RE: Multilayer Switching, CCO contradicts itself? [7:51272]

2002-08-14 Thread Thorne Gene

I think your argument makes a lot of sense. 

Turpin, Mark wrote:
 
 I can understand your disagreement.  But I hope you will
 understand that
 its semantics at this point.  A flow by any other name is still
 a flow.


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RE: Multilayer Switching, CCO contradicts itself? [7:51272]

2002-08-13 Thread Thorne Gene

In my understanding of MLS, the first paragraph is correct. Each
unidirectional sequence of packets with same source and destination and
transport layer is always a separate flow. The second paragraph seems to be
referring to the destination-ip flow mask, in which different flows with the
same destination are switched on the basis of a single MLS cache entry. This
does NOT imply that they are all the same flow, only that the destination-ip
mask directs all flows to the same cache entry. This is sort of analagous to
the way a subnet mask directs all IP packets to the same interface, hence
the use of the term mask.


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RE: Multilayer Switching, CCO contradicts itself? [7:51272]

2002-08-13 Thread Thorne Gene

I disagree. There are not 3 types of flows, just 3 ways to switch them.

destination-ip#8212;The least-specific flow mask. The MLS-SE maintains one
MLS entry for each destination IP address. All flows to a given destination
IP address use this MLS entry. This mode is used if there are no access
lists configured on any of the MLS-RP interfaces

Note the use of the phrase all flows in the quote.

Turpin, Mark wrote:
 
 There types of flows:
 Destination - per {dest} flow
 Source Destination - per {source/dest address} pair
 IP (aka Full) Flow - per {source, dest, protocol and port} set
 
 Look under the section labeled Flow Mask Modes
 



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RE: Multilayer Switching, CCO contradicts itself? [7:51272]

2002-08-13 Thread Turpin, Mark

I can understand your disagreement.  But I hope you will understand that
its semantics at this point.  A flow by any other name is still a flow.
You use a mask to match it.  Just like you use a wildcard mask to
match addresses in an access-list.

If I say to a co-worker, Use a full flow on that switch, I know the
meaning is still conveyed.  I want them to match on {s,d,prot,port}.

If you find yourself in a situation asking about a flow mask, and you're
faced with the options Full flow or Full flow mask:
1) Comment and say that the use of those answers together is terrible
2) Pick the full flow mask since you are being asked about masks

I wouldn't lose any sleep over this one =]

cheers,
-Mark

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I disagree. There are not 3 types of flows, just 3 ways to switch them.

destination-ip#8212;The least-specific flow mask. The MLS-SE maintains one
MLS entry for each destination IP address. All flows to a given destination
IP address use this MLS entry. This mode is used if there are no access
lists configured on any of the MLS-RP interfaces

Note the use of the phrase all flows in the quote.

Turpin, Mark wrote:
 
 There types of flows:
 Destination - per {dest} flow
 Source Destination - per {source/dest address} pair
 IP (aka Full) Flow - per {source, dest, protocol and port} set
 
 Look under the section labeled Flow Mask Modes
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RE: Multilayer Switching, CCO contradicts itself? [7:51272]

2002-08-12 Thread Turpin, Mark

There types of flows:
Destination - per {dest} flow
Source Destination - per {source/dest address} pair
IP (aka Full) Flow - per {source, dest, protocol and port} set

Look under the section labeled Flow Mask Modes

hth,
-mark


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Hello all. In the below quote from CCO, is Cisco contradicting themselves in
the 2nd paragraph regarding each transport-layer session being a different
flow? Or do they mean that IF only the destination IP is used to ID a flow,
THEN all diff transport-layer sessions are the same flow?

Thanks!

URL is:
http://www.cisco.com/univercd/cc/td/doc/product/lan/cat5000/rel_5_2/layer3/m
ls.htm

Quote is here:


A flow is a unidirectional sequence of packets between a particular source
and destination that share the same protocol and transport-layer
information. Communication from a client to a server and from the server to
the client are separate flows. For example, Telnet traffic transferred from
a particular source to a particular destination comprises a separate flow
from File Transfer Protocol (FTP) packets between the same source and
destination.

Flows are based only on Layer 3 addresses, which allow IP traffic from
multiple users or applications to a particular destination to be carried on
a single flow if only the destination IP address is used to identify a flow.

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