Checkout Intrusion.com's products @www.intrusion.com, they have nice
Checkpoint FW-1 appliances available for relatively low cost. They are
significantly less expensive than Nokia.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Marshal Schoener
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: RE: worst company [7:25033]
Nokia's boxes are great, but if Checkpoint's prices are too high for you or
your clients, how do you think they will feel putting the same license on a
10 thousand dollar Nokia box :-)
We just purchased a new Nokia... $14,500... :)
-Original Message-
From: Jim Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT:RE: worst company [7:25033]
All I use are Nokia's. It is a great appliance. Nokia recently changed their
fee structure for direct support. I think your eyes might pop out of your
head when it comes time to renew.
-Original Message-
From: Eric Rivard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:48 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: worst company [7:25033]
I agree Checkpoint's support is terrible, and Cisco provides great support
for any of their products. I like Checkpoint because how flexible it is, the
features it provides and the great logging features of it. But it is very
expensive. Most of my clients run a PIX as a firewall, mainly because of the
price, but when my clients need to have a lot of functionality like multiple
vpns, e-mail stripping, etc, Checkpoint is the best for that (my biased
option. :) ). Although Checkpoint's support is terrible Nokia provides
excellent support for Checkpoint. If you buy a Checkpoint firewall, I highly
recommend running it on the Nokia IP platform because of how easy it is to
set up and Nokia's support is great. They know more about Checkpoint than
Checkpoints engineers do. Every time I have called Nokia, an engineer was on
the phone resolving my issue in about 60 secs. Not only that but they are
friendly too (something you don't see often.).
-Original Message-
From: root
Sent: Fri 11/2/2001 8:42 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:
Subject: Re: worst company [7:25033]
Marshal Schoener wrote:
Agreed, however there is great 3rd party support available for
Checkpoint
from many vendors.
UUNet has a very good support program for Checkpoint.
No matter who is supporting it though, Checkpoint's license
procedure is
horrible!
I once went 6 months from eval license to eval license because we
couldn't
get a permanent license to work properly.
That being said, in my opinion, there is no better firewall.
Regards,
-Original Message-
From: Jim Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: worst company [7:25033]
CheckPoint = (great product) - (any support infrastructure).
It is without a doubt the least supported product by a
manufacturer I have
ever seen. I have outstanding TAC cases over a year old! They
charge a
fortune for support and maintenance, which you must have, and you
get
nothing for it.
The only thing that actually keeps it running are the private
boards and
mailing lists.
It is extremely easy to use though and they own 60% of the market?
There are things you can do with CheckPoint that Cisco cannot even
begin to
emulate.
-Original Message-
From: Jim Bond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 11:23 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: worst company [7:25033]
Hello,
I had a very bad experience with Checkpoint and am
wondering if anyone had the same problem.
One of my clients wanted to try Checkpoint VPN-1 so I
filled out online eval form a month ago. A sales rep
called me the next day and said a reseller would
contact me in 5-10 days (5-10 minutes would make more
sense). I didn't hear nothing in 3 weeks so I filled
out online eval form again (I lost that rep's phone
number) and another sales rep called me said the same
thing. Now another week passed and I still didn't hear
nothing.
My client is very unhappy so he decide to go with
Cisco. Is Checkpoint's business so good that they
couldn't handle or what? Anyway, Checkpoint lost my
client and I would never work with them again.
Jim
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