Re: Followup: RE: To The Experts and Gurus [7:42996]
John, hehehe, I get it now... I have been talking back and forth with others on the post and they told me what you were trying to do. I did not even notice the flame at the other list has started on the NP side as well. - Paul CCIE #8960 (and yes, I read Howard's posts and learn from it as well) :-) John Neiberger wrote: I need to make a clarification. I was *completely* joking in my previous email but apparently my usual sarcasm didn't shine through as expected. My point was that instead of whining we should gratefully accept the help given from those far more experienced than us. I'm specifically referring to Howard (because of another thread going on right now) but it applies to many others here, as well. I've been on the list for over three years and these folks have been indispensable to me. If you really listen to what they're saying you can learn an amazing amount of material while developing logical configuration and troubleshooting skills. I just don't understand why some participants feel the need to bash those who bring so much to the list. I think because I haven't been getting much sleep lately that I'm particularly grumpy. ;-) Perhaps that is what is hampering my ability to be sarcastic without getting into too much trouble. John Paul Jin 5/1/02 12:18:06 PM Hi John, I see your concern, but would have to disagree to a certain degree. Certification is very important, and vast discussion here in groupstudy is dedicated to Cisco cert, but not everything is a cisco world. I am not saying we should start discussing, the difference between VB and C++ here but I still welcome networking discussion in general that is related to being a network engineer. In agreeing with you, I would like to somehow limit posting that is totally irrelevant so we can have some focus but I don't think talking only about Cisco equipment and only by CCIE is an answer. My goal is to be a professional network engineer, and Cisco is my main product, but I don't want to limit my knowledge to just that or listen to CCIEs only. Many Corporate executive jobs require bachelors and masters degrees, but there are presidents and CEOs that never went or finished college, so should we exclude listening to them about running a business? Certs are important, but I don't think we should limit people because they do not have a certain cert. - Paul Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43012t=42996 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup: RE: To The Experts and Gurus [7:42996]
Here, you can put this on your shelf next to your Doyle book after you order it: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0805039376/qid=1020281541/sr=1-2/ref= sr_1_2/102-5369585-3026562 :- ) John Neiberger wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I need to make a clarification. I was *completely* joking in my previous email but apparently my usual sarcasm didn't shine through as expected. My point was that instead of whining we should gratefully accept the help given from those far more experienced than us. I'm specifically referring to Howard (because of another thread going on right now) but it applies to many others here, as well. I've been on the list for over three years and these folks have been indispensable to me. If you really listen to what they're saying you can learn an amazing amount of material while developing logical configuration and troubleshooting skills. I just don't understand why some participants feel the need to bash those who bring so much to the list. I think because I haven't been getting much sleep lately that I'm particularly grumpy. ;-) Perhaps that is what is hampering my ability to be sarcastic without getting into too much trouble. John Paul Jin 5/1/02 12:18:06 PM Hi John, I see your concern, but would have to disagree to a certain degree. Certification is very important, and vast discussion here in groupstudy is dedicated to Cisco cert, but not everything is a cisco world. I am not saying we should start discussing, the difference between VB and C++ here but I still welcome networking discussion in general that is related to being a network engineer. In agreeing with you, I would like to somehow limit posting that is totally irrelevant so we can have some focus but I don't think talking only about Cisco equipment and only by CCIE is an answer. My goal is to be a professional network engineer, and Cisco is my main product, but I don't want to limit my knowledge to just that or listen to CCIEs only. Many Corporate executive jobs require bachelors and masters degrees, but there are presidents and CEOs that never went or finished college, so should we exclude listening to them about running a business? Certs are important, but I don't think we should limit people because they do not have a certain cert. - Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43014t=42996 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup: RE: To The Experts and Gurus [7:42996]
I was wondering. I've seen some of your other posts and it didn't seem like you ;) JR -- Johnny Routin The Routin One John Neiberger wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I need to make a clarification. I was *completely* joking in my previous email but apparently my usual sarcasm didn't shine through as expected. My point was that instead of whining we should gratefully accept the help given from those far more experienced than us. I'm specifically referring to Howard (because of another thread going on right now) but it applies to many others here, as well. I've been on the list for over three years and these folks have been indispensable to me. If you really listen to what they're saying you can learn an amazing amount of material while developing logical configuration and troubleshooting skills. I just don't understand why some participants feel the need to bash those who bring so much to the list. I think because I haven't been getting much sleep lately that I'm particularly grumpy. ;-) Perhaps that is what is hampering my ability to be sarcastic without getting into too much trouble. John Paul Jin 5/1/02 12:18:06 PM Hi John, I see your concern, but would have to disagree to a certain degree. Certification is very important, and vast discussion here in groupstudy is dedicated to Cisco cert, but not everything is a cisco world. I am not saying we should start discussing, the difference between VB and C++ here but I still welcome networking discussion in general that is related to being a network engineer. In agreeing with you, I would like to somehow limit posting that is totally irrelevant so we can have some focus but I don't think talking only about Cisco equipment and only by CCIE is an answer. My goal is to be a professional network engineer, and Cisco is my main product, but I don't want to limit my knowledge to just that or listen to CCIEs only. Many Corporate executive jobs require bachelors and masters degrees, but there are presidents and CEOs that never went or finished college, so should we exclude listening to them about running a business? Certs are important, but I don't think we should limit people because they do not have a certain cert. - Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43028t=42996 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Followup: RE: To The Experts and Gurus [7:42996]
I'm really not sure what all the fuss was about, I thought it was pretty clear John was being facetious. The other thread he refers to however, is the one that should have raised hackles. Anyway John, I found it amusing. Of course I tend to the sarcastic side myself, so maybe that's why! :) John Neiberger cc: Sent by:Subject: Followup: RE: To The Experts and Gurus [7:42996] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/01/2002 03:28 PM Please respond to John Neiberger I need to make a clarification. I was *completely* joking in my previous email but apparently my usual sarcasm didn't shine through as expected. My point was that instead of whining we should gratefully accept the help given from those far more experienced than us. I'm specifically referring to Howard (because of another thread going on right now) but it applies to many others here, as well. I've been on the list for over three years and these folks have been indispensable to me. If you really listen to what they're saying you can learn an amazing amount of material while developing logical configuration and troubleshooting skills. I just don't understand why some participants feel the need to bash those who bring so much to the list. I think because I haven't been getting much sleep lately that I'm particularly grumpy. ;-) Perhaps that is what is hampering my ability to be sarcastic without getting into too much trouble. John Paul Jin 5/1/02 12:18:06 PM Hi John, I see your concern, but would have to disagree to a certain degree. Certification is very important, and vast discussion here in groupstudy is dedicated to Cisco cert, but not everything is a cisco world. I am not saying we should start discussing, the difference between VB and C++ here but I still welcome networking discussion in general that is related to being a network engineer. In agreeing with you, I would like to somehow limit posting that is totally irrelevant so we can have some focus but I don't think talking only about Cisco equipment and only by CCIE is an answer. My goal is to be a professional network engineer, and Cisco is my main product, but I don't want to limit my knowledge to just that or listen to CCIEs only. Many Corporate executive jobs require bachelors and masters degrees, but there are presidents and CEOs that never went or finished college, so should we exclude listening to them about running a business? Certs are important, but I don't think we should limit people because they do not have a certain cert. - Paul Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7i=43054t=42996 -- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
