

2003-01-09 Thread Thomas N.
Thank you very much!  This page bring me directly to the registration page.
However, I am wondering if I register with Cisco or with some government
organization?  If I register with Cisco link below, will they automatically
submit it to certain government organization?  Thanks much!

Thomas


""The Long and Winding Road""  wrote in
message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> yes, here is a link on the Cisco web site:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin//Software/Crypto/crypto_main.pl
>
> this should get you started.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> TANSTAAFL
> "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"
>
>
>
>
> ""Thomas N.""  wrote in message
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I plan to buy VPN routers, ship them to Japan then deploy VPN between
> Cisco
> > routers using 3DES encryption between Japan and U.S. for my company.  Do
I
> > need to register with the government or certain organization?  How the
> > process work?  Also, where can I find a list of countries allowed to
> export
> > 3DES products to?  Thanks All in advance!
> >
> > Thomas




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Re: Export Control with 3DES encryption [7:60573]

2003-01-07 Thread The Long and Winding Road
yes, here is a link on the Cisco web site:

http://www.cisco.com/cgi-bin//Software/Crypto/crypto_main.pl

this should get you started.

HTH

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TANSTAAFL
"there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"




""Thomas N.""  wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> I plan to buy VPN routers, ship them to Japan then deploy VPN between
Cisco
> routers using 3DES encryption between Japan and U.S. for my company.  Do I
> need to register with the government or certain organization?  How the
> process work?  Also, where can I find a list of countries allowed to
export
> 3DES products to?  Thanks All in advance!
>
> Thomas




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