Re: Which Job Should I Take?
An interesting choice. Two thoughts come to mind: 1) Choose one. Now, how do you feel about that choice? Most people feel buyers remorse - you are looking for the reasons that you feel the pit in the stomach. 2) You are usually best off from a career perspective working with others. I say this as the overnight shift typically has fewer resources around and fewer opportunities for promotion, etc. The pre-IPO issue is of concern - you need to go further though. What is their funding, business model, revenue and cash flow, and opportunity for advancement. IF they are paying the same salary but the options are bonus then you are simply comparing one lay-off opportunity for another. Are you better off with some great risk for more opportunity that could get you the next position faster? --- RG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is all going to come down to your personal preference. I would gather from your comments that you are leaning towards the first one. It sounds like the route I would go even though I would hate the shift it's still better than putting on a tie, but you stated you liked that shift so that would not be a problem for you. - Original Message - From: "Traceroute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: Which Job Should I Take? I was wondering if you all could share your opinions with me. I have a = choice of two jobs to take listed below. Both are an increase in pay of = about 9k. 1. My current Job: They are going to title me "network engineer" working = 4 10 hour days 1 pm to midnight ( I love the hours) , but we work with = cabletron, checkpoint and cisco. We have a campus and WAN support = responsibility. Sometimes it's a bit slow when nothing is happening and = I may get some "Win NT" duties, yuck I would have sunday, monday and = tuesdays off and could possibly get some good side gigs. Last but not = least, it's business casual. 2. New Job Offer: I will be titled a "network administrator" working 8 = to 5 monday through friday ( I hate waking up early ), but getting = exposure to ATM, Voice over IP and voice over ATM. Lots of MC 3810s = about 50 or so with conections all over the US. One thing is for sure is = there are NT admins to handle the "Win NT" issues, I really want to = graduate from the NT support world for good. This company is also = pre-ipo and although they are a huge company, this is a new "division" = and pre-ipo makes me nervous because I have a family to support. One = cool thing is that they are a cisco gold partner. One bad thing is that = they are business dress, yes the whole tie thing. The pre-ipo thing = makes me nervous because they say "yea when we go public, lots of the = big wigs will be rich"... Does this mean new management takeovers = etc...?? Anyway, thanks for any input... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Robert Padjen __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Job Should I Take?
I would also ask if either of these requires you to be "on call" 24/7. That would be a major factor for me. --- Traceroute [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if you all could share your opinions with me. I have a = choice of two jobs to take listed below. Both are an increase in pay of = about 9k. 1. My current Job: They are going to title me "network engineer" working = 4 10 hour days 1 pm to midnight ( I love the hours) , but we work with = cabletron, checkpoint and cisco. We have a campus and WAN support = responsibility. Sometimes it's a bit slow when nothing is happening and = I may get some "Win NT" duties, yuck I would have sunday, monday and = tuesdays off and could possibly get some good side gigs. Last but not = least, it's business casual. 2. New Job Offer: I will be titled a "network administrator" working 8 = to 5 monday through friday ( I hate waking up early ), but getting = exposure to ATM, Voice over IP and voice over ATM. Lots of MC 3810s = about 50 or so with conections all over the US. One thing is for sure is = there are NT admins to handle the "Win NT" issues, I really want to = graduate from the NT support world for good. This company is also = pre-ipo and although they are a huge company, this is a new "division" = and pre-ipo makes me nervous because I have a family to support. One = cool thing is that they are a cisco gold partner. One bad thing is that = they are business dress, yes the whole tie thing. The pre-ipo thing = makes me nervous because they say "yea when we go public, lots of the = big wigs will be rich"... Does this mean new management takeovers = etc...?? Anyway, thanks for any input... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] = from The Big Lebowski... The Dude: You sure he won't mind? Bunny: Dieter doesn't care about anything. He's a nihilist. The Dude: Ohhh, that must be exhausting... __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which Job Should I Take?
I know what I would do, but that should not influate your decision. We all have different goals, and if you have a family to support, you should talk with them first before you make your choice. With a wife and kids there's big difference from working 9-5 to 1-midnight. You'll get used to the business dress very quickly, so don't let that scare you too much. A title is "just" a title, but maybe they would offer you a better one at your current job if you deside to go with the new one. I have no idea what pre-ipo means, so I can't guide you in that matter. Hth, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job -Original Message- From: Traceroute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which Job Should I Take? I was wondering if you all could share your opinions with me. I have a = choice of two jobs to take listed below. Both are an increase in pay of = about 9k. 1. My current Job: They are going to title me "network engineer" working = 4 10 hour days 1 pm to midnight ( I love the hours) , but we work with = cabletron, checkpoint and cisco. We have a campus and WAN support = responsibility. Sometimes it's a bit slow when nothing is happening and = I may get some "Win NT" duties, yuck I would have sunday, monday and = tuesdays off and could possibly get some good side gigs. Last but not = least, it's business casual. 2. New Job Offer: I will be titled a "network administrator" working 8 = to 5 monday through friday ( I hate waking up early ), but getting = exposure to ATM, Voice over IP and voice over ATM. Lots of MC 3810s = about 50 or so with conections all over the US. One thing is for sure is = there are NT admins to handle the "Win NT" issues, I really want to = graduate from the NT support world for good. This company is also = pre-ipo and although they are a huge company, this is a new "division" = and pre-ipo makes me nervous because I have a family to support. One = cool thing is that they are a cisco gold partner. One bad thing is that = they are business dress, yes the whole tie thing. The pre-ipo thing = makes me nervous because they say "yea when we go public, lots of the = big wigs will be rich"... Does this mean new management takeovers = etc...?? Anyway, thanks for any input... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Job Should I Take?
This is all going to come down to your personal preference. I would gather from your comments that you are leaning towards the first one. It sounds like the route I would go even though I would hate the shift it's still better than putting on a tie, but you stated you liked that shift so that would not be a problem for you. - Original Message - From: "Traceroute" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: Which Job Should I Take? I was wondering if you all could share your opinions with me. I have a = choice of two jobs to take listed below. Both are an increase in pay of = about 9k. 1. My current Job: They are going to title me "network engineer" working = 4 10 hour days 1 pm to midnight ( I love the hours) , but we work with = cabletron, checkpoint and cisco. We have a campus and WAN support = responsibility. Sometimes it's a bit slow when nothing is happening and = I may get some "Win NT" duties, yuck I would have sunday, monday and = tuesdays off and could possibly get some good side gigs. Last but not = least, it's business casual. 2. New Job Offer: I will be titled a "network administrator" working 8 = to 5 monday through friday ( I hate waking up early ), but getting = exposure to ATM, Voice over IP and voice over ATM. Lots of MC 3810s = about 50 or so with conections all over the US. One thing is for sure is = there are NT admins to handle the "Win NT" issues, I really want to = graduate from the NT support world for good. This company is also = pre-ipo and although they are a huge company, this is a new "division" = and pre-ipo makes me nervous because I have a family to support. One = cool thing is that they are a cisco gold partner. One bad thing is that = they are business dress, yes the whole tie thing. The pre-ipo thing = makes me nervous because they say "yea when we go public, lots of the = big wigs will be rich"... Does this mean new management takeovers = etc...?? Anyway, thanks for any input... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which Job Should I Take?
Pre-IPO indicates the company has plans to go public (ie sell shares of the company on the stock market). This topic should also probably be moved to the jobs list. As far as the two job options, I'd chose the opportunity that will allow you to work with the technology you want to work with. These two jobs are very different from each other. I'd think the major decision would be "do I want to focus/pursue VoX technology?" That should make your decision fairly easy as in my experience you will either love the Voice arena or you will hate it. I'd say getting involved with the Voice arena has a high chance of getting you off the RS studies. But on the other hand the Voice arena is getting huge! Opportunities are popping up left and right for people focused on Cisco AVVID technologies. I'd evaluate your interest in Voice and then make your decision based on that. Another side note, if you determine that you are in fact interested in pursuing Voice technology then I wouldn't worry about the company being pre-IPO. If they fail, and the department you work in gets cut, you will find getting another job dealing with Voice to be no problem. Remember, hours and dress are petty concerns compared to what you actually "do" for a living. HTH Best Regards, --Mike -Original Message- From: Ole Drews Jensen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:22 AM To: 'Traceroute'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Which Job Should I Take? I know what I would do, but that should not influate your decision. We all have different goals, and if you have a family to support, you should talk with them first before you make your choice. With a wife and kids there's big difference from working 9-5 to 1-midnight. You'll get used to the business dress very quickly, so don't let that scare you too much. A title is "just" a title, but maybe they would offer you a better one at your current job if you deside to go with the new one. I have no idea what pre-ipo means, so I can't guide you in that matter. Hth, Ole Ole Drews Jensen Systems Network Manager CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I RWR Enterprises, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.CiscoKing.com NEED A JOB ??? http://www.oledrews.com/job -Original Message- From: Traceroute [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which Job Should I Take? I was wondering if you all could share your opinions with me. I have a = choice of two jobs to take listed below. Both are an increase in pay of = about 9k. 1. My current Job: They are going to title me "network engineer" working = 4 10 hour days 1 pm to midnight ( I love the hours) , but we work with = cabletron, checkpoint and cisco. We have a campus and WAN support = responsibility. Sometimes it's a bit slow when nothing is happening and = I may get some "Win NT" duties, yuck I would have sunday, monday and = tuesdays off and could possibly get some good side gigs. Last but not = least, it's business casual. 2. New Job Offer: I will be titled a "network administrator" working 8 = to 5 monday through friday ( I hate waking up early ), but getting = exposure to ATM, Voice over IP and voice over ATM. Lots of MC 3810s = about 50 or so with conections all over the US. One thing is for sure is = there are NT admins to handle the "Win NT" issues, I really want to = graduate from the NT support world for good. This company is also = pre-ipo and although they are a huge company, this is a new "division" = and pre-ipo makes me nervous because I have a family to support. One = cool thing is that they are a cisco gold partner. One bad thing is that = they are business dress, yes the whole tie thing. The pre-ipo thing = makes me nervous because they say "yea when we go public, lots of the = big wigs will be rich"... Does this mean new management takeovers = etc...?? Anyway, thanks for any input... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Which Job Should I Take?
"Pre-IPO" in our current market could mean you might strike it rich over night over looking for a new job the next day. I tend to be more of a traditionalist and stick with estabilished companies, but there is something to say for sticking your neck out. No matter what, have a back up plan. Denis I have no idea what pre-ipo means, so I can't guide you in that matter. Hth, Ole _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Job Should I Take?
I took a pre-ipo offer with 2000 shares of non-existent stock. Unfortunately it was a .com that started a year before the .com crash Looking back I don't regret it though. I got a ton of experience setting up frame-relay circuits, firewalls, and all other network administration. It all has to balance out with what you enjoy doing, the stability of the company (layoffs or shutdowns are possible in pre-ipo), and of course..$$. - Original Message - From: "Denis A. Baldwin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'Ole Drews Jensen'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "'Traceroute'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 1:54 PM Subject: RE: Which Job Should I Take? "Pre-IPO" in our current market could mean you might strike it rich over night over looking for a new job the next day. I tend to be more of a traditionalist and stick with estabilished companies, but there is something to say for sticking your neck out. No matter what, have a back up plan. Denis I have no idea what pre-ipo means, so I can't guide you in that matter. Hth, Ole _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Job Should I Take?
I hear the MC3810s will be on their way out soon. Just my two cents worth. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNP+Security/CCDP, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Cisco resources: http://r2cisco.artoo.net/ ""Casey Fahey"" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... FWIW, I would take the job that I felt better about and felt I would be most successful in. In your case, that is probably Job # 1. HTH, Casey Fahey CCNP MCSE I was wondering if you all could share your opinions with me. I have a = choice of two jobs to take listed below. Both are an increase in pay of = about 9k. 1. My current Job: They are going to title me "network engineer" working = 4 10 hour days 1 pm to midnight ( I love the hours) , but we work with = cabletron, checkpoint and cisco. We have a campus and WAN support = responsibility. Sometimes it's a bit slow when nothing is happening and = I may get some "Win NT" duties, yuck I would have sunday, monday and = tuesdays off and could possibly get some good side gigs. Last but not = least, it's business casual. 2. New Job Offer: I will be titled a "network administrator" working 8 = to 5 monday through friday ( I hate waking up early ), but getting = exposure to ATM, Voice over IP and voice over ATM. Lots of MC 3810s = about 50 or so with conections all over the US. One thing is for sure is = there are NT admins to handle the "Win NT" issues, I really want to = graduate from the NT support world for good. This company is also = pre-ipo and although they are a huge company, this is a new "division" = and pre-ipo makes me nervous because I have a family to support. One = cool thing is that they are a cisco gold partner. One bad thing is that = they are business dress, yes the whole tie thing. The pre-ipo thing = makes me nervous because they say "yea when we go public, lots of the = big wigs will be rich"... Does this mean new management takeovers = etc...?? Anyway, thanks for any input... _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
