RE: VPN CONCENTRATOR Parallel FW [7:66819]

2003-04-04 Thread Joseph Brunner
You need a router when running them parrallel.
The router will determine internet traffic goes to the pix, remote
vpn lan's etc go to the vpn 3000.

Mine is like

VPN 3000 PIX
10.0.0.210.0.0.10


   10.0.0.0/24

10.0.0.1
  RTR
192.168.0.1

SERVERS 192.168.0.0/24


This way no servers need "route" commands to know where
to route what. And you guessed it, my vpn clients get addresses
on the subnet between router and vpn (10.0.0.0/24)


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Re: VPN CONCENTRATOR Parallel FW [7:66819]

2003-04-04 Thread neil K.
Joseph,

In this scenario all you had to do is specify the TUNNEL DEFAULT Gateway on
the Concentrator, Is that right.
Also In site to site VPN case, the remote site can get the DHCP addresses
from the servers if we define helper address on the remote site VPN
router...right ?

Thanks,

neil

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> You need a router when running them parrallel.
> The router will determine internet traffic goes to the pix, remote
> vpn lan's etc go to the vpn 3000.
>
> Mine is like
>
> VPN 3000 PIX
> 10.0.0.210.0.0.10
>
>
>10.0.0.0/24
>
> 10.0.0.1
>   RTR
> 192.168.0.1
>
> SERVERS 192.168.0.0/24
>
>
> This way no servers need "route" commands to know where
> to route what. And you guessed it, my vpn clients get addresses
> on the subnet between router and vpn (10.0.0.0/24)




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RE: VPN CONCENTRATOR Parallel FW [7:66819]

2003-04-04 Thread Joseph Brunner
No Read what the tunnel default gateway does... (from the concentrator
page where you set it)

"Enter the IP address of the default gateway or router for tunnels. Enter
0.0.0.0 for no default router."

This is used to have a different gateway for IPSEC tunnels than
for ip routing.. 

What we are discussing is how servers with two possible next hops,
a pix and a vpn, will determine which to use for what subnets.

The servers (defaulted to the pix) have to bypass it to speak to
remote subnet (and use the concentrator instead).
A common workaround (one I used to employ) was NT route add statements
for each subnet that should "bypass" the pix, their default gateway,
and use the Concentrator instead. A better and more scalable
solution is to put a router between the concentrator and pix internal
segment, and the servers.

INBOUND
For inbound internet and inbound ipsec tunnel traffic back, 
the pix and the vpn concentrator have a route to the "server's subnet" with
the router as the next-hop.

OUTBOUND
Subnets reachable via vpn 3000 are routed to the vpn concentrator's private
interface, a default route for Outbound Internet traffic is towards the pix.


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RE: VPN CONCENTRATOR Parallel FW [7:66819]

2003-04-05 Thread Symon Thurlow
I have found it easier, and perhaps easier to audit, if you have the VPN
box reside in parallel on the outside, but terminate the inside of the
VPN box in one of your firewalls' DMZ sections.

This allows you to place firewall rules on all traffic coming through
and report easily on them. It also keeps one DG for all traffic (if you
presently only have your firewall).

If you only have one firewall, it does introduce another single point of
failure however.

Symon

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Subject: RE: VPN CONCENTRATOR Parallel FW [7:66819]


No Read what the tunnel default gateway does... (from the concentrator
page where you set it)

"Enter the IP address of the default gateway or router for tunnels.
Enter 0.0.0.0 for no default router."

This is used to have a different gateway for IPSEC tunnels than for ip
routing.. 

What we are discussing is how servers with two possible next hops, a pix
and a vpn, will determine which to use for what subnets.

The servers (defaulted to the pix) have to bypass it to speak to remote
subnet (and use the concentrator instead). A common workaround (one I
used to employ) was NT route add statements for each subnet that should
"bypass" the pix, their default gateway, and use the Concentrator
instead. A better and more scalable solution is to put a router between
the concentrator and pix internal segment, and the servers.

INBOUND
For inbound internet and inbound ipsec tunnel traffic back, 
the pix and the vpn concentrator have a route to the "server's subnet"
with the router as the next-hop.

OUTBOUND
Subnets reachable via vpn 3000 are routed to the vpn concentrator's
private interface, a default route for Outbound Internet traffic is
towards the pix.
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