Re: Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]
That's odd. I was not aware of these salient facts you have delineated below. I guess I must have been working with a misunderstanding here. My understanding is that the origins of the Cisco Internetworking Operating System (IOS) is most closely aligned from the TOPS-20 programming language. This was relayed to me by one of the three team members who wrote the original command line help (on or about IOS version 9.11 or thereabouts). He also happened to be the first CCIE outside of Cisco and the second CCIE in the world. I guess he could have been mistaken. Maybe this guy might be able to shed some light: http://www.clock.org/~fair/education.html As far as the origins of Cisco as a company are concerned, their history is fairly well documented. The original founders were Sandy Lerner and Len Bozack. They were at Stanford at the time and they needed a device that would pass network packets across the campus. This ultimately ended up taking the form of a multi-protocol router. You can read about it here: http://www.pbs.org/opb/nerds2.0.1/serving_suits/cisco.html As it turns out, Sandy is still controversial and frequently makes the local papers (washington Post et al) on things she is doing. She still lives on the horse farm out in Loudoun County, Virginia. Have a nice day. v/r, Paul Werner Ha ha you guys are too funny, but failed to contribute anything of substance. Way to go newbies and wannabies. LOL! BTW, youngen Eric, I was troubleshooting Cabletrons b4 there was Cisco. And the relationship? Guess where Cisco and IOS came from? CABLETRON. You learn something new everyday don't ya newbie. Get your own 800 number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4211t=3998 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]
I know the answer to this one guys! 5 years ago I had the unfortunate job of working in a mixed Cabletron and Cisco environment. As I was looking around in one of our routers in NY I saw that the device was running IOS. So I replied to my mentor, I thought that you said this was a Cabletron box? It is he said. You see Cabletron licensed the IOS software from Cisco many years ago to run on some of their boxes. I can see where some folks might get this confused. I still have two of these devices sitting in my storage room. Tim LeBrun CCNA, CCDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Werner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998] That's odd. I was not aware of these salient facts you have delineated below. I guess I must have been working with a misunderstanding here. My understanding is that the origins of the Cisco Internetworking Operating System (IOS) is most closely aligned from the TOPS-20 programming language. This was relayed to me by one of the three team members who wrote the original command line help (on or about IOS version 9.11 or thereabouts). He also happened to be the first CCIE outside of Cisco and the second CCIE in the world. I guess he could have been mistaken. Maybe this guy might be able to shed some light: http://www.clock.org/~fair/education.html As far as the origins of Cisco as a company are concerned, their history is fairly well documented. The original founders were Sandy Lerner and Len Bozack. They were at Stanford at the time and they needed a device that would pass network packets across the campus. This ultimately ended up taking the form of a multi-protocol router. You can read about it here: http://www.pbs.org/opb/nerds2.0.1/serving_suits/cisco.html As it turns out, Sandy is still controversial and frequently makes the local papers (washington Post et al) on things she is doing. She still lives on the horse farm out in Loudoun County, Virginia. Have a nice day. v/r, Paul Werner Ha ha you guys are too funny, but failed to contribute anything of substance. Way to go newbies and wannabies. LOL! BTW, youngen Eric, I was troubleshooting Cabletrons b4 there was Cisco. And the relationship? Guess where Cisco and IOS came from? CABLETRON. You learn something new everyday don't ya newbie. Get your own 800 number Voicemail, fax, email, and a lot more http://www.ureach.com/reg/tag FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4221t=3998 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]
The Cabletron routing card, for a long time, was an IGS router card mechanically modified to fit into Cabletron's form factor. Cisco and Cabletron had a really big fight about licensing a few years ago, and Cisco very ostentatiously withdrew the agreement. This whole thread does have its silliness. I was doing internetworking long before Cisco was founded. Try asynchronous process control between PDP-8 instrument controllers and PDP-11 timesharing machines (1970), Uniscope 300 on UNIVAC running EXEC 8 (1967), IBM BSC remote batch (1971), etc. MITRENET broadband LANs in the late 70s. Later, at Telenet, it was a big step to go from our Prime minicomputer routers to the custom-built multi-6502 packet switches. My first IP was on Sun 3's. Newbies and wannabes. Yup. Haven't seen you at the IETF, NANOG, RIPE, or IRTF, Q. Written any RFC's lately? Architected any routers? Developed protocol conformance or performance tests? Hey, it's been a long week. I know the answer to this one guys! 5 years ago I had the unfortunate job of working in a mixed Cabletron and Cisco environment. As I was looking around in one of our routers in NY I saw that the device was running IOS. So I replied to my mentor, I thought that you said this was a Cabletron box? It is he said. You see Cabletron licensed the IOS software from Cisco many years ago to run on some of their boxes. I can see where some folks might get this confused. I still have two of these devices sitting in my storage room. Tim LeBrun CCNA, CCDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Werner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998] That's odd. I was not aware of these salient facts you have delineated below. I guess I must have been working with a misunderstanding here. My understanding is that the origins of the Cisco Internetworking Operating System (IOS) is most closely aligned from the TOPS-20 programming language. This was relayed to me by one of the three team members who wrote the original command line help (on or about IOS version 9.11 or thereabouts). He also happened to be the first CCIE outside of Cisco and the second CCIE in the world. I guess he could have been mistaken. Maybe this guy might be able to shed some light: http://www.clock.org/~fair/education.html As far as the origins of Cisco as a company are concerned, their history is fairly well documented. The original founders were Sandy Lerner and Len Bozack. They were at Stanford at the time and they needed a device that would pass network packets across the campus. This ultimately ended up taking the form of a multi-protocol router. You can read about it here: http://www.pbs.org/opb/nerds2.0.1/serving_suits/cisco.html As it turns out, Sandy is still controversial and frequently makes the local papers (washington Post et al) on things she is doing. She still lives on the horse farm out in Loudoun County, Virginia. Have a nice day. v/r, Paul Werner Ha ha you guys are too funny, but failed to contribute anything of substance. Way to go newbies and wannabies. LOL! BTW, youngen Eric, I was troubleshooting Cabletrons b4 there was Cisco. And the relationship? Guess where Cisco and IOS came from? CABLETRON. You learn something new everyday don't ya newbie. Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4229t=3998 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998]
rise above it dude - we know you're better than that, long week or not take care Andy - Original Message - From: Howard C. Berkowitz To: Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: RE: Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998] The Cabletron routing card, for a long time, was an IGS router card mechanically modified to fit into Cabletron's form factor. Cisco and Cabletron had a really big fight about licensing a few years ago, and Cisco very ostentatiously withdrew the agreement. This whole thread does have its silliness. I was doing internetworking long before Cisco was founded. Try asynchronous process control between PDP-8 instrument controllers and PDP-11 timesharing machines (1970), Uniscope 300 on UNIVAC running EXEC 8 (1967), IBM BSC remote batch (1971), etc. MITRENET broadband LANs in the late 70s. Later, at Telenet, it was a big step to go from our Prime minicomputer routers to the custom-built multi-6502 packet switches. My first IP was on Sun 3's. Newbies and wannabes. Yup. Haven't seen you at the IETF, NANOG, RIPE, or IRTF, Q. Written any RFC's lately? Architected any routers? Developed protocol conformance or performance tests? Hey, it's been a long week. I know the answer to this one guys! 5 years ago I had the unfortunate job of working in a mixed Cabletron and Cisco environment. As I was looking around in one of our routers in NY I saw that the device was running IOS. So I replied to my mentor, I thought that you said this was a Cabletron box? It is he said. You see Cabletron licensed the IOS software from Cisco many years ago to run on some of their boxes. I can see where some folks might get this confused. I still have two of these devices sitting in my storage room. Tim LeBrun CCNA, CCDA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Paul Werner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 1:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: CCIE #7354 - for Jeff McCoy [7:3998] That's odd. I was not aware of these salient facts you have delineated below. I guess I must have been working with a misunderstanding here. My understanding is that the origins of the Cisco Internetworking Operating System (IOS) is most closely aligned from the TOPS-20 programming language. This was relayed to me by one of the three team members who wrote the original command line help (on or about IOS version 9.11 or thereabouts). He also happened to be the first CCIE outside of Cisco and the second CCIE in the world. I guess he could have been mistaken. Maybe this guy might be able to shed some light: http://www.clock.org/~fair/education.html As far as the origins of Cisco as a company are concerned, their history is fairly well documented. The original founders were Sandy Lerner and Len Bozack. They were at Stanford at the time and they needed a device that would pass network packets across the campus. This ultimately ended up taking the form of a multi-protocol router. You can read about it here: http://www.pbs.org/opb/nerds2.0.1/serving_suits/cisco.html As it turns out, Sandy is still controversial and frequently makes the local papers (washington Post et al) on things she is doing. She still lives on the horse farm out in Loudoun County, Virginia. Have a nice day. v/r, Paul Werner Ha ha you guys are too funny, but failed to contribute anything of substance. Way to go newbies and wannabies. LOL! BTW, youngen Eric, I was troubleshooting Cabletrons b4 there was Cisco. And the relationship? Guess where Cisco and IOS came from? CABLETRON. You learn something new everyday don't ya newbie. FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=4237t=3998 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
