Fred, I respect you. You are one of the top repliers at the moment, terms of
qual and freq. I am learning a lot from you, between work en heavy (i mean
heavy) cramming an typing for my coming lab. And I mean it. I get a laugh
out of your, Fred, (ccna) and answering ccie level q&a!

>>>
More than one platform depending on req's MAYBE also deployment costs, EOL
(800 806-820's-830's series spinning like crazy, 501 here to stay, vpn hw
client okay.)

Please stop because we're fishing, we need facts.

RYAN,

Please give us a list of req's. 

When you design 10-20 sites you ask for a box.
When you design 2000 sites you design a total solution.

Management of 
- config, 
- change, 
- security, 
- availability, 
- performance and 
- capacity. 

I am sure I forgot one.
You catch my drift?
I am also curious about service offered, need front-end? back-end? DMZ's?
etc. 

Learnt as designer consultant etc that if you make a quicky of business
req's you'll pay afterwards, because it is not what customer had hoped
for........

Trusted -untrusted client sites.

Martijn 

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Reimer, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: maandag 11 augustus 2003 16:02
Aan: Jansen, M; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: RE: VPN Best Hardware to use? [7:73793]


I would certainly hope that the remotes wouldn't use different platforms.  I
don't know the business model, but it sounds to me like it's some kind of
service offering or something.  Maybe they have a 2000 site Frame Relay
network used to offer a service or something, and they want to switch to
something more economical.  Instead of paying monthly circuit fees, pay a
one-time hardware cost (assuming they don't own the FR routers at the
customer end) and use the customer's Internet connection.  Why in the world
would you want different hardware at each customer site in that situation?
Standardize on one hardware platform, and build the cost of that hardware
into the business model...

If that's the case then the cost of a 3005 can be justified in a small
number of months, depending on your FR cost.  Certainly you would recoup
your cost and start making more money, due to less operating cost,
relatively quickly.

Now, if this is something else, like a company with 2000 offices throughout
the world, then I can see your point and you may end up with different
requirements.  But, that's not how it sounds so far.

Fred Reimer - CCNA


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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 6:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: VPN Best Hardware to use? [7:73793]

Despite all hw issues, you really need to 
- describe the business req's first
- translate to technical req's

(you are talking 2000+ sites)

And you will see that you'll need more than one platform for de Remotes.

Dependig on your hierarchy concerning 
- messaging
- authentication
- client-server
- webapps 
- desktop/register maintenance/management
- security man

You will need to or may want to build an hierarchical design. Keep in mind
that differen platfroms use different (HQ) fail-over or 2nd ip techniques.

Martijn


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Ryan Finnesey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: zondag 10 augustus 2003 4:36
Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Onderwerp: VPN Best Hardware to use? [7:73793]


I need to setup VPNs to about 2000 sites.  Each site will have an IDSL line
installed that will be used to connect to monitor network devices and
servers.  Some of the remote networks will be using the same network block. 
I am looking to know what the best hardware to use on each end is.  On my
end, would it be better to use a PIX or a 3030?  On the remote end, I was
looking at a PIX 501, SOHO 91 or the 831?


Thank you


Ryan
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