Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ?
Curtis, There are other solutions to your problem. If your using static routes for your default route, you can use floating statics to other router when primary fails. You can also do equal-cost multipath to both routers and load balance. HSRP/VRRP can do that with multiple groups/VRIDs but more resources. If your using a routing protocol, you should be able to originate a default route to the other router(s). Lastly, HSRP/VRRP are meant for redundancy for hosts default gateway settings. A static route to a HSRP/VRRP address would work but that only really makes sense if you have a lot of routers on one subnet with static routes. Why waste bandwidth/resources on HSRP/VRRP when routing protocols can do it? --- Curtis Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks... The reason I have been trying to pursue this to some conclusion is that we are trying to evaluate Juniper routers for an environment where only Cisco has existed previously. Since Juniper does not (and appears will not) support HSRP and Cisco has not chosen to implement VRRP, there appears to be no means to integrate them to work in this sort of default routing fail over application. Curtis From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:24:15 -0500 At 04:57 PM 3/22/2001 -0500, you wrote: Forgive me my ignorance, but does this mean that Juniper can integrate HSRP or that it is proprietary? Not being an intellectual property attorney (sigh of relief), my impression would be that Juniper cannot. Publishing a specification, without explictly putting it in the public domain, does not waive proprietary rights. Neither HSRP nor VRRP, however, is all that critical for carrier oriented routers. In most cases, there won't be large numbers of hosts defaulting to them, which is the major application for these protocols -- fault tolerance in finding a default gateway. There is some applicability to large hosting centers, where the hosted servers on switches default to routers. From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:38:39 -0500 At 10:56 AM 3/22/2001 -0800, you wrote: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2281.txt this is an informational RFC not in the standards track. Many vendors do publish proprietary protocol specifications as informational RFCs, but these rarely become standards. On the first page of an RFC, you will see it identified as standards track, informational, experimental, or historic. The standards track equivalent to HSRP is VRRP. Hey -- both of them derive from VAXcluster protocols, anyway! "Curtis Phillips" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Juniper definitely does not support HSRP as it is Cisco proprietary. "Leah Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has mentioned that Juniper supports Cisco HSRP too. I have not confirmed that. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Lemagie Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:57 AM To: Curtis Phillips; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Not yet. We are working on a VRRP implementation though. HSRP offers much more functionality than VRRP, but of course it is limited to usage with other Cisco devices. Chris Lemagie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Curtis Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Does anyone know if any IOS version supports VRRP on any of the standard platforms? Thanks, Curtis __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. _
Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ?
Juniper definitely does not support HSRP as it is Cisco proprietary. "Leah Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has mentioned that Juniper supports Cisco HSRP too. I have not confirmed that. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Lemagie Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:57 AM To: Curtis Phillips; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Not yet. We are working on a VRRP implementation though. HSRP offers much more functionality than VRRP, but of course it is limited to usage with other Cisco devices. Chris Lemagie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Curtis Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Does anyone know if any IOS version supports VRRP on any of the standard platforms? Thanks, Curtis __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ?
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2281.txt "Curtis Phillips" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Juniper definitely does not support HSRP as it is Cisco proprietary. "Leah Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has mentioned that Juniper supports Cisco HSRP too. I have not confirmed that. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Lemagie Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:57 AM To: Curtis Phillips; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Not yet. We are working on a VRRP implementation though. HSRP offers much more functionality than VRRP, but of course it is limited to usage with other Cisco devices. Chris Lemagie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Curtis Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Does anyone know if any IOS version supports VRRP on any of the standard platforms? Thanks, Curtis __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ?
At 10:56 AM 3/22/2001 -0800, you wrote: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2281.txt this is an informational RFC not in the standards track. Many vendors do publish proprietary protocol specifications as informational RFCs, but these rarely become standards. On the first page of an RFC, you will see it identified as standards track, informational, experimental, or historic. The standards track equivalent to HSRP is VRRP. Hey -- both of them derive from VAXcluster protocols, anyway! "Curtis Phillips" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Juniper definitely does not support HSRP as it is Cisco proprietary. "Leah Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has mentioned that Juniper supports Cisco HSRP too. I have not confirmed that. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Lemagie Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:57 AM To: Curtis Phillips; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Not yet. We are working on a VRRP implementation though. HSRP offers much more functionality than VRRP, but of course it is limited to usage with other Cisco devices. Chris Lemagie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Curtis Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Does anyone know if any IOS version supports VRRP on any of the standard platforms? Thanks, Curtis __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ?
At 04:57 PM 3/22/2001 -0500, you wrote: Forgive me my ignorance, but does this mean that Juniper can integrate HSRP or that it is proprietary? Not being an intellectual property attorney (sigh of relief), my impression would be that Juniper cannot. Publishing a specification, without explictly putting it in the public domain, does not waive proprietary rights. Neither HSRP nor VRRP, however, is all that critical for carrier oriented routers. In most cases, there won't be large numbers of hosts defaulting to them, which is the major application for these protocols -- fault tolerance in finding a default gateway. There is some applicability to large hosting centers, where the hosted servers on switches default to routers. From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:38:39 -0500 At 10:56 AM 3/22/2001 -0800, you wrote: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2281.txt this is an informational RFC not in the standards track. Many vendors do publish proprietary protocol specifications as informational RFCs, but these rarely become standards. On the first page of an RFC, you will see it identified as standards track, informational, experimental, or historic. The standards track equivalent to HSRP is VRRP. Hey -- both of them derive from VAXcluster protocols, anyway! "Curtis Phillips" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Juniper definitely does not support HSRP as it is Cisco proprietary. "Leah Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has mentioned that Juniper supports Cisco HSRP too. I have not confirmed that. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Lemagie Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:57 AM To: Curtis Phillips; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Not yet. We are working on a VRRP implementation though. HSRP offers much more functionality than VRRP, but of course it is limited to usage with other Cisco devices. Chris Lemagie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Curtis Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Does anyone know if any IOS version supports VRRP on any of the standard platforms? Thanks, Curtis __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ?
Thanks... The reason I have been trying to pursue this to some conclusion is that we are trying to evaluate Juniper routers for an environment where only Cisco has existed previously. Since Juniper does not (and appears will not) support HSRP and Cisco has not chosen to implement VRRP, there appears to be no means to integrate them to work in this sort of default routing fail over application. Curtis From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:24:15 -0500 At 04:57 PM 3/22/2001 -0500, you wrote: Forgive me my ignorance, but does this mean that Juniper can integrate HSRP or that it is proprietary? Not being an intellectual property attorney (sigh of relief), my impression would be that Juniper cannot. Publishing a specification, without explictly putting it in the public domain, does not waive proprietary rights. Neither HSRP nor VRRP, however, is all that critical for carrier oriented routers. In most cases, there won't be large numbers of hosts defaulting to them, which is the major application for these protocols -- fault tolerance in finding a default gateway. There is some applicability to large hosting centers, where the hosted servers on switches default to routers. From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:38:39 -0500 At 10:56 AM 3/22/2001 -0800, you wrote: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2281.txt this is an informational RFC not in the standards track. Many vendors do publish proprietary protocol specifications as informational RFCs, but these rarely become standards. On the first page of an RFC, you will see it identified as standards track, informational, experimental, or historic. The standards track equivalent to HSRP is VRRP. Hey -- both of them derive from VAXcluster protocols, anyway! "Curtis Phillips" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Juniper definitely does not support HSRP as it is Cisco proprietary. "Leah Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has mentioned that Juniper supports Cisco HSRP too. I have not confirmed that. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Lemagie Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:57 AM To: Curtis Phillips; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Not yet. We are working on a VRRP implementation though. HSRP offers much more functionality than VRRP, but of course it is limited to usage with other Cisco devices. Chris Lemagie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Curtis Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Does anyone know if any IOS version supports VRRP on any of the standard platforms? Thanks, Curtis __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.g
Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ?
you could use a 1 public many private switch, like alteon or f5 for example.. Bri On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Curtis Phillips wrote: Thanks... The reason I have been trying to pursue this to some conclusion is that we are trying to evaluate Juniper routers for an environment where only Cisco has existed previously. Since Juniper does not (and appears will not) support HSRP and Cisco has not chosen to implement VRRP, there appears to be no means to integrate them to work in this sort of default routing fail over application. Curtis From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:24:15 -0500 At 04:57 PM 3/22/2001 -0500, you wrote: Forgive me my ignorance, but does this mean that Juniper can integrate HSRP or that it is proprietary? Not being an intellectual property attorney (sigh of relief), my impression would be that Juniper cannot. Publishing a specification, without explictly putting it in the public domain, does not waive proprietary rights. Neither HSRP nor VRRP, however, is all that critical for carrier oriented routers. In most cases, there won't be large numbers of hosts defaulting to them, which is the major application for these protocols -- fault tolerance in finding a default gateway. There is some applicability to large hosting centers, where the hosted servers on switches default to routers. From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:38:39 -0500 At 10:56 AM 3/22/2001 -0800, you wrote: http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2281.txt this is an informational RFC not in the standards track. Many vendors do publish proprietary protocol specifications as informational RFCs, but these rarely become standards. On the first page of an RFC, you will see it identified as standards track, informational, experimental, or historic. The standards track equivalent to HSRP is VRRP. Hey -- both of them derive from VAXcluster protocols, anyway! "Curtis Phillips" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Juniper definitely does not support HSRP as it is Cisco proprietary. "Leah Lynch" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone has mentioned that Juniper supports Cisco HSRP too. I have not confirmed that. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Chris Lemagie Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:57 AM To: Curtis Phillips; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Not yet. We are working on a VRRP implementation though. HSRP offers much more functionality than VRRP, but of course it is limited to usage with other Cisco devices. Chris Lemagie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Curtis Phillips Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Cisco support for VRRP any platform ? Does anyone know if any IOS version supports VRRP on any of the standard platforms? Thanks, Curtis __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab **NOTE** All LAB SWAP messages should now be sent to the LAB SWAP Message board on groupstudy.com. ___ To unsubscribe from the CCIELAB list, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the body containing: unsubscribe ccielab __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ _ FAQ, list a
